Howdy, maddie here,
Since I don't know spit about roses, I'm cutting and pasting this
question I got from my former sister in law who I keep in touch with
because despite that her brother, my ex-husband is still a bendejo',
she's rather neat and living in South Dakota......please advise me and
I'll pass on the advice toot sweet! Thanks!
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

I have a rose bush beside my front door…pale pink roses, tea rose, I
think…



Anyway, for the last few years, it has had some kind of condition that
I haven’t been able to eradicate.



The buds form, and the roses bloom, and soon thereafter the hearts
begin to turn brown/tan. The foliage is okay

except where the grasshoppers have nipped the leaves. The rose hips
have now formed, but the crowns of them are

a dark brown, and there is what looks like tiny gobs of sh!t, bigger
than fly specks, smaller than a grain of rice. They

don’t appear to have life, but I can’t really tell. Like the grainy
poop of a tomato horn worm, only smaller…



The first season this happened, and I think the second, there were
what I thought was flea beetles in the hearts. This

year, I did not see the black bugs, but the hearts still basically
decomposed after bloom. I tried Sevin (sp?) the first

two years. This year, I just let them be. I imagine this should be
treated with some kind of systemic pesticide.



Should I try to move it? It has been in that spot for eight years or
so. It is near my composting bin, if that has any significance.

Any suggestions from the Master Gardener??

__________________________________________________ _____________________________

thanks for any real, good advice.
maddie gardening and helping out here in the green bowl, surrounded by
the Cherokee National Forest and the Appalachians now instead of the
Smokies in zone 7b, Sunset zone ?? 36??

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Howdy, maddie here,
Since I don't know spit about roses, I'm cutting and pasting this
question I got from my former sister in law who I keep in touch with
because despite that her brother, my ex-husband is still a bendejo',
she's rather neat and living in South Dakota......please advise me and
I'll pass on the advice toot sweet! Thanks!
_________________________________________________ ______________________________

I have a rose bush beside my front door…pale pink roses, tea rose, I
think…



Anyway, for the last few years, it has had some kind of condition that
I haven’t been able to eradicate.



The buds form, and the roses bloom, and soon thereafter the hearts
begin to turn brown/tan. The foliage is okay

except where the grasshoppers have nipped the leaves. The rose hips
have now formed, but the crowns of them are

a dark brown, and there is what looks like tiny gobs of sh!t, bigger
than fly specks, smaller than a grain of rice. They

don’t appear to have life, but I can’t really tell. Like the grainy
poop of a tomato horn worm, only smaller…



The first season this happened, and I think the second, there were
what I thought was flea beetles in the hearts. This

year, I did not see the black bugs, but the hearts still basically
decomposed after bloom. I tried Sevin (sp?) the first

two years. This year, I just let them be. I imagine this should be
treated with some kind of systemic pesticide.



Should I try to move it? It has been in that spot for eight years or
so. It is near my composting bin, if that has any significance.

Any suggestions from the Master Gardener??

_________________________________________________ ______________________________

thanks for any real, good advice.
maddie gardening and helping out here in the green bowl, surrounded by
the Cherokee National Forest and the Appalachians now instead of the
Smokies in zone 7b, Sunset zone ?? 36??

The evidence of droppings would warrant more observations, even better
to take a look at night, early morning and evening. Roses are very
vulnerable to diseases and there may be a combination of issues here.
First, make sure the roses get adequate ventilation and it is best to
water in the morning to control fungus. A good pruning can help the
air movement. A rose systemic will help control insect damage. I
don't like the systemic products that contain inorganic fertilizers
because roses prefer rotted cow manure, fish emulsion, and other
organics (they told me so!) I'd hold back the fertilizer for awhile.
A product called "Messenger" is a protein that can help boost the
plants' immune system if applied every 3 weeks. Transplanting an
established rose is a risky move due to the long tap root. If it gets
6+ hours of daily sun it is probably okay, and it's unlikely to be
suffering from lack of fertilizer being next to a compost bin.
Finally, have patience--growing roses takes time and more care than
most other plants.

I almost lost my Don Juan roses to black spot fungus (famous in E.TN).
I heavily pruned back the bushes and they bounced back the following
year, rewarding me with a huge burst of blooms.

On Jul 31, 7:08*pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:





Howdy, maddie here,
Since I don't know spit about roses, I'm cutting and pasting this
question I got from my former sister in law who I keep in touch with
because despite that her brother, my ex-husband is still a bendejo',
she's rather neat and living in South Dakota......please advise me and
I'll pass on the advice toot sweet! *Thanks!
_________________________________________________ _________________________*_____

I have a rose bush beside my front door…pale pink roses, tea rose, I
think…

Anyway, for the last few years, it has had some kind of condition that
I haven’t been able to eradicate.

The buds form, and the roses bloom, and soon thereafter the hearts
begin to turn brown/tan. The foliage is okay

except where the grasshoppers have nipped the leaves. The rose hips
have now formed, but the crowns of them are

a dark brown, and there is what looks like tiny gobs of sh!t, bigger
than fly specks, smaller than a grain of rice. They

don’t appear to have life, but I can’t really tell. Like the grainy
poop of a tomato horn worm, only smaller…

The first season this happened, and I think the second, there were
what I thought was flea beetles in the hearts. This

year, I did not see the black bugs, but the hearts still basically
decomposed after bloom. I tried Sevin (sp?) the first

two years. This year, I just let them be. I imagine this should be
treated with some kind of systemic pesticide.

Should I try to move it? *It has been in that spot for eight years or
so. It is near my composting bin, if that has any significance.

Any suggestions from the Master Gardener??

_________________________________________________ _________________________*_____

thanks for any real, good advice.
maddie gardening and helping out here in the green bowl, surrounded by
the Cherokee National Forest and the Appalachians now instead of the
Smokies in zone 7b, Sunset zone ?? 36??

The evidence of droppings would warrant more observations, even better
to take a look at night, early morning and evening. *Roses are very
vulnerable to diseases and there may be a combination of issues here.
First, make sure the roses get adequate ventilation and it is best to
water in the morning to control fungus. *A good pruning can help the
air movement. * *A rose systemic will help control insect damage. *I
don't like the systemic products that contain inorganic fertilizers
because roses prefer rotted cow manure, fish emulsion, and other
organics (they told me so!) *I'd hold back the fertilizer for awhile.
A product called "Messenger" is a protein that can help boost the
plants' immune system if applied every 3 weeks. *Transplanting an
established rose is a risky move due to the long tap root. *If it gets
6+ hours of daily sun it is probably okay, and it's unlikely to be
suffering from lack of fertilizer being next to a compost bin.
Finally, have patience--growing roses takes time and more care than
most other plants.

I almost lost my Don Juan roses to black spot fungus (famous in E.TN).
I heavily pruned back the bushes and they bounced back the following
year, rewarding me with a huge burst of blooms.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

thanks Phisherman!!!! (((((huge MADDIE hug)))))) sent the info to
her and told her to Google the rec.gardens for great people to chat
about gardening and such.........might be interesting to see her
"face" over the garden fence........
maddie

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jul 31, 7:08*pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:





Howdy, maddie here,
Since I don't know spit about roses, I'm cutting and pasting this
question I got from my former sister in law who I keep in touch with
because despite that her brother, my ex-husband is still a bendejo',
she's rather neat and living in South Dakota......please advise me and
I'll pass on the advice toot sweet! *Thanks!
_________________________________________________ _________________________*_____

I have a rose bush beside my front door…pale pink roses, tea rose, I
think…

Anyway, for the last few years, it has had some kind of condition that
I haven’t been able to eradicate.

The buds form, and the roses bloom, and soon thereafter the hearts
begin to turn brown/tan. The foliage is okay

except where the grasshoppers have nipped the leaves. The rose hips
have now formed, but the crowns of them are

a dark brown, and there is what looks like tiny gobs of sh!t, bigger
than fly specks, smaller than a grain of rice. They

don’t appear to have life, but I can’t really tell. Like the grainy
poop of a tomato horn worm, only smaller…

The first season this happened, and I think the second, there were
what I thought was flea beetles in the hearts. This

year, I did not see the black bugs, but the hearts still basically
decomposed after bloom. I tried Sevin (sp?) the first

two years. This year, I just let them be. I imagine this should be
treated with some kind of systemic pesticide.

Should I try to move it? *It has been in that spot for eight years or
so. It is near my composting bin, if that has any significance.

Any suggestions from the Master Gardener??

_________________________________________________ _________________________*_____

thanks for any real, good advice.
maddie gardening and helping out here in the green bowl, surrounded by
the Cherokee National Forest and the Appalachians now instead of the
Smokies in zone 7b, Sunset zone ?? 36??

The evidence of droppings would warrant more observations, even better
to take a look at night, early morning and evening. *Roses are very
vulnerable to diseases and there may be a combination of issues here.
First, make sure the roses get adequate ventilation and it is best to
water in the morning to control fungus. *A good pruning can help the
air movement. * *A rose systemic will help control insect damage. *I
don't like the systemic products that contain inorganic fertilizers
because roses prefer rotted cow manure, fish emulsion, and other
organics (they told me so!) *I'd hold back the fertilizer for awhile.
A product called "Messenger" is a protein that can help boost the
plants' immune system if applied every 3 weeks. *Transplanting an
established rose is a risky move due to the long tap root. *If it gets
6+ hours of daily sun it is probably okay, and it's unlikely to be
suffering from lack of fertilizer being next to a compost bin.
Finally, have patience--growing roses takes time and more care than
most other plants.

I almost lost my Don Juan roses to black spot fungus (famous in E.TN).
I heavily pruned back the bushes and they bounced back the following
year, rewarding me with a huge burst of blooms.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

thanks Phisherman!!!! (((((huge MADDIE hug)))))) sent the info to
her and told her to Google the rec.gardens for great people to chat
about gardening and such.........might be interesting to see her
"face" over the garden fence........
maddie


You're Welcome. Hope she finds the cause and solution. I love roses.