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Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald
ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas look like wastelands. Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation, there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced Garden™ Tree and Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/ preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix & pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months. See this PDF for further info: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf -- Chris |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Many tree problems are associated with the following help trees vitality. The higer the vitality the better chances you have to healthy trees. They are Case Sensitive. Troubles in the Rhizosphere http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub1.html and Look up "Tree Planting" http://www.treedictionary.com Improper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html and http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch" Improper Pruning http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry) http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html Tree Farming and Related Problems http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "szilagyic" wrote in message oups.com... Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas look like wastelands. Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation, there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced GardenT Tree and Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/ preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix & pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months. See this PDF for further info: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf -- Chris |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Pesticides
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/spring.html -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "szilagyic" wrote in message oups.com... Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas look like wastelands. Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation, there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced GardenT Tree and Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/ preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix & pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months. See this PDF for further info: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf -- Chris |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"szilagyic" wrote in message
oups.com... Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas look like wastelands. Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation, there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced GardenT Tree and Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/ preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix & pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months. See this PDF for further info: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf -- Chris |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well.
-- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "szilagyic" wrote in message oups.com... Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas look like wastelands. Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation, there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced GardenT Tree and Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/ preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix & pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months. See this PDF for further info: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf -- Chris |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
I was thinking about a question you posed a few days ago about Micro nutrients. We used a local product called green sand and have also used granite dust. We my Dad and I think of these as long term feeding similar I guess to granulated lime. Slow on breaking down. I have not touched green sand for about 30 years. Went with cover crops and chicken waste composted rarely usually just topical and tilled in. Bill http://www.google.com/search?q=Marlton%20green%20sand -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade Balgreen Portal to the Souther Realm http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Bill, no I was talking about micro-elements. I was stating that they should
be referred to as micro-elements rather than minor elements because they are anything but minor. When one is lacking there is a problem. As far as food goes, plants (most) are autotrophs meaning that they manufacture their own food. We do not feed trees. A plant called the ghost flower has no chlorophyll so it cannot manufacture its own food. We still do not feed that plant. It gets its food from the bicarbohydrate transfer of plants. here's my thoughts on food, nutrients and essential elements. Food is a substance that provides and energy source, mostly. Nutrient is a substance that provides an energy source, elements, and other substances essential for life, in types and amounts that can provide a healthy life. Fertilizer is a substance that provides elements, as salts mostly, or in bonded forms, that require microorganisms to alter to forms that can be absorbed by plants. I do not call elements - nutrients, however nutrients would contain elements. You can put a file in a folder but you can't put a folder in a file. A list of elements can be found he http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...US211%26sa%3DX 17 Elements For Life - Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Calcium, Sulfur, Magnesium, Manganese, Iron, Copper, Boron, Molybdenum, Chlorine, Zinc, Nickel [Sodium, Cobalt, Selenium?] 14 essential elements are obtained by trees from the soil. I do not have a list of which ones they are. Wood is the substrate of the base of the food web, the mycorrhizal fungi. Mycorrhizae tend to be abundant in composted wood such as nurse logs. We had great success at tree biology workshops finding mycorrhizae during dryer times, in and about nurse logs. I believe, you don't have to agree with it, please, just think. I think that by applying mulch as I recommend under mulch here that you facilitate the mycorrhizae rather than just adding fertilizer. Not that its bad in any way, fertilizer i.e.. Over fertilizing with nitrogen is a serious problem for trees. Over nitrogen leads to sucking insects. Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html and http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch" Did I say - Mycorrhizae are organs that facilitate the absorption of elements essential for healthy growth. Mycorrhizae resist the Demons Of D. Mycorrhizae facilitate the absorption of elements. Demons of D are those things that add up to the big D word DEATH. E.g., Depletion, disruption, and dysfunction. Elements can be depleted. Disruption, you get hit my a Mac truck. Dysfunction, some organ such as mycorrhizae may not function. Major Elements C; H; N; O; P; K; S; Mg; Ni; Fe; Ca; Zn; Mo; Mn; B; Cl; Cu There is the law of the minimum. It states the element that is deficient the most, would be the determining factor in the health of the tree. I think research would be wise in the search for the optimum fertility level for trees. I did some soil testing in the upper four inches of soil and from at and about nurse logs in old growth forest which contain hemlocks and white pines. And much more. Here is my average on my testing for the latter. These where five test. 3 test sites where in Allegheny National Forest(Hearts Content) Pennsylvania and two where in Allegheny National Forest(Tionesta Scenic area) Pennsylvania. Results are in Pounds Per Acre PPA. AVAILABLE ELEMENTS P 8.2 K 236 Mg 107 Ca 594 Al 220.6 Fe 110.8 Mn 118.6 Zn 11.96 NO3-N 28.8 Did not get B or CU. Organic matter was 29.32% Ex Acidity 81 ME/100G Salts mmho: 0.01 mmho/cm Moisture %3.97 Water Soluble mg/kg B 1.0738 ACID Soluble (mg/kg) Cd 0.976 Cu 6.768 Ni 5.71 (Penn State discovered the element Ni to be essential in small amounts) Mn 426.378 Co 3.084 Zn 46.818 Pb 101.792 Cr 5.078 P 726.226 The CARBON TO NITROGEN RATION was 27:1 pH 4.2 WOW That would be a goal of mine if I was going to provide essential elements professionally. I did not see to many people in the old growth sections. There was more calcium at a nurse logs in a separate test. We don't feed trees, however, we can feed the soil with composted wood (chips and nurse logs) and leaves. We can feed the system. I have some results for some sick hemlocks (elements in soil) -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "William Wagner" wrote in message ... I was thinking about a question you posed a few days ago about Micro nutrients. We used a local product called green sand and have also used granite dust. We my Dad and I think of these as long term feeding similar I guess to granulated lime. Slow on breaking down. I have not touched green sand for about 30 years. Went with cover crops and chicken waste composted rarely usually just topical and tilled in. Bill http://www.google.com/search?q=Marlton%20green%20sand -- S Jersey USA Zone 5 Shade Balgreen Portal to the Souther Realm http://www.ocutech.com/ High tech Vison aid |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
symplastless said:
Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well. You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle. Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be needed or the American ash is history. http://www.emeraldashborer.info/ Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation): http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their ash trees: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf (As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed and be done with it.) Quote from http://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm "IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government- ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your county Extension office." -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat.
Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester. Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background. Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his posts on this forum. I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it - even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's boundaries). I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it continues that way. The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far (maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign. Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes on a feeding frenzy that is like no other. I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not be a problem for EABs. EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees. Pat Kiewicz wrote: symplastless said: Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well. You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle. Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be needed or the American ash is history. http://www.emeraldashborer.info/ Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation): http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their ash trees: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf (As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed and be done with it.) Quote from http://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm "IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government- ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your county Extension office." |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Pat
Please explain how bark forms. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Geoff-consulting forester in the US" wrote in message ... I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat. Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester. Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background. Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his posts on this forum. I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it - even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's boundaries). I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it continues that way. The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far (maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign. Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes on a feeding frenzy that is like no other. I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not be a problem for EABs. EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees. Pat Kiewicz wrote: symplastless said: Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well. You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle. Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be needed or the American ash is history. http://www.emeraldashborer.info/ Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation): http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their ash trees: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf (As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed and be done with it.) Quote from http://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm "IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government- ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your county Extension office." |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
I agree that no one should believe anything because I said it. But believe
it because they see it for themselves. About wanting to be a forester like you Does that mean I would have to convince people that logging increases forest health? Logging does anything but address issues of trees requirements and their associates. Saying that logging increases forest health is like saying that you can buy a bag of tree food off a shelf. When was the last time Pat fed a tree? Where is Pats dictionary? I did call Bayer today and they said they sell fertilizer, nitrogen and not tree food and they will look into changing labels. many docs can be found here on effects of logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Geoff-consulting forester in the US" wrote in message ... I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat. Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester. Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background. Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his posts on this forum. I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it - even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's boundaries). I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it continues that way. The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far (maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign. Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes on a feeding frenzy that is like no other. I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not be a problem for EABs. EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees. Pat Kiewicz wrote: symplastless said: Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well. You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle. Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be needed or the American ash is history. http://www.emeraldashborer.info/ Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation): http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their ash trees: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf (As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed and be done with it.) Quote from http://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm "IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government- ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your county Extension office." |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
On Aug 8, 7:48 pm, Geoff-consulting forester in the US
wrote: I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat. Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester. Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background. Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his posts on this forum. I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it - even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's boundaries). I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it continues that way. The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far (maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign. Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes on a feeding frenzy that is like no other. I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not be a problem for EABs. EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees.Pat Kiewicz wrote: symplastless said: Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well. You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle. Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be needed or the American ash is history. http://www.emeraldashborer.info/ Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation): http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their ash trees: http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf (As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed and be done with it.) Quote fromhttp://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm "IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government- ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your county Extension office." I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a pinch of salt. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Geoff-consulting forester in the US said:
I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat. Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester. Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background. Normally I do (in rec.gardens) but took a look at this thread. (And as far as the symplastless fellow goes, I have no reason myself to know exactly how bark forms, my dictionaries are on shelves downstairs, and I don't 'feed' my trees or plants. I fertilize my lawn and, as it's sometimes put, I 'feed' the soil' in my gardens with compost and organic fertilizers.) Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his posts on this forum. I'm glad someone does it. I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it - even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's boundaries). I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it continues that way. I hope that that is the case...things look rather bleak from the middle of 'ground zero.' Locally, the initial symtoms of what was called at first (if I remember correctly) 'ash decline' was noticed for several years before trees started dying in vast numbers. The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far (maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign. I actually had one (the first live beetle I'd seen) tucked under the the windshield wiper on my car. I sure hope they don't normally ride around that way. Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes on a feeding frenzy that is like no other. No doubt about that! I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not be a problem for EABs. EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees. Do you have much trouble getting property owners to eliminate host trees? And in areas the EAB has run rampant over, can they survive at a low level on the basal shoots that ash trees put out? I know that there are many skeletal ash trees (especially along freeways* and in woodlots) that are still standing and some still send up new shoots. *I suppose the excuse for this is lack of funds... -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (attributed to Don Marti) |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. I agree that no one should believe anything because I said it. But believe it because they see it for themselves. About wanting to be a forester like you Does that mean I would have to convince people that logging increases forest health? Logging does anything but address issues of trees requirements and their associates. Saying that logging increases forest health is like saying that you can buy a bag of tree food off a shelf. When was the last time Pat fed a tree? Where is Pats dictionary? I did call Bayer today and they said they sell fertilizer, nitrogen and not tree food and they will look into changing labels. many docs can be found here on effects of logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
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"Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. I agree that no one should believe anything because I said it. But believe it because they see it for themselves. About wanting to be a forester like you Does that mean I would have to convince people that logging increases forest health? Logging does anything but address issues of trees requirements and their associates. Saying that logging increases forest health is like saying that you can buy a bag of tree food off a shelf. When was the last time Pat fed a tree? Where is Pats dictionary? I did call Bayer today and they said they sell fertilizer, nitrogen and not tree food and they will look into changing labels. many docs can be found here on effects of logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"Don Staples" wrote in message Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. For those interested my dictionary is he www.treedictionary.com If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post it for review. BTW, Don Staples, what are you? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"symplastless" wrote in message . .. "Don Staples" wrote in message Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. For those interested my dictionary is he www.treedictionary.com If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post it for review. BTW, Don Staples, what are you? Your worse nightmare, someone actually trained in biology. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"Treelady" wrote in message oups.com... I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a pinch of salt. The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even a member of any national society of arborists. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
On Aug 10, 5:01 am, "D. Staples" wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message . .. "Don Staples" wrote in message Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. For those interested my dictionary is he www.treedictionary.com If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post it for review. BTW, Don Staples, what are you? Your worse nightmare, someone actually trained in biology. Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology. LOL, people are so fiesty on these groups! |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
On Aug 10, 5:10 am, "D. Staples" wrote:
"Treelady" wrote in message oups.com... I find Symplastless to have a good understanding oftrees, theier biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about treeswithout due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a pinch of salt. The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even a member of any national society of arborists. Not sure if I missed that point, thank you though. I have no idea of Symplastless's route of education, nevertheless, if he is passing along information tried and tested by Shigo and his cronies, well, no point in dismissing it point in hand. People were not always receptive to Shigo when he began spreading his findings, in fact, I recently read an article where the writer claims that a man invited Shigo outside to pyhsically settle the issue of flush cuts versus branch (bark) collar cuts. In the Uk to become a menber of of the Arboricultural Society is not a matter of simply signing up. Belonging to a prestigious group can, sometimes, mean little more than one is a member of a prestigious group. Consulting a tree surgeon on a local council's recommendation list does not guarantee quality, knowledge or good practice. I have seen work carried out by such contractors, much of it is appalling. The vicinity in which I live, and work, has many a treeman (mainly all men, in fact I have never seen a woman working with trees around here) who knows nothing about tree biology, little about the mechanics of trees. I have seen all manner of short term thinking in terms of tree care; Situations where a tree surgeon carries out pruning work that lessens the lifespan of trees, unnecessary felling, ruthless pruning etc. I receive phone calls from men looking for jobs who are barely able to identify trees yet alone understand the nature of trees. That Keslick makes an effort speaks well for him, in my book. Many of the men with which I have worked study day release, or simply got their tickets through two-three day courses. Self education has its place. To gain a thorough education in tree work via studying at a national institute is costly and time consuming- many a person, alas, has to work in order to live, and their families cannot afford to support them during three plus years of study. For people to spread the word about good tree care is important for everyone in the industry, from self learners to university educated people. To me the difference between an arboriculturalist and a tree surgeon is education. People have interfered with trees much longer than people have officially, for want of a better word, studied trees. I have seen tree work in the USA and the UK, and both countries have a long way to go before finding a harmony between people and trees. People have all manner of ideas about trees, and not all are interested in trees beyond their intentions, which only feeds into shoddy workmanship. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have to get a state license after taking a test. I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick trees. Joe "D. Staples" wrote in message ... "Treelady" wrote in message oups.com... I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a pinch of salt. The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even a member of any national society of arborists. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"Joe" wrote:
I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick trees. If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees? |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Most people have some illnesses, right? Same with trees.
"M. Fricker" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote: I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick trees. If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees? |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"Joe" wrote in message news:1mXui.2515$mw4.566@trndny09...
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have to get a state license after taking a test. I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick trees. Joe "D. Staples" wrote in message ... "Treelady" wrote in message oups.com... I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a pinch of salt. The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even a member of any national society of arborists. Read his résumé. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Don Staples
Again I ask the question. What are you? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
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"symplastless" wrote: Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let this sponge waste your time. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
A healthy tree can have a thousand infections. As long as they are properly
compartmentalized the tree will do well. I school could be teaching the right way to prune a tree but their trees could have been flush cut and painted years ago. Its going to take some time to get out of the flush cut wound dressing era. Just as thought as to why trees might not be doing well and the school is teaching correctly. Also when we studied tree biology and ASU the people who cared for trees on campus seldom attended the workshops. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Joe" wrote in message news:Ji1vi.9$hK5.3@trndny02... Most people have some illnesses, right? Same with trees. "M. Fricker" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote: I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick trees. If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees? |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"Billy Rose" wrote in message
... In article , "symplastless" wrote: Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let this sponge waste your time. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ Ah, another mouth breathing cross posting jerk. So glad you joined us. |
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"symplastless" wrote in message
. .. Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do you hold, tree biologist? Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
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"Don Staples" wrote: "Billy Rose" wrote in message ... In article , "symplastless" wrote: Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let this sponge waste your time. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ Ah, another mouth breathing cross posting jerk. So glad you joined us. My degree is a BS in Chemistry, a credential in Physical Science, and a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I showed you mine. John showed you his. Whachew got stubby? Just a big moronic mouth. No substantiated facts, no logic to support your premise, just a boring noise. Go back to your pre-cambrian friends. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
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, Billy Rose wrote: Stubby, where are you Stubby? You vacuous heap of cow droppings. Don't be timid now. Stubbeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Where you hidin' boy? -- Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Don Staples
What are you? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do you hold, tree biologist? Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
I define a group of words undefined as noise. Define yourself Don Staples.
What are you? -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do you hold, tree biologist? Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a
forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/ And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will do the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a unique machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken trees into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of this unique design. http://home.ccil.org/~logbuyer/ We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service. I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in the edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops. Where is your resume Don Staples? We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in on and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html This is the type of forestry I do. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/temp4/ Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up. And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a forest in my dictionary. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/F/index.html I listed what I mean when I say tree biology he http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html I do not like noise. - - Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "Don Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Don Staples Again I ask the question. What are you? I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do you hold, tree biologist? Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"symplastless" wrote in message . .. Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied biology? Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? Never trust a so called tree biologist that never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
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"D. Staples" wrote: Stubby, aka D. Staples, your back. The timid one in the flush. The stench precedes you, phallationist. Hope your fragile ego is ready for the big question. What is your authority and what is the basis for your criticism? All us "mouth breathers really want to know. Do you even know the difference between the xylem and the phloem, phallationist? Where to start with a spineless anencephalic such as your self. What a coward you are stubby. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
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"D. Staples" wrote: Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? He has offered advice to posters in this news group stubby. Do you propose to take his place? Could you take his place? What would give us confidence that you could? What gives your criticism validity in a medium where any phallionist can claim anything? Until you can answer that, go intercourse yourself, anal sphincter. -- FB - FFF Billy http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
"D. Staples" wrote in What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied biology? First, I am proof that you do not have to belong to a society to understand trees. Nor if you do belong, does it mandate, that you have an understanding of trees. Second, I studied tree biology under a professor of tree biology. Who wrote the book NEW TREE BIOLOGY Now back to my question. Don Staples please define yourself. Who are you, what are you? I can only assume, and I don't like to do that. Who are you. Other than what Billy has pointed out, please define yourself. If you can't you may have a serious problem. -- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
This is your explanation of what logging is. Your wasting our time.
-- Sincerely, John A. Keslick, Jr. Consulting Arborist http://home.ccil.org/~treeman and www.treedictionary.com Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology. Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us that we are not the boss. "D. Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied biology? Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? Never trust a so called tree biologist that never studied biology. |
Effective method to prevent emerald ash borer
I am Toni Gee a close associate of Dr. Shigo. I know John very well. He as
well as I are too busy out in the field studying and observing trees and their associates. You seem to have one mission and that is to waste our time. We are serious about what we do. You prove to me that you belong to an association and know nothing about trees. Please don't waste our time any more. "D. Staples" wrote in message ... "symplastless" wrote in message . .. Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able to read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where data you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots. Education without training makes? I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I define logging. What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA? What gives you the ability to call your self a tree biologist when you have never studied biology? Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you done? Never trust a so called tree biologist that never studied biology. |
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