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Steer compost in garden
There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer
compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? |
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Steer compost in garden
I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly
dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted". I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have experience with this stuff? "Zootal" wrote in message ... There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? |
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"Zootal" wrote: I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted". I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have experience with this stuff? "Zootal" wrote in message ... There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Dump it into a pyramid shaped pile. Add two steer horns and cover with a tarp. Remove in 3 .3 decades and spread it about . The horns should be filled with sand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner Na just spread the shit about. You seem to be well on your way. Bill who has a horn in water in my basement for about 30 years. -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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"Zootal" wrote: I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted". I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have experience with this stuff? "Zootal" wrote in message ... There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Take a look at http://www.ext.colostate.edu/Pubs/foodnut/09369.html You probably don't want to use it on anything that you'll be harvesting in the next three months, if it hasn't been commercially composted, i.e. done in very large lots to generate the heat needed to kill pathogens. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
"Zootal" wrote: I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted". I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have experience with this stuff? "Zootal" wrote in message ... There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Take a look at http://www.ext.colostate.edu/Pubs/foodnut/09369.html You probably don't want to use it on anything that you'll be harvesting in the next three months, if it hasn't been commercially composted, i.e. done in very large lots to generate the heat needed to kill pathogens. Sunlight and soil biota are also good destroyers of pathogens. http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/liv.../cwa01s11.html |
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, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly- "Zootal" wrote: I have a truckload of the stuff sitting out front. It looks like slightly dried and aged steer manure, I'm not sure how much it's been "composted". I'm guessing it might be a bit hot and should be used sparingly. Anyone have experience with this stuff? "Zootal" wrote in message ... There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Take a look at http://www.ext.colostate.edu/Pubs/foodnut/09369.html You probably don't want to use it on anything that you'll be harvesting in the next three months, if it hasn't been commercially composted, i.e. done in very large lots to generate the heat needed to kill pathogens. Sunlight and soil biota are also good destroyers of pathogens. http://www.gov.mb.ca/agriculture/liv.../cwa01s11.html If given 3 - 4 months of warm summer days ;-) -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. By mushroom compost, do you mean the medium that the mushrooms grow in? If so, that is probably horse manure and was sterilized before it was used for mushrooms (good to go). These are fertilizers, if I read you properly, a source of nitrogen for the plants, not what gardeners usually think of as mulch, which is usually worm food. Like mulch, leave six foot radius around the tree clear, if you plan to feed them. Most plants could do well with a side dressing about now. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. By mushroom compost, do you mean the medium that the mushrooms grow in? If so, that is probably horse manure and was sterilized before it was used for mushrooms (good to go). These are fertilizers, if I read you properly, a source of nitrogen for the plants, not what gardeners usually think of as mulch, which is usually worm food. Like mulch, leave six foot radius around the tree clear, if you plan to feed them. Most plants could do well with a side dressing about now. It is aged, you can tell by looking at it, but there is no telling how long it was aged. It has a fairly pleasant odor (for manure, that is) which would indicate some aging. I think I'll go sparingly just in case...hate to fry my plants with hot manure. |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. By mushroom compost, do you mean the medium that the mushrooms grow in? If so, that is probably horse manure and was sterilized before it was used for mushrooms (good to go). These are fertilizers, if I read you properly, a source of nitrogen for the plants, not what gardeners usually think of as mulch, which is usually worm food. Like mulch, leave six foot radius around the tree clear, if you plan to feed them. Most plants could do well with a side dressing about now. PS - it's definitely not mulch. This is plain old somewhat aged cow poop. |
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"Zootal" wrote in message
"Billy" wrote in message "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. By mushroom compost, do you mean the medium that the mushrooms grow in? If so, that is probably horse manure and was sterilized before it was used for mushrooms (good to go). These are fertilizers, if I read you properly, a source of nitrogen for the plants, not what gardeners usually think of as mulch, which is usually worm food. Like mulch, leave six foot radius around the tree clear, if you plan to feed them. Most plants could do well with a side dressing about now. PS - it's definitely not mulch. This is plain old somewhat aged cow poop. Then use it now and dont' let the nutrients escape into the ground in a non useful place. Don't put it around the base of lettuce or parsley but anything that will be harvested from above the level of the poop will love it as will your worms. |
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"Billy" wrote in message
"Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have. It just depends on where you use it. I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people believe that without ever having tried it really fresh. |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have. It just depends on where you use it. I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people believe that without ever having tried it really fresh. I agree. I live in the midst of cattle country and we run horses as well. Manure from either can be used within a few weeks of date of plop when it has dried somewhat. Manure from birds (chickens, turkeys etc) is another matter altogether as the content of nutrients is much higher. It must be diluted and/or composted and/or aged before use. I prefer diluting and composting in with other plant material as these help to retain the nutrients as just leaving it lying in a heap will allow the soluble nutrients (especially nitrogen compounds) to leach away. This usually results in great growth of grass downslope from the pile which may not be what you want. As for the neccesity of hot composting and sterilizing I think the risk of picking up a pathogen from the manure of a herbivore is greatly over estimated. Sure there are E.Coli and other pathogens that can live in humans in their guts but we all live in a microbiological soup. The air, the water and every object we touch is covered in microbes by the gazillion. Living isn't something you can do sterile. There are a great many people in the western world who live in big cities who are horrified at the thought of anything that has come out of the arse of a living creature. [I always knew that a boiled egg is the work of the devil] I have had people ask me "where do the horses go to the bathroom?" When I replied "where ever they please" they were horrified. You have only to look at the vast market for fancy surface cleansers, coloured stuff to put down your toilet etc, most of which is entirely pointless, to see how this fear is reinforced by vested interests. Much of this squeamishness is based on the fear that one spot of fecal matter on ones skin will automatically result in an illness. You wash before eating don't you? You have an immune system don't you? But you are a bad parent whose children ought be taken away if your whole bathroom isn't sprayed with Zeppo Ultraclean daily. I would say changing the dirty nappy of an infant is far more dangerous (not to mention unpleasant) than spreading barrows full of not fully composted cow manure. David |
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"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have. It just depends on where you use it. I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people believe that without ever having tried it really fresh. I agree. I live in the midst of cattle country and we run horses as well. Manure from either can be used within a few weeks of date of plop when it has dried somewhat. Manure from birds (chickens, turkeys etc) is another matter altogether as the content of nutrients is much higher. It must be diluted and/or composted and/or aged before use. I prefer diluting and composting in with other plant material as these help to retain the nutrients as just leaving it lying in a heap will allow the soluble nutrients (especially nitrogen compounds) to leach away. This usually results in great growth of grass downslope from the pile which may not be what you want. As for the neccesity of hot composting and sterilizing I think the risk of picking up a pathogen from the manure of a herbivore is greatly over estimated. Sure there are E.Coli and other pathogens that can live in humans in their guts but we all live in a microbiological soup. The air, the water and every object we touch is covered in microbes by the gazillion. Living isn't something you can do sterile. There are a great many people in the western world who live in big cities who are horrified at the thought of anything that has come out of the arse of a living creature. [I always knew that a boiled egg is the work of the devil] I have had people ask me "where do the horses go to the bathroom?" When I replied "where ever they please" they were horrified. You have only to look at the vast market for fancy surface cleansers, coloured stuff to put down your toilet etc, most of which is entirely pointless, to see how this fear is reinforced by vested interests. Much of this squeamishness is based on the fear that one spot of fecal matter on ones skin will automatically result in an illness. You wash before eating don't you? You have an immune system don't you? But you are a bad parent whose children ought be taken away if your whole bathroom isn't sprayed with Zeppo Ultraclean daily. I would say changing the dirty nappy of an infant is far more dangerous (not to mention unpleasant) than spreading barrows full of not fully composted cow manure. David Kinda confusing, the FDA and other naysayers of animal poop. The last tainted spinach thing, that found the couple of rows where it was located in a farm in California. Uphill from there, cattle graze. They heavily implied the cow manure during heavy rain was the culprit. But, didn't come out and say it was for sure. Seems more rhetoric and guessing, than science to me. -- Dave Bailout: Friend, relative, business acquaintance paying a sum to get the accused out of jail until court is ready to proceed. Bailout: U.S. taxpayers paying a sum of money for some critical business failure that was fleecing the taxpayer to begin with. Somehow, the word "bailout" seems very different. |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote: "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have. It just depends on where you use it. I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people believe that without ever having tried it really fresh. I agree. I live in the midst of cattle country and we run horses as well. Manure from either can be used within a few weeks of date of plop when it has dried somewhat. Manure from birds (chickens, turkeys etc) is another matter altogether as the content of nutrients is much higher. It must be diluted and/or composted and/or aged before use. I prefer diluting and composting in with other plant material as these help to retain the nutrients as just leaving it lying in a heap will allow the soluble nutrients (especially nitrogen compounds) to leach away. This usually results in great growth of grass downslope from the pile which may not be what you want. As for the neccesity of hot composting and sterilizing I think the risk of picking up a pathogen from the manure of a herbivore is greatly over estimated. Sure there are E.Coli and other pathogens that can live in humans in their guts but we all live in a microbiological soup. The air, the water and every object we touch is covered in microbes by the gazillion. Living isn't something you can do sterile. There are a great many people in the western world who live in big cities who are horrified at the thought of anything that has come out of the arse of a living creature. [I always knew that a boiled egg is the work of the devil] I have had people ask me "where do the horses go to the bathroom?" When I replied "where ever they please" they were horrified. You have only to look at the vast market for fancy surface cleansers, coloured stuff to put down your toilet etc, most of which is entirely pointless, to see how this fear is reinforced by vested interests. Much of this squeamishness is based on the fear that one spot of fecal matter on ones skin will automatically result in an illness. You wash before eating don't you? You have an immune system don't you? But you are a bad parent whose children ought be taken away if your whole bathroom isn't sprayed with Zeppo Ultraclean daily. I would say changing the dirty nappy of an infant is far more dangerous (not to mention unpleasant) than spreading barrows full of not fully composted cow manure. David Kinda confusing, the FDA and other naysayers of animal poop. The last tainted spinach thing, that found the couple of rows where it was located in a farm in California. Uphill from there, cattle graze. They heavily implied the cow manure during heavy rain was the culprit. But, didn't come out and say it was for sure. Seems more rhetoric and guessing, than science to me. A surmise perhaps, but not without foundation or precedent. http://www.csiss.org/classics/content/8 -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related |
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message m... "David Hare-Scott" wrote in message ... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Billy" wrote in message "Zootal" wrote: There is a bark place down the road that sells mushroom compost and steer compost. Is this stuff good for the garden? Can I use it like compost and heap it on the ground around plants and trees? Manure should be at least six months old before use. I disagree strongly with this. I use manure pretty fresh and always have. It just depends on where you use it. I think that the taboos about manure stem from old books (mostly from Europe) which all talk about "aged manure". I suspect that most people believe that without ever having tried it really fresh. I agree. I live in the midst of cattle country and we run horses as well. Manure from either can be used within a few weeks of date of plop when it has dried somewhat. Manure from birds (chickens, turkeys etc) is another matter altogether as the content of nutrients is much higher. It must be diluted and/or composted and/or aged before use. I prefer diluting and composting in with other plant material as these help to retain the nutrients as just leaving it lying in a heap will allow the soluble nutrients (especially nitrogen compounds) to leach away. This usually results in great growth of grass downslope from the pile which may not be what you want. As for the neccesity of hot composting and sterilizing I think the risk of picking up a pathogen from the manure of a herbivore is greatly over estimated. Sure there are E.Coli and other pathogens that can live in humans in their guts but we all live in a microbiological soup. The air, the water and every object we touch is covered in microbes by the gazillion. Living isn't something you can do sterile. There are a great many people in the western world who live in big cities who are horrified at the thought of anything that has come out of the arse of a living creature. [I always knew that a boiled egg is the work of the devil] I have had people ask me "where do the horses go to the bathroom?" When I replied "where ever they please" they were horrified. You have only to look at the vast market for fancy surface cleansers, coloured stuff to put down your toilet etc, most of which is entirely pointless, to see how this fear is reinforced by vested interests. Much of this squeamishness is based on the fear that one spot of fecal matter on ones skin will automatically result in an illness. You wash before eating don't you? You have an immune system don't you? But you are a bad parent whose children ought be taken away if your whole bathroom isn't sprayed with Zeppo Ultraclean daily. I would say changing the dirty nappy of an infant is far more dangerous (not to mention unpleasant) than spreading barrows full of not fully composted cow manure. David Kinda confusing, the FDA and other naysayers of animal poop. The last tainted spinach thing, that found the couple of rows where it was located in a farm in California. Uphill from there, cattle graze. They heavily implied the cow manure during heavy rain was the culprit. But, didn't come out and say it was for sure. Seems more rhetoric and guessing, than science to me. That incidence, and another involving lettuce in California, involved on very particularly nasty form of E. coli (viz 0157:H7). There are many varieties of E. coli. The FDA would have to take the most cautious approach they could without putting the fear of raging disease into the whole populace. There are many other forms of diseases we can pick up in a garden (or in cafes or even from handles on shop doors). I've had cellulitis from the most minute rose prick you've ever seen. My husband had cellulitis when travelling in a tropical country without even getting any break in the skin. It's all about taking sensible precautions without being fear ridden or we'd never garden, own animals, go out of the house etc. |
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