In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan

Also beware of mosquitos.
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan

Also beware of mosquitos.

That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've
used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!

Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the
driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.

Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan

Also beware of mosquitos.

That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Jan Flora wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Laura at theGardenPages wrote:

I know, I hate to see all that water to down the drain too! I've
used
my laundry water for the lawn and shrubs with no problem. I haven't
tried it on veggies.

If you use boi-degradeable SOAP not detergent you can use the wash
water. The rinse water is fine by you have to be careful about that
fabric softener.

Plus, deep watering is better for shrubs than a sprinkling anyway.
Good for you!
Perfect storm indeed. We had good rain Nov. to March and then the
driest
March-April ever. We are looking at sever water rationing at the same
time the price of food is skyrocketing. I think I need a water tank.
Get some food-grade poly drums and set them up to catch the rainwater
from the downspouts on your house. If you want to spend a lot of money,
you can buy rain barrels that have hose bibs already installed in them.
I think Gardener's Supply sells them.

A caveat: you may want to put a piece of plywood or something over the
top of the barrels, to keep debris out. At the very least, put a little
piece of wood -- a stick or something -- in there, so little birds won't
drown. If they get in there, they can climb onto the stick, dry out and
fly away.

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!

Any recipes for crappie minnows?;-))
--

Billy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0s...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!

Any recipes for crappie minnows?;-))

Just eat 'em whole! Sushi.

g
--
--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!

Trout are also a good alternative, but it rooly depends on the size of
the tank.
Mossies are not really problem. Just put in some fly screens mesh (in
the tank stoopid) not in the windows.
Really some people have no imagination, and neither have they got a
sense of humus...er humour? you git my vote omelet. Bacon with that?

Indeed... Gotta fry the fish in bacon grease. ;-d

A little veggie or mineral oil on top of the water kills skeeter larvae
too.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--

Oh dear me......carp is our absolutlyist favoritist fish for plate!!

Bony yes, *but* skinned and properly scored and lightly dusted and
scores lightly packed with flour/cornmeal and deep fried.....oh my.

The scoring of the flesh is *the* key to proper carp. Scoring, for
those who aren't familiar, is running your *very* sharp knife from
backbone down perpendiculary to the bellyside, cutting thru all the
tiny bones, but not the ribs, or cutting clear thru the fish. From
head to tail. You score as closely as possible, no more than 1/8 in
apart. You can feel all the little hairbones being cut. Deep frying
then reduces the tiny bones to nothing, though one still must exercise
the usual caution when eating fish.

Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Once again my dad would have me out on the swamp ice. Break a hole and
shoot carp that came for air. 1955

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Bill wrote:

Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Once again my dad would have me out on the swamp ice. Break a hole and
shoot carp that came for air. 1955

Bill

Sounds like fun. Did you use a .22?
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--

Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

Bill wrote:
In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.
That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.
But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--
Oh dear me......carp is our absolutlyist favoritist fish for plate!!

Bony yes, *but* skinned and properly scored and lightly dusted and
scores lightly packed with flour/cornmeal and deep fried.....oh my.

The scoring of the flesh is *the* key to proper carp. Scoring, for
those who aren't familiar, is running your *very* sharp knife from
backbone down perpendiculary to the bellyside, cutting thru all the
tiny bones, but not the ribs, or cutting clear thru the fish. From
head to tail. You score as closely as possible, no more than 1/8 in
apart. You can feel all the little hairbones being cut. Deep frying
then reduces the tiny bones to nothing, though one still must exercise
the usual caution when eating fish.

Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Once again my dad would have me out on the swamp ice. Break a hole and
shoot carp that came for air. 1955

Bill

I was kidding! We dont want droves of people carp fishing in this ladies
water tank.... We only wanted to get rid of the mosquitos. Oh hell. I
remember the saying " its hard, when you find yourself in the middle of
a mudhole full of alligators that you only came to drain the swamp"
Shhooo no fishing allowed!

In article , Charlie wrote:


But....the question remains....how did you fix your carp and did/do you
like them?
Sold them to local Jewish folk never ate them.
Sold our rats to local black folk eat some.

Our community was made up of poor blacks, whites, jews and what ever
got here. Hand pumps for water and wood or coal for heat. We all were
driven out to make for modern expansion. We called it the meadows where
my back yard was a large swamp of a few hundred acres. The
Philadelphia airport is real close to where I grew up. BTw the projects
failed and the area is now a wasted community. They took 1 out of every
3 homes and it is still like that.

Folks in our area used to can lots of carp. THe pressuring took care
of the bones and the flavor was reminiscent of tuna. Pretty damned
good eatin' it was.
Never canned any fish or meat. Dried fish in a dehydrator and froze
meat.


Gotta ask ya' this one....you and your dad ever noodle for catfish?

Unknown to me.

That always gave me the willys, you just *knew* what was comin', but I
never got comfortable doing it. I knew some guys what near got
drownded using this technique. Brushpiles were dangerous. Sure as hell
got skinned up fierce once in a while. Never happened to me, but
sometimes bank holes held things other than cats.

Charlie, feelin' kind of ........elderly...and missin' the old fun! ;-)

I'm not feeling elderly but I'd like to sleep sound and not know what
Tinnitus and other health things mean. Looking at my efforts to be
healthy I some times the effort was for naught. But when I jump over a
curb I think yea.

Bill

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B01n4U9YyaI

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:13:05 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Jonno wrote:

Food grade poly drums are available from canneries. They buy their
vinegar in them.

Jan
Also beware of mosquitos.
That is likely to happen.
Use BT dunks.

That will keep mosquitos out of standing water?
Put in some goldfish. Theyre organic eat mossies, and you can always eat
them when they grow big enough.

But carp are so bony! ;-)

I'd personally vote for bass or crappie minnows!
--

Oh dear me......carp is our absolutlyist favoritist fish for plate!!

Bony yes, *but* skinned and properly scored and lightly dusted and
scores lightly packed with flour/cornmeal and deep fried.....oh my.

Hm. Carp is considered a trash fish here. I may have to re-assess that,
thanks!


The scoring of the flesh is *the* key to proper carp. Scoring, for
those who aren't familiar, is running your *very* sharp knife from
backbone down perpendiculary to the bellyside, cutting thru all the
tiny bones, but not the ribs, or cutting clear thru the fish. From
head to tail. You score as closely as possible, no more than 1/8 in
apart. You can feel all the little hairbones being cut. Deep frying
then reduces the tiny bones to nothing, though one still must exercise
the usual caution when eating fish.

Can you fillet them?


Oh lordy, Charlie and Mrs. Charlie are looking forward to fresh carp,
coleslaw and fried taters and cornbread....just your mention of carp
has me salivating like Pavlov's pup......

Charlie

Definitely have to re-asses. :-) Some people around here dump their
"used" goldfish in the local river and they get HUGE.
I live in a college town.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson

In article , Charlie wrote:

Hm. Carp is considered a trash fish here. I may have to re-assess that,
thanks!


You should, at least once. Folks most places consider them trashfish.



I'm wondering if there is a fillet technique for them.
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Peace! Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch."
-- Jack Nicholson