Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers.
I have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely
find a hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

js

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"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
...
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers. I
have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting worse
with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely find a
hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started growing
our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?


I've grown Burpee "Jalapeño M" for the past two years and the peppers had
plenty of kick. What brand & variety did you grow?

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In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:

What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers.
I have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely
find a hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

js

Is there any chance that your taste has changed? I've always understood
the jalapeño to be a not-very-hot pepper. They're plenty hot enough for
me, but maybe if you're really comfortable with really hot ones, the
less-hot will taste like nothing much. I'm only thinking out loud -- no
idea otherwise.
--
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http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

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Jack Schmidling wrote:
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers.
I have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely
find a hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

js



You're pampering the plants, and picking the peppers too early.

When buying jalapeños at the grocery store, look for peppers that have
cracks in them, or are turning red. They will be the hotter ones
because they are more mature and/or grown when the plants were more
stressed.

When growing your own, leave them on the plants a while after they get
big. Wait until they have stopped growing for maybe a week (or you can
wait and pick them red)

Or the seed company may have mixed up the seeds and you really got one
of those cursed mild jalapeño varieties.

Bob

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"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
...
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers. I
have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting worse
with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely find a
hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started growing
our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

js

I feel yer pain, little brother. A farmer down here in the chile capitol
said that the chiles on the ends of the field that got less water were
hotter. And to watch your variety. hth
Edrena

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On Jul 16, 10:38?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message

...





What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers. I
have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting worse
with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely find a
hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started growing
our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

I've grown Burpee "Jalape o M" for the past two years and the peppers had
plenty of kick. What brand & variety did you grow?

I've been growing jalapenos from the same packet of Burpee seeds for
five seasons now, those suckers are too hot, stick a fork in em and
they'll melt the tines.

Hot, and big too: http://i7.tinypic.com/66kzvko.jpg

Too hot for me, I trade away most with my neighbor for his garlic and
Yukon golds.

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"Sheldon" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 16, 10:38?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message

...





What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell
peppers. I
have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse
with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely find a
hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing
our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

I've grown Burpee "Jalape o M" for the past two years and the peppers had
plenty of kick. What brand & variety did you grow?

I've been growing jalapenos from the same packet of Burpee seeds for
five seasons now, those suckers are too hot, stick a fork in em and
they'll melt the tines.

Hot, and big too: http://i7.tinypic.com/66kzvko.jpg

Too hot for me, I trade away most with my neighbor for his garlic and
Yukon golds.



It's weird - before I grew jalapeños, I'd only tasted them out of jars, or
at restaurants, maybe in salsa or cooked into other stuff. They never
impressed me as hot at all. At home, when I want heat in the recipe, I use
the cayenn peppers from the garden, fresh or dried. When I grew jalapeños, I
figured I'd be getting peppers I could stuff, cook briefly, and woof 'em
down like potato chips. Ha. Not.

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On Jul 16, 7:40?pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote in message

ps.com...





On Jul 16, 10:38?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message

...

What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell
peppers. I
have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse
with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely find a
hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing
our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

I've grown Burpee "Jalape o M" for the past two years and the peppers had
plenty of kick. What brand & variety did you grow?

I've been growing jalapenos from the same packet of Burpee seeds for
five seasons now, those suckers are too hot, stick a fork in em and
they'll melt the tines.

Hot, and big too:http://i7.tinypic.com/66kzvko.jpg

Too hot for me, I trade away most with my neighbor for his garlic and
Yukon golds.

It's weird - before I grew jalape os, I'd only tasted them out of jars, or
at restaurants, maybe in salsa or cooked into other stuff. They never
impressed me as hot at all. At home, when I want heat in the recipe, I use
the cayenn peppers from the garden, fresh or dried. When I grew jalape os, I
figured I'd be getting peppers I could stuff, cook briefly, and woof 'em
down like potato chips. Ha. Not.

Guess what, they're four times as hot when dried and crushed. The
usual pizza parlor pepper sprinkle I can literally cover the slice and
not feel it's too hot, but not with the ones I grew myself, they are
too wicked to eat.

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Melba's Jammin' wrote:

Is there any chance that your taste has changed? I've always understood
the jalapeño to be a not-very-hot pepper.

It certainly has changed but is not dead. This all started when I
learned that my blood pressure was too high. One of the home
remedies/internet factoids was that capsicum reduces blood pressure.

Up to that time, I abhorred hot food and considered it uncivilized and
fit only for howling savages.

Well, after a concerted effort to modify my palate, it now takes a
jabenero to really challenge me. However, a proper jalapeno still has
that nice warm mouth feel and is not confused with the dudds I am
referring to. They simply have no heat.

Last year we harvested from about now till frost and nothing changed.
Most of them were duds and a very few were hot. We had to add a few
jabeneros to each jar of pickled jalapenos to get a reasonably hot batch.

None of this had any effect on my blood pressure BTW but it has expanded
my horizons.

js

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"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
...
Melba's Jammin' wrote:

Is there any chance that your taste has changed? I've always understood
the jalapeño to be a not-very-hot pepper.

It certainly has changed but is not dead. This all started when I learned
that my blood pressure was too high. One of the home remedies/internet
factoids was that capsicum reduces blood pressure.

Up to that time, I abhorred hot food and considered it uncivilized and
fit only for howling savages.

Well, after a concerted effort to modify my palate, it now takes a
jabenero to really challenge me. However, a proper jalapeno still has
that nice warm mouth feel and is not confused with the dudds I am
referring to. They simply have no heat.

Last year we harvested from about now till frost and nothing changed. Most
of them were duds and a very few were hot. We had to add a few jabeneros
to each jar of pickled jalapenos to get a reasonably hot batch.

None of this had any effect on my blood pressure BTW but it has expanded
my horizons.

js


Have you noticed any other foods that don't taste the way you remember them
from the past?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Have you noticed any other foods that don't taste the way you remember them
from the past?

Of course but that is just growing up and becoming more sophisticated.

It has nothing to do with the fact that some jalapenos taste hot and
others taste like bell peppers.

The color, age and stress do not seem to have anythng to do with it.

Yesterday we picked about a pound from all over the garden, a few from
each plant. Most tasted like bell peppers and a few were hot.

js

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Same experiences here. However, this year, my home grown jalapenos have a
good kick to them. Used same seed as last 2 years. Have had alot of rain.
So, contrary to another reply, the amount of water wasn't a factor. Its
been somewhat cooler here due to the cloud cover and rain. I did add some
sandy loam and some 5-10-10 granulated fertilizer late winter to the garden.
I've always picked the jalapenos just before they start changing color.

As far as age, I've gotten more tolerant to spicey foods etc. How about
you?
Dave
"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Have you noticed any other foods that don't taste the way you remember
them from the past?

Of course but that is just growing up and becoming more sophisticated.

It has nothing to do with the fact that some jalapenos taste hot and
others taste like bell peppers.

The color, age and stress do not seem to have anythng to do with it.

Yesterday we picked about a pound from all over the garden, a few from
each plant. Most tasted like bell peppers and a few were hot.

js

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In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Have you noticed any other foods that don't taste the way you remember them
from the past?

Of course but that is just growing up and becoming more sophisticated.

It has nothing to do with the fact that some jalapenos taste hot and
others taste like bell peppers.

The color, age and stress do not seem to have anythng to do with it.

Yesterday we picked about a pound from all over the garden, a few from
each plant. Most tasted like bell peppers and a few were hot.

js

Normally, ja-lap-pin-nos are hottest as they start to change color. I've
had similar irritations with store bought. Hoping that my garden grown
ja-lap-pin-nos have some heat. I like ja-lap-pin-nos for their flavor
but I've taken to mincing up half a habanero with them to give them some
oomph.

My understanding is that taste buds do lose their sensitivity with aging
which explains why sometimes geezers some times like really funky foods.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill

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and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

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In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill

???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill

???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.

http://www.penzeys.com/ It is worth a look at the peppers just for
the heat ratings. Some are too hot hence the warning. Lost in space
is right on is it not ? Their paper catalogue is informative just in
case you have a crop failure.

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...eyspiquin.html

Bill

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This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.

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On 7/17/07 12:59 PM, in article
, "Billy
Rose" wrote:

In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill

???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Ah - the best way to see Forbidden Planet is with a bunch of science
geeks/nerds and pick the plot to pieces.

Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.
Lunch and peppers here

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In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill

???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.

http://www.penzeys.com/ It is worth a look at the peppers just for
the heat ratings. Some are too hot hence the warning. Lost in space
is right on is it not ? Their paper catalogue is informative just in
case you have a crop failure.

http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...eyspiquin.html

Bill

Now don't you go defecatin' the character of my ja-lap-pin-nos. I have
nine plants and maybe a dozen peppers about the size of my little finger
and they are next up next as soon as I finished my store bought (over
bought actually). Have to go out to the store for my "fruited chicken
over rice dish" for tonight's dinner. I'm trying to live at the maximum
now with my freedom being counted in days. Grape sampling should start
in a month and that will be the end of life as I love it. No, I don't
expect any sympathy. Working with like minded anarchists and listening
to non-corporate news and good music will get me ****ed-off enough to
tide me over my next lay-off. Anyway, think I'll swing into the nursery
and see if they don't have an unclaimed habenero. I can shoehorn it into
the garden somewhere, I think.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/17/07 12:59 PM, in article
, "Billy
Rose" wrote:

In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos
http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill
???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Ah - the best way to see Forbidden Planet is with a bunch of science
geeks/nerds and pick the plot to pieces.
Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.
Lunch and peppers here




Pick the plot to pieces? Wasn't the plot lifted right out of
Shakespeare's "The Tempest"

(or was that Christopher Marlow? :-)

Best regards,
Bob

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On 7/17/07 3:22 PM, in article , "zxcvbob"
wrote:

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
On 7/17/07 12:59 PM, in article
, "Billy
Rose" wrote:

In article
,
William Wagner wrote:

In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

jalapenos
http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

Warning Will Roberson.

Bill
???? Uh, too much breakfast this morning?

I think I'll let my ja-lap-pin-nos do their thing before I order out. I
have a couple of different ones out there. Hoping to be reduced to
cinders, don't cha know. Didn't plant any habaneros this year. Probably
a mistake. Only need one plant for blending. Hmmmm.

"Warning Will Roberson" is this a reference to "Danger Will RoberTson"
of "Lost in Space" ignominy? Always did like Robbi though and his role
in "Forbidden Planet". Movie doesn't hold up too well for me. Basically
a WWII era style buddie movie with an interesting premise.

Ah - the best way to see Forbidden Planet is with a bunch of science
geeks/nerds and pick the plot to pieces.
Time for breakfast and some hot peppers.
Lunch and peppers here




Pick the plot to pieces? Wasn't the plot lifted right out of
Shakespeare's "The Tempest"

(or was that Christopher Marlow? :-)

Best regards,
Bob
Yes, but with nerds, you get that and science (or lack there of) commentary
and that can be hysterical. (Best quantum mechanic in the galaxy)

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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:18:38 -0700, Billy Rose
wrote:

I'm trying to live at the maximum
now with my freedom being counted in days. Grape sampling should start
in a month and that will be the end of life as I love it. No, I don't
expect any sympathy. Working with like minded anarchists and listening
to non-corporate news and good music will get me ****ed-off enough to
tide me over my next lay-off. Anyway, think I'll swing into the nursery
and see if they don't have an unclaimed habenero. I can shoehorn it into
the garden somewhere, I think.

Whoa, you poor old sumbo. Back in harness.

Giddy-up, Billy.

*sniff*, gonna miss ya' old fellow.
Charlie

Gamafazzel confunderbic batterrap grrrrr
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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In article
,
Billy Rose wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:18:38 -0700, Billy Rose
wrote:

I'm trying to live at the maximum
now with my freedom being counted in days. Grape sampling should start
in a month and that will be the end of life as I love it. No, I don't
expect any sympathy. Working with like minded anarchists and listening
to non-corporate news and good music will get me ****ed-off enough to
tide me over my next lay-off. Anyway, think I'll swing into the nursery
and see if they don't have an unclaimed habenero. I can shoehorn it into
the garden somewhere, I think.

Whoa, you poor old sumbo. Back in harness.

Giddy-up, Billy.

*sniff*, gonna miss ya' old fellow.
Charlie

Gamafazzel confunderbic batterrap grrrrr

Joost pusted thees oofer in SMC

http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~jbc/home/chef.html

It turns out that in those with the genetic disposition for metabolic
syndrome that muscle insulin resistance preceeds increase in belly fat.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-msd071607.php

From your URL.

"The new findings promise to help untangle the early molecular events of
a syndrome at the root of one of the world's most significant health
issues. ³Knowing how insulin resistance alters energy storage before it
leads to more serious problems can help those susceptible prevent the
onset of the metabolic syndrome,² Shulman said.
Another key observation was that skeletal muscle insulin resistance
precedes the development of insulin resistance in liver cells, and that
fat production in the liver is increased. ³These findings also have
important implications for understanding the pathogenesis of
nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, one of the most prevalent liver
diseases in both adults and children² Shulman said.

The good news, according to Shulman, is that insulin resistance in
skeletal muscle can be countered through a simple intervention:
exercise."

...............

I'd suggest that the shift from sand lot playing to organized games
has reduced the amount of exercise significantly. Practice on yada
yada and game on Yada Yada not enough. "leave those kids alone" comes
to mind . We played every day for hours and in winter it was ice
skating and snow removal aka snow forts.
Today young folks deal with less physical work, more hours though and
sedentary entertainment. I suggest shaking your booty often is a
cheap good thing. Fun too.

Dance the night away!

Bill musing yea what about Vitamin D.

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Jack Schmidling wrote:
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?

The ones in the supermarket more often than not taste like bell peppers.
I have noticed this over the past few years and it seems to be getting
worse with time. We used to get a dudd now and then but now we rarely
find a hot one.

The solution of course, is to grow them ourselves. Well guess what?

The ones from the garden shops have the same problem so we started
growing our own from seed. Well, guess what again?

This year's jalapenos grown from seeds advertised as hot are perfectly
sweet. We sampled three different plants from different areas of the
garden and they are all the same.

Any thoughts?

js

I've said over the past few years that the jalapeños taste like
concentrated Bell peppers.

My friend agrees

I like them for substituting green peppers for taste, a little goes a
long way in cooking but
it's missing something. The jalapeño taste.

I believe it is a conspiracy.

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Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

In article ,
Nick Cramer wrote:

wrote:
Jack Schmidling wrote:
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?
[ . . . ]

Grow Serranos or Thia Piguinos. If ya want some of our Thais, eat my SPAM
to e-mail me.

But it's not just the heat. There is a freshness, greenness, a
delicateness to roasted ja-lap-pin-nos that you don't get from other
peppers. Ideally you have at least 15 seconds to appreciate them before
you realize that something is terribly wrong. They ain't hot unless they
make me hick-ups.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

Billy Rose wrote:
In article ,
Nick Cramer wrote:

wrote:
Jack Schmidling wrote:
What has happened to jalapeno peppers?
[ . . . ]
Grow Serranos or Thia Piguinos. If ya want some of our Thais, eat my SPAM
to e-mail me.

But it's not just the heat. There is a freshness, greenness, a
delicateness to roasted ja-lap-pin-nos that you don't get from other
peppers. Ideally you have at least 15 seconds to appreciate them before
you realize that something is terribly wrong. They ain't hot unless they
make me hick-ups.

what's the new hot pepper that the chinese (i think...) developed that's
suppose to be 10 times hotter than any other pepper? i keep hearing
about it, but never catch the name.

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wrote:

I've said over the past few years that the jalapeños taste like
concentrated Bell peppers.

I believe it is a conspiracy.

Thank you. I have been reading this thread (which I started) for a week
and tasting jalapenos from the garden and the supermarket.

They are everything that has been said about them.... about the nicest
pepper on earth but they are not hot anymore.

They, like everything else, have been dumbed down for the mushbrained
masses.

If I come across a hot one, I will save the seeds and try to re-culture
them.

We have been screwed again by those who "know" what we should like....
Wonder bread, Bud, chicken breast and now sweet jalapenos

js

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Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:

wrote:

I've said over the past few years that the jalapeños taste like
concentrated Bell peppers.

I believe it is a conspiracy.

Thank you. I have been reading this thread (which I started) for a week
and tasting jalapenos from the garden and the supermarket.

They are everything that has been said about them.... about the nicest
pepper on earth but they are not hot anymore.

They, like everything else, have been dumbed down for the mushbrained
masses.

If I come across a hot one, I will save the seeds and try to re-culture
them.

We have been screwed again by those who "know" what we should like....
Wonder bread, Bud, chicken breast and now sweet jalapenos

js

Is there such a thing as an heirlooom pepper seed exchange? Like for
tomatoes?
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pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:


wrote:


I've said over the past few years that the jalapeños taste like
concentrated Bell peppers.

I believe it is a conspiracy.

Thank you. I have been reading this thread (which I started) for a week
and tasting jalapenos from the garden and the supermarket.

They are everything that has been said about them.... about the nicest
pepper on earth but they are not hot anymore.

They, like everything else, have been dumbed down for the mushbrained
masses.

If I come across a hot one, I will save the seeds and try to re-culture
them.

We have been screwed again by those who "know" what we should like....
Wonder bread, Bud, chicken breast and now sweet jalapenos

js


Is there such a thing as an heirlooom pepper seed exchange? Like for
tomatoes?

Yes, several of them, Google will show the way. In addition several
seedsmen rate their jalapeno's as to heat. I don't grow jalapeno's but
the local nurseries carry both the TAMU (Texas A&M University) mild and
the hotter versions. Keep it in mind though that jalapeno's are one of
the mildest chiles out there.

George

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

In article ,
George Shirley wrote:

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:


wrote:


I've said over the past few years that the jalapeños taste like
concentrated Bell peppers.

I believe it is a conspiracy.

Thank you. I have been reading this thread (which I started) for a week
and tasting jalapenos from the garden and the supermarket.

They are everything that has been said about them.... about the nicest
pepper on earth but they are not hot anymore.

They, like everything else, have been dumbed down for the mushbrained
masses.

If I come across a hot one, I will save the seeds and try to re-culture
them.

We have been screwed again by those who "know" what we should like....
Wonder bread, Bud, chicken breast and now sweet jalapenos

js


Is there such a thing as an heirlooom pepper seed exchange? Like for
tomatoes?

Yes, several of them, Google will show the way. In addition several
seedsmen rate their jalapeno's as to heat. I don't grow jalapeno's but
the local nurseries carry both the TAMU (Texas A&M University) mild and
the hotter versions. Keep it in mind though that jalapeno's are one of
the mildest chiles out there.

George

Au contraire George,
a good ja-lap-pin-no shout hit you like a .410, Mr Cheney knows what I
mean. These pitiful pip-squeak peppers in the stores are breakin' the
hearts of Mexicans everywhere. Mine too. It has me so nervous, I haven't
had the nerve to try what's out in the garden. I've been reduced to
adding a habanero to my salsas just to get respectable heat. In the bad
old days, I'd puree me up some ja-lap-pin-nos and have myself a good
hiccuping session.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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In article . net,
"Dave" wrote:

Same experiences here. However, this year, my home grown jalapenos have a
good kick to them. Used same seed as last 2 years. Have had alot of rain.
So, contrary to another reply, the amount of water wasn't a factor. Its
been somewhat cooler here due to the cloud cover and rain. I did add some
sandy loam and some 5-10-10 granulated fertilizer late winter to the garden.
I've always picked the jalapenos just before they start changing color.

As far as age, I've gotten more tolerant to spicey foods etc. How about
you?
Dave
"Jack Schmidling" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

Have you noticed any other foods that don't taste the way you remember
them from the past?

Of course but that is just growing up and becoming more sophisticated.

It has nothing to do with the fact that some jalapenos taste hot and
others taste like bell peppers.

The color, age and stress do not seem to have anythng to do with it.

Yesterday we picked about a pound from all over the garden, a few from
each plant. Most tasted like bell peppers and a few were hot.

js

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No problem here. Nibbled the end off a 3" ja-lap-pin-no. I was struck by
the fresh green taste of it. Munched on into the seeds. Little
discomfort at first, then hiccups, runny nose, and sweaty forehead. Yep.
THEM is real ja-lap-pin-nos all right. Oh, lord it was good.

--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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In article says...
Is there such a thing as an heirlooom pepper seed exchange? Like for
tomatoes?

There are lots of places that sell seeds. I bought from this place
earlier in the year:

http://www.tomatogrowers.com/

and they were dependable and had a good selection. Hot peppers are one
of the hardest seeds to start and they take forever to get to a healthy
seedling that can be put out. The hottest pepper to grow easily are
Caribbean red habeneros. Although I did get some hot pepper seedlings
started from seed, my local nursery had lots of red hab seedlings and I
loaded up on them for the garden this year. It's a lot easier just
buying the seedling and be done with it.

Jalapenos never were hot IMHO. They're usually listed around 3000
Skoville Units whereas red and yellow habs run up to 300,000 Skoville
units. Even chili peppers for hot dogs are an order of magnitude hotter
than jalapenos. I gave up growing jalapenos years ago. Habs produce
more per plant and you can make a salsa with them that will make
everyone who eats it run to the bathroom to clear their bowels. It's
nothing but fun when habenero harvest time comes which should be in a
couple of weeks here.

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*snip*

Jalapenos never were hot IMHO. They're usually listed around 3000
Skoville Units whereas red and yellow habs run up to 300,000 Skoville
units. Even chili peppers for hot dogs are an order of magnitude hotter
than jalapenos. I gave up growing jalapenos years ago. Habs produce
more per plant and you can make a salsa with them that will make
everyone who eats it run to the bathroom to clear their bowels. It's
nothing but fun when habenero harvest time comes which should be in a
couple of weeks here.

i've never thought that they were that hot either........now my
tabasco and cayenne this year have been outstanding. brings you to
tears. ate a cayenne with lunch yesterday, it pure made the inside of
my nose burn. hot peppers are a great way to open the sinuses!

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

In article ,
Mark Anderson wrote:

In article says...
Is there such a thing as an heirlooom pepper seed exchange? Like for
tomatoes?

There are lots of places that sell seeds. I bought from this place
earlier in the year:

http://www.tomatogrowers.com/

and they were dependable and had a good selection. Hot peppers are one
of the hardest seeds to start and they take forever to get to a healthy
seedling that can be put out. The hottest pepper to grow easily are
Caribbean red habeneros. Although I did get some hot pepper seedlings
started from seed, my local nursery had lots of red hab seedlings and I
loaded up on them for the garden this year. It's a lot easier just
buying the seedling and be done with it.

Jalapenos never were hot IMHO. They're usually listed around 3000
Skoville Units whereas red and yellow habs run up to 300,000 Skoville
units. Even chili peppers for hot dogs are an order of magnitude hotter
than jalapenos. I gave up growing jalapenos years ago. Habs produce
more per plant and you can make a salsa with them that will make
everyone who eats it run to the bathroom to clear their bowels. It's
nothing but fun when habenero harvest time comes which should be in a
couple of weeks here.

I took a habanero in to work last year. One of the guys said he loved
habaneros and popped one down. Three minutes later he was in the
employee lounge barfing it up. A good habanero deserves respect. My
ja-lap-pin-nos are alive and well. Set me back on my heels this
afternoon.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

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Billy Rose wrote:

My understanding is that taste buds do lose their sensitivity with aging
which explains why sometimes geezers some times like really funky foods.

That would be easy to test. According to that hypothesis, if I find a
hot one, younger folks should find it very hot. I can't tell the
difference between my rejects and bell peppers. My wife is 12 years
younger and agrees on all of our tasting judgments heat.

js

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William Wagner wrote:


http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html

That's interesting but I have never tasted ground and dried jalapeno. I
am surprised to learn that it should be hotter than Cayenne.

However, I have also lost faith in Penseys. Their Cayenne varies all
over the map. The same type will be very mild in one order and very hot
in the next.

This can not be a function of age as we have compared two different lots
at the same time and in general terms, it takes twice as much of one to
get the same heat. Or a wet finger tip full varies from very mild to
very hot.

js

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Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:

Billy Rose wrote:

My understanding is that taste buds do lose their sensitivity with aging
which explains why sometimes geezers some times like really funky foods.

That would be easy to test. According to that hypothesis, if I find a
hot one, younger folks should find it very hot. I can't tell the
difference between my rejects and bell peppers. My wife is 12 years
younger and agrees on all of our tasting judgments heat.

js

A mild ja-lap-pin-no? That's criminal. Mine gave me hiccups, a runny
nose and, beads of sweat on my forehead, just like they are supposed to.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

Jack Schmidling wrote:
William Wagner wrote:


http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...sjalapeno.html


That's interesting but I have never tasted ground and dried jalapeno. I
am surprised to learn that it should be hotter than Cayenne.

However, I have also lost faith in Penseys. Their Cayenne varies all
over the map. The same type will be very mild in one order and very hot
in the next.

This can not be a function of age as we have compared two different lots
at the same time and in general terms, it takes twice as much of one to
get the same heat. Or a wet finger tip full varies from very mild to
very hot.

js

I don't think I would accept their assessment of dried jalapenos. I
dried them and powdered them for several years to use as an additive for
"Southwestern" bread. Never found them to be even close to as hot as
cayenne. YMMV

George

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

Billy Rose wrote:
In article ,
Jack Schmidling wrote:

Billy Rose wrote:

My understanding is that taste buds do lose their sensitivity with aging
which explains why sometimes geezers some times like really funky foods.
That would be easy to test. According to that hypothesis, if I find a
hot one, younger folks should find it very hot. I can't tell the
difference between my rejects and bell peppers. My wife is 12 years
younger and agrees on all of our tasting judgments heat.

js

A mild ja-lap-pin-no? That's criminal. Mine gave me hiccups, a runny
nose and, beads of sweat on my forehead, just like they are supposed to.

that sounds like a *nice* jalapeno.....if they done me like that, I'd
still eat them. Sorry, billy, i have to agree with Jack on this one.
Jalapeno's haven't tasted hot to me in years. i can eat them like
pickles. never a tear, never a runny nose. there ain't no fun in eating
a hot pepper that ain't *HOT*. must be something different between here
and there.

Jalapeno Conspiracy
 

Jack Schmidling wrote:
Billy Rose wrote:

My understanding is that taste buds do lose their sensitivity with
aging which explains why sometimes geezers some times like really
funky foods.

That would be easy to test. According to that hypothesis, if I find a
hot one, younger folks should find it very hot. I can't tell the
difference between my rejects and bell peppers. My wife is 12 years
younger and agrees on all of our tasting judgments heat.

js


actually, the taste buds sensitivity changes every 7 years or so, with
everyone. it's not just an old age thing. what you might like now, you
might not like in 7 years, etc.