In article ,
wrote:

I am in Milwaukee, next to the lake and zone 5ish. It is a Milwaukee
"thing" to
have raspberries in the back yard. I have a great spot at our rental. Lots
of sun.
great drainage. I just dont know what variety to order. I want something
trouble
free, disease resistant and that doesnt bear all summer, rather give a nice
few bowls
at one time.

I was supposed to get plants from the woman next door but they moved and the
new
people said they would but ended up chopping the plants out. nobody knows
what kind
they were, of course. Ingrid

We enjoyed heritage for many years.

http://www.raspberries.us/varieties.htm

Major mistake for us was trying a black raspberry because it rooted
whenever a branch touched the soil and had small fruits. Name skips me.

Currently not growing any.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

I am in Milwaukee, next to the lake and zone 5ish. It is a Milwaukee "thing" to
have raspberries in the back yard. I have a great spot at our rental. Lots of sun.
great drainage. I just dont know what variety to order. I want something trouble
free, disease resistant and that doesnt bear all summer, rather give a nice few bowls
at one time.

I was supposed to get plants from the woman next door but they moved and the new
people said they would but ended up chopping the plants out. nobody knows what kind
they were, of course. Ingrid

wrote in message
. com...
I am in Milwaukee, next to the lake and zone 5ish. It is a Milwaukee
"thing" to
have raspberries in the back yard. I have a great spot at our rental.
Lots of sun.
great drainage. I just dont know what variety to order. I want something
trouble
free, disease resistant and that doesnt bear all summer, rather give a
nice few bowls
at one time.

I was supposed to get plants from the woman next door but they moved and
the new
people said they would but ended up chopping the plants out. nobody knows
what kind
they were, of course. Ingrid


I would strongly suggest that you get to your library and read about the
pruning raspberries need in order to:

- Produce well
- Not become a tangled mess that'll require a bulldozer to deal with

I mention this because you said "trouble free". They're a great thing to
have, but they do require attention. Anyone who tries to summarize it for
you in a newsgroup is doing you a disservice, and you will be surprised at
some point in the future.

wrote in message
. com...
Why in the world would I go to a library to read about gardening when I
have the
internet?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Hopefully, you don't study American history on the internet. Can't be done,
and you can end up voting "funny".



trouble free I mean pests. I really, really dont like to spray with
anything except dormant oil. I would love some of the low thorn variety
but I am
sure I would have to give up size of crop or disease resistance. many of
those new
cultivars are very very finicky. Ingrid

My mother in law had a huge patch of raspberries that never had problems
with bugs, and she sprayed nothing on them at all in the 30 years she grew
them.








On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:04:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
I would strongly suggest that you get to your library and read about the
pruning raspberries need in order to:

- Produce well
- Not become a tangled mess that'll require a bulldozer to deal with

I mention this because you said "trouble free". They're a great thing to
have, but they do require attention. Anyone who tries to summarize it for
you in a newsgroup is doing you a disservice, and you will be surprised at
some point in the future.

Why in the world would I go to a library to read about gardening when I have the
internet? trouble free I mean pests. I really, really dont like to spray with
anything except dormant oil. I would love some of the low thorn variety but I am
sure I would have to give up size of crop or disease resistance. many of those new
cultivars are very very finicky. Ingrid

On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:04:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
I would strongly suggest that you get to your library and read about the
pruning raspberries need in order to:

- Produce well
- Not become a tangled mess that'll require a bulldozer to deal with

I mention this because you said "trouble free". They're a great thing to
have, but they do require attention. Anyone who tries to summarize it for
you in a newsgroup is doing you a disservice, and you will be surprised at
some point in the future.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
.com...
Why in the world would I go to a library to read about gardening when I
have the
internet?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Hopefully, you don't study American history on the internet. Can't be done,
and you can end up voting "funny".



trouble free I mean pests. I really, really dont like to spray with
anything except dormant oil. I would love some of the low thorn variety
but I am
sure I would have to give up size of crop or disease resistance. many of
those new
cultivars are very very finicky. Ingrid

My mother in law had a huge patch of raspberries that never had problems
with bugs, and she sprayed nothing on them at all in the 30 years she grew
them.

I have grown red and black raspberries (several cultivars of each) for
a dozen years now. I have had a little problem with cane borers but
enough to cause me to take any action.

The only serious problem has been Japanese Beetles eating the berries.
Yes, that is right, they eat the berries. I kept a coffee can with
some old motor oil in it near the raspberry patch and would drop JB
into it every time I saw one, or a hundred.

Ever since I inoculated my entire spread with Milky Spore - about 6
years ago - the JB problem has been reduced to nuisance, if that.

John

"John Bachman" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
e.com...
Why in the world would I go to a library to read about gardening when I
have the
internet?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Hopefully, you don't study American history on the internet. Can't be
done,
and you can end up voting "funny".



trouble free I mean pests. I really, really dont like to spray with
anything except dormant oil. I would love some of the low thorn
variety
but I am
sure I would have to give up size of crop or disease resistance. many
of
those new
cultivars are very very finicky. Ingrid

My mother in law had a huge patch of raspberries that never had problems
with bugs, and she sprayed nothing on them at all in the 30 years she grew
them.

I have grown red and black raspberries (several cultivars of each) for
a dozen years now. I have had a little problem with cane borers but
enough to cause me to take any action.

The only serious problem has been Japanese Beetles eating the berries.
Yes, that is right, they eat the berries. I kept a coffee can with
some old motor oil in it near the raspberry patch and would drop JB
into it every time I saw one, or a hundred.

Ever since I inoculated my entire spread with Milky Spore - about 6
years ago - the JB problem has been reduced to nuisance, if that.

John

I think my mother in law's success was due to the bushes being such a
tangled mess that even the bugs were afraid to go near them.

wrote in message
. com...
I remember the white male landowner drivel served up to me in school. I
much prefer
finding historical information on the internet that provides OTHER points
of view.
Much of the "good stuff" will never be found in a book, on TV or in
newspapers.


Why never in a book? Is all knowledge before the internet null and void?

I remember the white male landowner drivel served up to me in school. I much prefer
finding historical information on the internet that provides OTHER points of view.
Much of the "good stuff" will never be found in a book, on TV or in newspapers.

"Bugs" are just one of the pests. there are fungi, viruses and bacteria that are
much more difficult to treat than "bugs". resistance to them is more important.
Ingrid

On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

wrote in message
.com...
Why in the world would I go to a library to read about gardening when I
have the
internet?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Hopefully, you don't study American history on the internet. Can't be done,
and you can end up voting "funny".



trouble free I mean pests. I really, really dont like to spray with
anything except dormant oil. I would love some of the low thorn variety
but I am
sure I would have to give up size of crop or disease resistance. many of
those new
cultivars are very very finicky. Ingrid

My mother in law had a huge patch of raspberries that never had problems
with bugs, and she sprayed nothing on them at all in the 30 years she grew
them.








On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:04:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
I would strongly suggest that you get to your library and read about the
pruning raspberries need in order to:

- Produce well
- Not become a tangled mess that'll require a bulldozer to deal with

I mention this because you said "trouble free". They're a great thing to
have, but they do require attention. Anyone who tries to summarize it for
you in a newsgroup is doing you a disservice, and you will be surprised at
some point in the future.

In article ,
wrote:

I remember the white male landowner drivel served up to me in school. I much
prefer
finding historical information on the internet that provides OTHER points of
view.
Much of the "good stuff" will never be found in a book, on TV or in
newspapers.

Since you didn't attribute what you were referring to with "white male
landowner", it makes it difficult to respond to.

Otherwise, when reading history, it is nice to know if you are dealing
with someone who is a proponent or someone who is maintaining academic
neutrality.

Good luck finding Howard Zinn to read on the web.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message
. com...
I remember the white male landowner drivel served up to me in
school. I much prefer
finding historical information on the internet that provides OTHER
points of view.
Much of the "good stuff" will never be found in a book, on TV or in
newspapers.


Why never in a book? Is all knowledge before the internet null and
void?

No, it's because the inane rambling of the Netloons is unpublishable.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

our founding "fathers". In general books are published by publishing houses that are
typically reflect the establishment view of everything. For something other than an
historical example, lets take "the care of goldfish". All the books out there
essentially say the same thing, much of it totally wrong. most of the authors simply
compile the prevailing "opinion" by reading what went before, rearrange it a bit and
republish.. mostly to make money.

I want a different point of view. Ingrid

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:28:06 -0700, Billy wrote:
Since you didn't attribute what you were referring to with "white male
landowner", it makes it difficult to respond to.

In article ,
wrote:

our founding "fathers". In general books are published by publishing houses
that are
typically reflect the establishment view of everything. For something other
than an
historical example, lets take "the care of goldfish". All the books out
there
essentially say the same thing, much of it totally wrong. most of the
authors simply
compile the prevailing "opinion" by reading what went before, rearrange it a
bit and
republish.. mostly to make money.

I want a different point of view. Ingrid

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:28:06 -0700, Billy wrote:
Since you didn't attribute what you were referring to with "white male
landowner", it makes it difficult to respond to.

Well, fortunately there is a lot of Noam Chomsky on the net, but if you
want someone of Michael Pollan's, Jerod Diamond's, or Howard Zinn's
stature, you'll need to go to the library, otherwise, you may end up
reading somebody like Joseph Farah,
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103 , for your
different point of view.
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Well, fortunately there is a lot of Noam Chomsky on the net, but if you
want someone of Michael Pollan's, Jerod Diamond's, or Howard Zinn's
stature, you'll need to go to the library, otherwise, you may end up
reading somebody like Joseph Farah,
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103 , for your
different point of view.

I've got Zinn on order thanks to you. One think I really like about
Pollan is his writing is very accessible for lack of a better expression.
I've known what he writes about but he turned the info into an image.
For contrast I'm trying to read "The rest is noise" . On a good day
maybe six pages. Not that it is complex but that is what it is to me.
I think previous experience enables comprehension and a lack of it
entails more effort.

Subtitled "Listening to the twentieth century "by Alex Ross.

Bill who may be joining Lang Lang

Lang Lang Gone Mad video below )

http://youtube.com/watch?v=b85hn8rJvgw

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Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA