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"cat daddy" expounded:

Yeah, Bush don't shop. A gallon of milk's up about a $1.50 over the

last
month here, which makes it about 1.5 times more expensive than gasoline.


Sorry for the side-track, but you've struck something that's been
bugging me. Could you please explain why Oakhurst Dairy milk is a
full dollar higher in Mass than it is in NH? No one else has an
explanation, other than that we're supposedly flush with money down
here in MA and they're poorer in NH. I guess eye roll


I should have stopped reading after I sent the first reply.

"Study of Milk Market Channel Pricing and Related Documents"

"Toward Reform of Fluid Milk Pricing in Southern New England: Analysis of
Proposed State Level Milk Regulation Policies in CT and MA"
http://www.fmpc.uconn.edu/research/milk/
[View the Action Summary Sheet for Massachusetts pdf]

"The report that this sheet summarizes analyzes a proposed fee that will
be collected on fluid milk sold by retailers and the proposed subsidy
program that will establish a green price for dairy farmers."


Northeast Interstate Dairy Compact,
http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statute...-24/2-24-1.HTM

N. H. Milk Producers Emergency Relief Fund
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...07/sb0235.html


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"Dave" wrote:

"cat daddy" wrote in message
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Let 'em eat powdered cellulose...

Prices for key foods are rising sharply
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/18902.html

"Meeting with economic writers last week, President Bush dismissed
several polls that show Americans are down on the economy. He expressed
surprise that inflation is one of the stated concerns.

"They cite inflation?" Bush asked, adding that, "I happen to believe the
war
has clouded a lot of people's sense of optimism."

But the inflation numbers reveal the extent to which lower- and
middle-income Americans are being pinched.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said in its June inflation report that egg
prices are 19.5 percent higher than they were in June 2006. Over the same
period, according to the department's consumer price index, whole milk was
up 13.3 percent; fresh chicken 10 percent; navel oranges 19.8 percent;
apples 11.7 percent. Dried beans were up 11.5 percent, and white bread
just
missed double-digit growth, rising by 9.6 percent.

These numbers get lost in the broader inflation rate for all goods and
services, which measured 2.7 for the same 12-month period. Across the
economy, rising food prices were offset by falling prices for things
bought
at the mall: computers, cameras, clothing and shoes."


I am not sure the inflation was "offset" by falling prices on other
items. I believe the GOV just simply did not include food and fuel for
the inflation mix. They "the GOV" likes the numbers to just look good.

Just for the same reason the GOV no longer uses the term GNP. The GOV
now uses the term GDP. GDP numbers just looks so much better than GNP.
Gross National Product was for U.S. companies only. Gross Domestic
Product is for American and Foreign companies in the U.S..

Unemployment rate use to be the number of people that were unemployed
and looking for a job. Now they use telephone surveys for those looking
for a job and those receiving unemployment benefits. The latter numbers
look so much better than the first. Also minus the farm job employment.

I for one no longer trust any number that comes from the GOV.

I just use simple definition from my Cynic's Dictionary:
A Recession is when your neighbor is unemployed.
A Depression is when you are unemployed.

Enjoy Life ..... Dan

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"Dave" wrote in message
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"cat daddy" wrote in message
...
Let 'em eat powdered cellulose...

Prices for key foods are rising sharply
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/18902.html

"Meeting with economic writers last week, President Bush dismissed
several polls that show Americans are down on the economy. He expressed
surprise that inflation is one of the stated concerns.

"They cite inflation?" Bush asked, adding that, "I happen to believe the
war
has clouded a lot of people's sense of optimism."

But the inflation numbers reveal the extent to which lower- and
middle-income Americans are being pinched.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said in its June inflation report that egg
prices are 19.5 percent higher than they were in June 2006. Over the same
period, according to the department's consumer price index, whole milk
was
up 13.3 percent; fresh chicken 10 percent; navel oranges 19.8 percent;
apples 11.7 percent. Dried beans were up 11.5 percent, and white bread
just
missed double-digit growth, rising by 9.6 percent.

These numbers get lost in the broader inflation rate for all goods and
services, which measured 2.7 for the same 12-month period. Across the
economy, rising food prices were offset by falling prices for things
bought
at the mall: computers, cameras, clothing and shoes."

Anyone got a recipe for boiled shoe soup?



Way I look at it there's many things going on that are causing rapid price
increases of staple foods.
1. Ethanol production raising the price of corn.
2. Increased gasoline prices, where transportation costs were delayed in
many cases till as of late.
3. Labor involved may have involved minimum wage laborers, this price
offset was delayed slightly until as of late. The minimum wage went up.
This may occur anywhere in the food production, transportation, storage,
and retail levels.
4. Hidden in the price costs, were injected increased prices that may
equal the same or more profit percentile level as before all this.

Yep, Bush is in denial. Again...
Dave



Addendum to 3: Some businesses have wage scale based on worker length of
service. This scale may be adjusted to allow an equal increment of pay due
to the higher minimum wage. Minimum wage would probably be beginning pay on
that scale. In this scenario, everyone get's a pay raise.

Some businesses may be having trouble maintaining that scale. The people
toward the bottom of the scale, but not a beginning position, may be
receiving the same pay as the beginner counterparts in years to come.
There's 2 more minimum wage increases to come yet. In effect, the
personnel in the crunch for his junior's pay raise. This is where it get's
interesting. But, not really a surprise. Happened the long ago previous
minimum wage law change.
Dave


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"Dave" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
"cat daddy" wrote in message
...
Let 'em eat powdered cellulose...

Prices for key foods are rising sharply
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/18902.html

"Meeting with economic writers last week, President Bush dismissed
several polls that show Americans are down on the economy. He expressed
surprise that inflation is one of the stated concerns.

"They cite inflation?" Bush asked, adding that, "I happen to believe

the
war
has clouded a lot of people's sense of optimism."


Way I look at it there's many things going on that are causing rapid

price
increases of staple foods.
1. Ethanol production raising the price of corn.
2. Increased gasoline prices, where transportation costs were delayed

in
many cases till as of late.
3. Labor involved may have involved minimum wage laborers, this price
offset was delayed slightly until as of late. The minimum wage went up.
This may occur anywhere in the food production, transportation, storage,
and retail levels.
4. Hidden in the price costs, were injected increased prices that may
equal the same or more profit percentile level as before all this.

Yep, Bush is in denial. Again...
Dave



Addendum to 3: Some businesses have wage scale based on worker length of
service. This scale may be adjusted to allow an equal increment of pay

due
to the higher minimum wage. Minimum wage would probably be beginning pay

on
that scale. In this scenario, everyone get's a pay raise.

Some businesses may be having trouble maintaining that scale. The people
toward the bottom of the scale, but not a beginning position, may be
receiving the same pay as the beginner counterparts in years to come.
There's 2 more minimum wage increases to come yet. In effect, the
personnel in the crunch for his junior's pay raise. This is where it

get's
interesting. But, not really a surprise. Happened the long ago previous
minimum wage law change.


Yeah, minimum wage is killing the record oil company profits resulting in
increased transportation costs. Likewise, ADM can barely get by with it's
own record annual results and 303rd consecutive cash dividends to its
investors.

Monsanto? "Monsanto reported record net sales of $2.8 billion for the
third quarter of fiscal year 2007, which were 23 percent higher than sales
in the same period in fiscal year 2006."

Yep, minimum wage must be killing them and dragging down the economy.

Monsanto homepage
http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto/layout/default.asp
" A food staple for much of the world, the biggest use of corn in the US
is to feed livestock."

"They hate our freedoms." - G. W. Bush


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