I planted two tomato plants I got from Walmart recently. They both had
blossoms but no fruit!, It's been some tinme now, and the plants are
big and leafy, but no more blossoms, and no fruit.
I live in the Csalifornia High Desert, and it's warm up here, the
plants are beautiful, but no blossoms. I tried rto get blossom set,
but they don't sell it anymore.
Now I have beautiful green plants but no tomatos!

Any Help please
Doc
=========================

On Jul 1, 1:16*pm, Doc wrote:
I planted two tomato plants I got from Walmart recently. They both had
blossoms but no fruit!, It's been some tinme now, and the plants are
big and leafy, but no more blossoms, and no fruit.
I live in the Csalifornia High Desert, and it's warm up here, the
plants are beautiful, but no blossoms. I tried rto get blossom set,
but they don't sell it anymore.
Now I have beautiful green plants but no tomatos!

Any Help please
Doc
=========================
Poor fruit set is related to high temperatures and low humidity,
daytime temps above 90 and night temps that don't get below 70.
59-68F at night sets the most fruit.
Generally wonderful foliage and no blossoms is caused by excess
nitrogen ( miracle gro mania)
If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

In article
,
beecrofter wrote:


If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon. Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
beecrofter wrote:


If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon.
I think you're preoccupied with your patient ;o)) We've been throug this
before. Anyway, take a look at
www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1993/misra93a.pdf
Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

Think "Teaming with Microbes", Chapter 1, where they write about plant
exudates.
.. . .
Root exudates are in the form of carbohydrates (including sugars) and
proteins. Amazingly, their presence wakes up, attracts, and grows
specific beneficial bacteria and fungi living in the soil that subsist
on these exudates and the_ cellular material sloughed off as the plant's
root tips grow. All this secretion of_ exudates and sloughing-off of
cells takes place in the rhizosphere, a zone immediately around the
roots, extending out about a tenth of an inch, or a couple of
millimeters (1 millimeter = 1/25 inch). The rhizosphere, which can
look_ like a jelly or jam under the electron microscope, contains a
constantly changing mix of soil organisms, including bacteria, fungi,
nematodes, protozoa, and_ even larger organisms. All this ³life"
competes for the exudates in the rhizosphere, or its water or mineral
content.

At the bottom of the soil food web are bacteria and fungi, which are
attracted to and consume plant root exudates. In turn, they attract and
are eaten by bigger microbes, specifically nematodes and protozoa
(remember the amoebae, paramecia, flagellates, and ciliates you should
have studied in biology?), who eat bacteria and fungi (primarily for
carbon) to fuel their metabolic functions. Anything they don't need is
excreted as wastes, which plant roots are readily able to absorb as
nutrients. How convenient that this production of plant nutrients takes
place right in the rhizosphere, the site of root-nutrient absorption.

snip

Soil bacteria and fungi are like small bags of fertilizer, retaining in
their bodies nitrogen and other nutrients they gain from root exudates
and other organic matter (such as those sloughed-off root-tip cells).
Carrying on the analogy, soil protozoa and nematodes act as ³fertilizer
spreaders" by releasing, the nutrients locked up in the bacteria and
fungi ³fertilizer bags." The nematodes and protozoa in the soil come
along and eat the bacteria and fungi in the, rhizosphere. They digest
what they need to survive and excrete excess carbon and other nutrients
as waste.
-------

Is sugar water good for hummeres?

My latest book is "The fatal harvest reader : the tragedy of industrial
agriculture", edited by Andrew Kimbrell. Only just started and already
the book is into the fact that from 1982 to 2002 food production
increased faster than the population but that hunger increased by 11% in
the world. Fifty percent of antibiotics used in the US are used for live
stock and drug resistant bacteria are the 11th leading cause for death
in the US. Farmers who use standard agrichemicals have a seven fold
incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphomas in comparison to people who don't use
them.

Time for the "happy hour".
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
beecrofter wrote:


If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon.
I think you're preoccupied with your patient ;o)) We've been throug this
before. Anyway, take a look at
www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1993/misra93a.pdf
Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

Think "Teaming with Microbes", Chapter 1, where they write about plant
exudates.
. . .
Root exudates are in the form of carbohydrates (including sugars) and
proteins. Amazingly, their presence wakes up, attracts, and grows
specific beneficial bacteria and fungi living in the soil that subsist
on these exudates and the_ cellular material sloughed off as the plant's
root tips grow. All this secretion of_ exudates and sloughing-off of
cells takes place in the rhizosphere, a zone immediately around the
roots, extending out about a tenth of an inch, or a couple of
millimeters (1 millimeter = 1/25 inch). The rhizosphere, which can
look_ like a jelly or jam under the electron microscope, contains a
constantly changing mix of soil organisms, including bacteria, fungi,
nematodes, protozoa, and_ even larger organisms. All this ³life"
competes for the exudates in the rhizosphere, or its water or mineral
content.

At the bottom of the soil food web are bacteria and fungi, which are
attracted to and consume plant root exudates. In turn, they attract and
are eaten by bigger microbes, specifically nematodes and protozoa
(remember the amoebae, paramecia, flagellates, and ciliates you should
have studied in biology?), who eat bacteria and fungi (primarily for
carbon) to fuel their metabolic functions. Anything they don't need is
excreted as wastes, which plant roots are readily able to absorb as
nutrients. How convenient that this production of plant nutrients takes
place right in the rhizosphere, the site of root-nutrient absorption.

snip

Soil bacteria and fungi are like small bags of fertilizer, retaining in
their bodies nitrogen and other nutrients they gain from root exudates
and other organic matter (such as those sloughed-off root-tip cells).
Carrying on the analogy, soil protozoa and nematodes act as ³fertilizer
spreaders" by releasing, the nutrients locked up in the bacteria and
fungi ³fertilizer bags." The nematodes and protozoa in the soil come
along and eat the bacteria and fungi in the, rhizosphere. They digest
what they need to survive and excrete excess carbon and other nutrients
as waste.
-------

Is sugar water good for hummeres?

I need to correct a couple of misstatements.
My latest book is "The fatal harvest reader : the tragedy of industrial
agriculture", edited by Andrew Kimbrell. Only just started and already
the book is into the fact that from 1982 to 2002 food production
increased faster than the population but that hunger increased by 11% in
the world.
Make that 1970 to 1990 ("industrial agriculture's" prime years), world
hunger increased by at least 11% everywhere except China.
Fifty percent of antibiotics used in the US are used for live
stock and drug resistant bacteria are the 11th leading cause for death
in the US. Farmers who use standard agrichemicals
were six times more likely to get non-Hodgkin lymphomas than non-farmers.
have a seven fold
incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphomas in comparison to people who don't use
them.

Time for the "happy hour".

And a successful one it was ;o))
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
beecrofter wrote:


If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon.
I think you're preoccupied with your patient ;o)) We've been throug this
before. Anyway, take a look at
www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1993/misra93a.pdf
Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

Think "Teaming with Microbes", Chapter 1, where they write about plant
exudates.
. . .
Root exudates are in the form of carbohydrates (including sugars) and
proteins. Amazingly, their presence wakes up, attracts, and grows
specific beneficial bacteria and fungi living in the soil that subsist
on these exudates and the_ cellular material sloughed off as the plant's
root tips grow. All this secretion of_ exudates and sloughing-off of
cells takes place in the rhizosphere, a zone immediately around the
roots, extending out about a tenth of an inch, or a couple of
millimeters (1 millimeter = 1/25 inch). The rhizosphere, which can
look_ like a jelly or jam under the electron microscope, contains a
constantly changing mix of soil organisms, including bacteria, fungi,
nematodes, protozoa, and_ even larger organisms. All this ³life"
competes for the exudates in the rhizosphere, or its water or mineral
content.

I'll check it out.

Found this.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/organic/msg0121101210881.html

"A SWEET END TO WEEDS
by Margrit Beemster
Sugar has the potential to control annual weeds according to recent
research trials conducted by researchers from Charles Sturt University."
From above url even speaks of sugar to help remove Dog Urine stains.



Is sugar water good for hummeres?

Yup just plain old sucrose 1 part to 4 parts water. No dye required
and it is not good for hummers. Have one feeder here and you have one
hummer. Have two feeders in sight of each other and I'll have one
hummer. Have three feeders not in sight of each other and we have many.

My latest book is "The fatal harvest reader : the tragedy of industrial
agriculture", edited by Andrew Kimbrell. Only just started and already
the book is into the fact that from 1982 to 2002 food production
increased faster than the population but that hunger increased by 11% in
the world. Fifty percent of antibiotics used in the US are used for live
stock and drug resistant bacteria are the 11th leading cause for death
in the US. Farmers who use standard agrichemicals have a seven fold
incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphomas in comparison to people who don't use
them.

Even rotenone is not good.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...tool=EntrezSys
tem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVD ocSum

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
beecrofter wrote:


If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon.
I think you're preoccupied with your patient ;o)) We've been throug this
before. Anyway, take a look at
www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1993/misra93a.pdf
Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

Think "Teaming with Microbes", Chapter 1, where they write about plant
exudates.
. . .
Root exudates are in the form of carbohydrates (including sugars) and
proteins. Amazingly, their presence wakes up, attracts, and grows
specific beneficial bacteria and fungi living in the soil that subsist
on these exudates and the_ cellular material sloughed off as the plant's
root tips grow. All this secretion of_ exudates and sloughing-off of
cells takes place in the rhizosphere, a zone immediately around the
roots, extending out about a tenth of an inch, or a couple of
millimeters (1 millimeter = 1/25 inch). The rhizosphere, which can
look_ like a jelly or jam under the electron microscope, contains a
constantly changing mix of soil organisms, including bacteria, fungi,
nematodes, protozoa, and_ even larger organisms. All this ³life"
competes for the exudates in the rhizosphere, or its water or mineral
content.

I'll check it out.

Found this.

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/organic/msg0121101210881.html

"A SWEET END TO WEEDS
by Margrit Beemster
Sugar has the potential to control annual weeds according to recent
research trials conducted by researchers from Charles Sturt University."
From above url even speaks of sugar to help remove Dog Urine stains.



Is sugar water good for hummeres?

Yup just plain old sucrose 1 part to 4 parts water. No dye required
and it is not good for hummers. Have one feeder here and you have one
hummer. Have two feeders in sight of each other and I'll have one
hummer. Have three feeders not in sight of each other and we have many.

My latest book is "The fatal harvest reader : the tragedy of industrial
agriculture", edited by Andrew Kimbrell. Only just started and already
the book is into the fact that from 1982 to 2002 food production
increased faster than the population but that hunger increased by 11% in
the world. Fifty percent of antibiotics used in the US are used for live
stock and drug resistant bacteria are the 11th leading cause for death
in the US. Farmers who use standard agrichemicals have a seven fold
incidence of non-Hodgkin lymphomas in comparison to people who don't use
them.

Even rotenone is not good.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...tool=EntrezSys
tem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVD ocSum

Bill

Bill, take a look at http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLF1372

I believe it may be the promised land ;O)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLF1372

You are under my protection !

Many Thanks!

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
Bill wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

http://www.sciencelab.com/page/S/PVAR/SLF1372

You are under my protection !

Many Thanks!

Bill

I hope you have an electronic scale. I would think you would want divvy
up. That is at least two life time supplies, maybe four from where we
are standing;o)
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

On Jul 1, 3:44*pm, Bill wrote:
In article
,

*beecrofter wrote:
If you went crazy with soluble nitrogen fertilizer try pinching the
plants back, giving them a good soaking, and adding a little bit of
sugar as a carbon source to the soil to tie up some of the soluble
nitrogen as bacteria.

*I can understand the first part of your statement. But adding sugar is
new to me for carbon as I think of wood ashes for the carbon. *Perhaps a
new trick for me. Sounds expensive some how. Still I think you mean as
remedial for imbalance on a small scale perhaps. . Adding sugar got me
way off present practice thinking..

*Bill who spills Hummer sugar only 1-4 parts water.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

I don't think there will be much carbon in wood ash after all that's
pretty much what was burned away to make the ashes.
All the sugar does is let the microbes in the soil go into a riot of
growth making excess soluble nitrogen less soluble.
If you haven't gone nuts with fertilizers it shouldn't much matter.
As for the expense? the original poster has 2 tomato plants not 200
acres!