"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"paghat" wrote in message
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In article , "Don Staples"
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And anyway, have a wee bit of compassion. Imagine how sorry-ass a life
has
to be to adhere year in, year out, to the "big fantasy" of being expert
in
trees, of wanting to tell everyone you're some sort of great wizard at
something without the wherewithal to actually get the education. If
you're
a man of faith the poor phk should be in your prayers.


I am a man of faith, but I abhor false prophets of any nature.

So now you are a prophet?
What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a
forester? That would be a start.

original message:
Val, with respect,

What's important is that tree biology is considered when making decisions on
forest health. Trees have many associates that greatly depend on healthy
systems for survival. History shows that in St. Louis - USA, the
Mississippi Valley Laboratory was established in 1899. The director at that
time was Dr. Herman von Schrenk. Studies on wood decay and discoloration
(woundwood) were done mostly. In time, the studies drifted toward wood
products. In 1907 the lab was discontinued and the Forest Products
Laboratory at Madison, Wisconsin took over. The major focus of the lab was
on wood products decay - "Tree biology never had a chance". Too often
decisions are based on board foot rather than management based on an
understanding of the ecological stages of trees and their associates. Too
often over looking trees and associates requirements. Sure you can claim I
am not a forester, but first define what you mean when "you" say "forester".
I have in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._forester.html
I do not claim to be anything else. When commercial interest dictates the
method and treatments of National Forest, associates too often suffer. I
see it in urban wood management. The biggest problem, some say, is getting
the wood out fast enough and without criticism. Is that what you mean when
"you" say "forester"?
Surely I have much more to learn then I have learned regarding the
ecological stages of trees and their associates and the relationship between
the two. A once fertile forest does more than just function as a supply of
wood for humans. Surely man would benefit by legalizing commercial hemp and
the products it can produce. It is said that George Washington's first flag
was made of hemp. The Constitution was written on hemp. Sure I am a
consumer. Toilet paper is a requirement to me. We need to separate the
forest from the tree farms. Tree farmers need help and also would benefit
by an understanding of tree biology in managing their non-renewable natural
resource. A good understanding of cellulose and the role it plays on
healthy soils "should" be of interest to tree farmers. Its sad when it is
not. Just my crazy thoughts. Surely no one on this list endorses me or my
thoughts. But they are mine and not theirs. That's what makes me unique.
Imagine a world where all pathogens went away! Ignorance of tree biology
still remains a serious problem for trees and their associates worldwide.
We are an associate, friend or foe.
I repeat, by your definition I am not a forester. Please define what one is
in your words. And I religiously say " don't believe anything because I
said it" "believe it because you see it for yourself". When payment for
making a tree safe, in a once fertile forest, is the harvest of the wood,
its a bad situation. Rather than making a snag which could be safe for many
years, housing many flying squirrels - they are displaced by removing the
wood. The professional who would make the snag should be well paid for that
skill and risk as well as the ground person or persons. Thus not having to
rely on the wood for payment. It
hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again, just my crazy
thoughts!
An interesting book, if you have not read it, is A NEW TREE BIOLOGY. It
comes with its own dictionary. It should be at your local library. The
book is listed at www.shigoandtrees.com. Too many people want to be made
robots. Training without education makes robots. Education without
training makes waste. Waste is an human term for inefficient management of
substance or thing. A forest knows no waste. Enough of my thoughts, what
are yours?
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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So now you are a prophet?
What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a
forester? That would be a start.

A forester is what you are not. Some one with education. Some one with
experience. Some one that doesn't write definitions to suit himself, or
include himself into profession, as do you, that he is not qualified to
address, much less claim membership.

In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand for
the good Dr. Shigo.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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So now you are a prophet?
What do you claim is required to be a forester Don? How do you define a
forester? That would be a start.

A forester is what you are not.
Hum, so you say.

Some one with education.

What type of education?


Some one with experience.

Experience at what?

Some one that doesn't write definitions to suit himself,

Oh, so a person should not define his or her terms?

or
include himself into profession, as do you, that he is not qualified to
address,

besides cutting the wood out of a forest, what qualifications do you have?

much less claim membership.

Are you saying if a person joins or becomes a member of a certain group that
it makes the person a forester?


In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand for
the good Dr. Shigo.

If Dr. Alex L. Shigo taught me one thing it would have to be to define my
terms and expect the same from you!!!!!!!!!


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
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In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand for
the good Dr. Shigo.

If Dr. Alex L. Shigo taught me one thing it would have to be to define my
terms and expect the same from you!!!!!!!!!


Forestry, and forester, have been defined in the US for over 100 years, my
definition is that definition, not what you dream up in your nonsense
dictionary. You lack the integrity, knowledge, and background for any of
your claimed avocations.

"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
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In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand
for the good Dr. Shigo.

If Dr. Alex L. Shigo taught me one thing it would have to be to define my
terms and expect the same from you!!!!!!!!!


Forestry, and forester, have been defined in the US for over 100 years, my
definition is that definition, not what you dream up in your nonsense
dictionary. You lack the integrity, knowledge, and background for any of
your claimed avocations.


What is that definition? You are sick. To say a great deal but really say
nothing.

Like I said you and the US FOREST SERVICE define a forest as a single stand
or group of trees under one or more ownerships. That means you can plant a
forest? That makes no sense and either do you. Please go back where ever
you came from and stop wasting my time - Mr. Noise.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
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In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand
for the good Dr. Shigo.

If Dr. Alex L. Shigo taught me one thing it would have to be to define
my terms and expect the same from you!!!!!!!!!


Forestry, and forester, have been defined in the US for over 100 years,
my definition is that definition, not what you dream up in your nonsense
dictionary. You lack the integrity, knowledge, and background for any
of your claimed avocations.


What is that definition? You are sick. To say a great deal but really
say nothing.

Like I said you and the US FOREST SERVICE define a forest as a single
stand or group of trees under one or more ownerships. That means you can
plant a forest? That makes no sense and either do you. Please go back
where ever you came from and stop wasting my time - Mr. Noise.


Did a tree fall on you when you were Dr. Shigo's saw hand?

"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
In short, not you.

You should have picked up a little integrity when you were a saw hand
for the good Dr. Shigo.

If Dr. Alex L. Shigo taught me one thing it would have to be to define
my terms and expect the same from you!!!!!!!!!


Forestry, and forester, have been defined in the US for over 100 years,
my definition is that definition, not what you dream up in your nonsense
dictionary. You lack the integrity, knowledge, and background for any
of your claimed avocations.


What is that definition? You are sick. To say a great deal but really
say nothing.

Like I said you and the US FOREST SERVICE define a forest as a single
stand or group of trees under one or more ownerships. That means you can
plant a forest? That makes no sense and either do you. Please go back
where ever you came from and stop wasting my time - Mr. Noise.


Did a tree fall on you when you were Dr. Shigo's saw hand?

No but when one did a plane went down immediately. Again, you write these
things and the words are empty. I get a better response from a brick wall.
With or without mortor.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.