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Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What
is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:32:09 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. I use Hi-Yield Copperas, which is a powder derived from ferrous sulfate. It was recommended by more than one organic nursery, is relatively cheap, and effective. Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get
greensand. "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:32:09 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. They sell horticultural grade molassas and that is what I use for iron. Since my pH is high I also use magnesium along with it in order to provide more availablity in the soil. You can broadcast magnesium in the form of epsom salt and if you dilute it enough, you can use molassas in a hose end sprayer. You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd have problems with things like raccoons and possums. Ironite contains levels of arsenic I am not willing to use. It will help kill soil organisms along with larger fauna in the gardens. I avoid it. There are plenty of websites you can read with pro and con on the subject of ironite. OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms and grubs thrive..... |
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"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:32:09 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. I use Hi-Yield Copperas, which is a powder derived from ferrous sulfate. It was recommended by more than one organic nursery, is relatively cheap, and effective. Where do you get it? I've not seen or heard about it here in central TN. Who carries it? Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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"polecanoe" wrote in message ... i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get greensand. They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for
you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. you don't say where you are from, in my state CT the local NOFA has an annual sale you can also try peaceful valley if you are in CA www.groworganic.com or Fedco seeds in ME www.fedcoseeds.com should have it. "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "polecanoe" wrote in message ... i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get greensand. They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:43:14 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
wrote: "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120 It was more balanced than any of the others. I use Hi-Yield Copperas, which is a powder derived from ferrous sulfate. It was recommended by more than one organic nursery, is relatively cheap, and effective. Where do you get it? I've not seen or heard about it here in central TN. Who carries it? I think you would have to go to a nursery, not a big box store to get it. I got it for years from a local organic nursery; but when they retired, I was still able to get it from a more traditional nursery. I would just call a few nurseries or plant stores near where you live and ask if they carry it. I really miss my organic nursery, they were always willing to try and get products that I'd read about on the web, or help me find a suitable alternative. The biggest problem is finding potting soil without any fertilizer in it, but that's a whine for another post. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"Marie Dodge" wrote
"polecanoe" wrote i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get greensand. They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? http://www.fertrell.com/soil_amendments.html http://www.fertrell.com/outlets.html |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:05:09 -0500, Jangchub
wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:47:35 -0400, Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: Eco-nazi? That's insulting, dontca think? Hit a little too close to home, did I? Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120 It was more balanced than any of the others. Eco-nazi frothing? So this is the fair and balanced report? Let's start with the report itself. There is no opponent's voice in the article there are just the proponents, Rob Morgan, Ironite's executive vice president and chief operating officer, Dr. Eberhardt, Ironite's consultant, and a few commentators. The most telling quote came from David Shields, a geologist with a Dallas engineering firm who has worked on lead cleanup projects, said the key question for consumers is not which forms of lead or arsenic are the most or least toxic. The EPA does not make that distinction when it plans residential cleanups, he noted. Instead, Mr. Shields said, the important question is whether consumers can make an informed choice. "I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't use any particular product," Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead." Then there are the Bio-Nazis at EPA http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm Release of Heavy Metals from Ironite(R) Ironite(R) is a common fertilizer made from mine tailings available at any lawn and garden store. The presence of heavy metals in Ironite(R) has resulted in its banning in Canada and lawsuits in the United States due to the potential release of heavy metals, most notably arsenic and lead. Bioavailable arsenic released from Ironite(R) is dependent on its mineralogical form. Previous work sponsored by the producer of Ironite(R) identified the arsenic bearing phase as arsenopyrite with the conclusion that arsenic in that form does not pose an ecological threat. However, a closer look with EXAFS has identified the arsenic phase within Ironite(R) as scorodite-like. Scorodite is more soluble than arsenopyrite, in fact, the dissolved arsenic released from scorodite can exceed the US drinking water standard. In addition to the data collected at Argonne National Labs in February 2005 that identified arsenate sorbed to iron oxides as the dominant arsenic bearing phase, secondary identification techniques are currently being used to confirm this finding such as thermogravimetric analysis and Mossbauer spectroscopy. Then there are the bio-Nazis over at Garden Web. http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...029533485.html Ironite, Ironate, or Green Sand * Posted by jenny_in_se_pa USDA7 Sunset 32 (My Page) on Fri, Jun 1, 07 at 9:12 I don't recall ever seeing Ironite (or similar iron-promoting products) recommended for edibles outside of the ericaceous edibles like blueberries, etc. Ie., these products have generally been targeted towards ornamentals, and particularly acid-lovers including the ornamental ericaceous shrubs (rhododendrons, azaleas, pieris, camellias, gardenias, etc). Chemically, iron is less available within the generic pH ranges that many cultivated veggies grow in and those vegetables are adapted differently anyway, without the need for the same types and levels of micronutrients like iron, as the ericas. For my blueberries, I have been using Hollytone to keep the soil acidic and get the iron in that they need for the foliage. Greensand is supposedly a good source of potassium and iron. The conglomerate of elements that is targeted in greensand ("glauconite") is a naturally-occuring (from old sea beds) substance that is mined. Back in the day (and probably still in the current), many used to or still do use wood ashes for potassium (potash), although in that form, it can drive the alkalinity of the soil up. Iron was (and often still is) added by sticking iron nails around the plants! Greensand is an ingredient in some Epsoma products that coupled with something like ammonium sulfate, will lower the surrounding pH enough to help make the iron ions available when aqueous. The very reactive potassium doesn't need much (mainly water will do) to make it available. --------- Utilizing recycled industrial waste products is good stewardship if the efficacy and safety of such recycling process and final product can be substantiated and that such standards are being monitored and regulated periodically. There just seems no reason to financially support for the use of a product or take on take such risk environmentally or personally when we do not know that the benefits exceed the costs with some certainty, especially when better alternatives exist. ------- Then there is http://www.envirolaw.org/cases/poisonbg.html Food Crops that Absorb Contaminants Detected in Fertilizers Toxin Vulnerable Crops Health Effects of Contaminant Arsenic Carrots, onions, Carcinogenic potatoes, other root crops Cadmium Lettuce, corn, Kidney disease, carcinogenic, birth wheat defects, diminished fertility Lead Fruits and grains Seizures, mental retardation, behavioral disorders Dioxin Zucchini, pumpkin, Carcinogenic, diminished fertility, cucumber birth defects, immune system dysfunction SOURCES: Agency for Toxic Substances Disease Registry, U.S. Public Health Service, Environmental Protection Agency. Environment International Agency for Research on Cancer and Environmental Health Perspectives. My question to you Penelope is how much lead, arsenic, and cadmium do you have to ingest to improve your health? -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120 It was more balanced than any of the others. Whoops, I forgot our eco-nazi friends over at Rutgars University. http://njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/soilprofile/sp-v16.pdf While the great majority of commercial fertilizer products are generally regarded as safe and free of harmful levels of heavy metal contamination a limited number of products of concern have been identified in the garden center and fertilizer dealer market place. An example of a product of concern that is widely available in the home garden fertilizer market is Ironite. A recent study found that Ironite contains up to 3600 mg/kg As and 2900 mg/kg Pb and that solubility testing indicates that the product should be classified as a hazardous waste. On August 15, 2005, the New Jersey Department of Agriculture issued a ³stop sale² on Ironite 100, but other Ironite products remain on the market. A limited survey of commercial products obtained from fertilizer dealers in New Jersey, conducted by Rutgers Cooperative Research and Extension, identified one zinc product of concern that contained 83 mg/kg Cd (Table 2). Also analysis of a commercial liming material found a Ni concentration of 194 mg/kg. New Jersey state officials, garden centers and fertilizer dealers are being informed about these suspect products. In New Jersey, commercial fertilizer products are regulated for guaranteed nutrient concentration by the New Jersey Department of Agriculture (NJDA). Although concentrations of nonnutrient substances in fertilizers and liming materials are not currently regulated, the NJDA will, on request from the public, test product samples for some heavy metals of concern. When a farmer, gardener, or fertilizer dealer has concerns about the guaranteed nutrient concentration in a fertilizer, quality of a liming material, or possible contamination of a product with heavy metals, the product in question may be sampled and tested by the NJDA, P.O. Box 330, Trenton, NJ 08625. Phone: 6099842222. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:20:06 -0500, Jangchub
wrote: Penelope wrote: Jangchub wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: Eco-nazi? That's insulting, dontca think? Hit a little too close to home, did I? No, not at all. It is a bit odd to compare someone who is an organic gardener who doesn't kill to Nazi's who spent day and night murdering, raping and torturing people. I think you are a bit off base. It takes more than that to ruffle my feathers, dear. I'm not some fancy housewife in Texas. I was raised in Brooklyn NY and don't get insulted too easily. Your comment said more about you that it will ever say about me. You insulted people who were murdered, not me. Heh, yeah, your words fair ooze unperturbedness and undefensiveness. I am, like, all chastised and stuff. No, really. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:45 -0700, Billy
wrote: Eco-nazi frothing? Speaking of... Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:45 -0700, Billy wrote: Eco-nazi frothing? Speaking of... Penelope Ah, Penelope, the vituperous vixen: queen of the fractional entendre and vacuous thoughts. Heil. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:45 -0700, Billy wrote: Eco-nazi frothing? Speaking of... How did you arrive at giving more credence to the commercial, ad selling, don't-want-to-offend-any-potential-advertisers DALLAS MORNING NEWS than say Rutgars University, the EPA, or the Garden Web? I can imagine your embarrassment, having your stupidity on display like that, but to go 'tudinal instead of owning up to your error is childish. And, we've probably had all the invectives that we may have needed for a gardening group. Put up, or shut up. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as
well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:42:05 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd have problems with things like raccoons and possums. One tablespoon to a gallon of water as a foliar spray along with liquid seaweed. I have opossums and raccoons in my yard and they don't have problems. Mine don't have problems either, I have a problem with them.... they eat my veggies! = O How often are you spraying your garden with the Molasses? They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms and grubs thrive..... Why did you ask a question if you already know the answer? I asked what the issues were, the problems with Ironite since I haven't had any problems using it. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:32:34 -0500, Jangchub
wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: Jangchub wrote: Penelope wrote: Jangchub wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: Eco-nazi? That's insulting, dontca think? Hit a little too close to home, did I? No, not at all. It is a bit odd to compare someone who is an organic gardener who doesn't kill to Nazi's who spent day and night murdering, raping and torturing people. I think you are a bit off base. It takes more than that to ruffle my feathers, dear. I'm not some fancy housewife in Texas. I was raised in Brooklyn NY and don't get insulted too easily. Your comment said more about you that it will ever say about me. You insulted people who were murdered, not me. Heh, yeah, your words fair ooze unperturbedness and undefensiveness. I am, like, all chastised and stuff. No, really. Your words are far more telling about you than they are about me. I didn't chastise you. Exactly! Finally, we agree! You made a fool of yourself. Motley becomes me. Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:43:14 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120 It was more balanced than any of the others. It certainly was. Thanks. I use Hi-Yield Copperas, which is a powder derived from ferrous sulfate. It was recommended by more than one organic nursery, is relatively cheap, and effective. Where do you get it? I've not seen or heard about it here in central TN. Who carries it? I think you would have to go to a nursery, not a big box store to get it. I got it for years from a local organic nursery; but when they retired, I was still able to get it from a more traditional nursery. I would just call a few nurseries or plant stores near where you live and ask if they carry it. Will do but organic gardening isn't all that popular where I live. When I tried to get all organic fertilizers I went into sticker shock. The cost of blood meal and bone meal are astronomical! You'd think it was gold meal. People with small gardens can probably afford such prices, those of us with larger gardens would have to sell our firstborn sons. I really miss my organic nursery, they were always willing to try and get products that I'd read about on the web, or help me find a suitable alternative. The biggest problem is finding potting soil without any fertilizer in it, but that's a whine for another post. I've learned to make my own potting soil. It's much cheaper than buying it. Us retired people have to watch what we spend. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:32:20 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote: egregious top posting corrected, as is only civilized "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? My, but haven't the sensitive lettle fleurs sprouted in my absence. Whether you or I think there is a market is irrelevant. Whether nursery or garden center owners do or don't think there is, or choose an alternative to either greensand or Ironite is their prerogative. Those who know their market on both ends stay in business, those who misjudge it don't. Insisting that they'll indulge the whims of every single customer is just plain silly. the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. Ah, I see the problem. You're defining "reputable garden center" as only those garden centers who adopt business practices approved by polecanoe. My definition is a bit broader. Penelope I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:37:39 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , Billy wrote: A twofer! pwned! hee hee! A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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"polecanoe" wrote in message ... i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Demand it? I wish. They'll just tell me "Sorry, we don't carry it." you don't say where you are from, in my state CT the local NOFA has an annual sale you can also try peaceful valley if you are in CA www.groworganic.com or Fedco seeds in ME www.fedcoseeds.com should have it. I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville. There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the same stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal. We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for small bags and we have several gardens. We are however, picking up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's shredding lot to work into the soil this year. We can't generate enough of our own to compost on only an acre of land. "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "polecanoe" wrote in message ... i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get greensand. They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Exactly. I can't afford to have 10 or 25 lbs of greensand shipped.... on top of the high price they charge for it to start with. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"polecanoe" wrote in message ... If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? It's not that no one needs iron for their soil... they don't know what things like greensand are. the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. They don't have the time. "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:44:47 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? I saw Home Depot selling it, and I know for sure The Natural Gardener in Oak Hill sells it. The Great Outdoors on Congress, It's About Thyme in Taylor, Barton Springs Nursery and Garden Center on Bee Caves Road. Where are you talking about? What city in which state? Oak Hill? Great Outdoors? I can check with our local Home Depot but I have never seen it there. |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:37:39 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , Billy wrote: A twofer! pwned! hee hee! A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. Penelope And I, dumb bunny, only used yours ;O) hee, hee, hee, hee When you used the Dallas Daily or what ever, you just said that you thought, it was the most balanced assesment that you had read. You must have picked some real crap. Bio-nazi wasn't mine. Bio-nazi is what is known as as an invective in literate circles. You brought this to the party and you didn't care who you smeared. You could have said, as Mr. Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead." Why are you here? You can find some other place to jerk-off. Gardening connects to a lot of areas in our lives but calling people Bio-nazis is so . . . "Limbaugh", and invectives have no place in this discussion, unless you have already been smeared with one, as you did to Jangchub. Apparently, others here knew you when you were sane, I don't have that advantage. We have enough potty mouths already, thank you. If you can't express yourself, don't try. Grow-up and contribute or go jerk-off somewhere else. Ironite is poison and you can't even say it. You're freakin' hopeless. You can argue that it is dilute poison but that is . . . You said Bio-nazis, and in doing so, and by implication, you supported a toxic product. Happy now? To me you are just a dumb, trying-to-look-clever bitch. Get real or get lost. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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Marie Dodge said:
They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. Yes, but some things are cheap at twice the price, and sometimes shipping is nowhere near equal to the cost of the item shipped (even these days). Consider Maxicrop seaweed *powder* where you avoid paying to ship water: http://www.arbico-organics.com/1313001.html Get it shipped by priority mail. It's cheaper. (I would have recommended The Eclectic Gardener, as a satisfied customer, but they are sold out of Maxicrop powder. ) http://www.eclectic-gardener.com/maxicroppowder.html I buy this mail order *even though* I have seen liquid kelp on sale locally, because it is so much less expensive (in the long run) to buy the dry powder even considering shipping, and because the dry powder is so much more convenient to store. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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"Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:42:05 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd have problems with things like raccoons and possums. One tablespoon to a gallon of water as a foliar spray along with liquid seaweed. I have opossums and raccoons in my yard and they don't have problems. Mine don't have problems either, I have a problem with them.... they eat my veggies! = O How often are you spraying your garden with the Molasses? They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms and grubs thrive..... Why did you ask a question if you already know the answer? I asked what the issues were, the problems with Ironite since I haven't had any problems using it. Arsenic poisins the central nervous system, likewise copper and lead. I'm not going to say it but... One application of greensand will work for many years, unlike ironite or seaweed which will quickly break down. |
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"Marie Dodge" wrote
I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville. There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the same stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal. I doubt that, though organic supplies are often more difficult to find. It simply requires a little more searching. Have you called these people? They seem to be in your neck of the woods: Dicken's Supply, 814 Cherokee Ave., Nashville, TN 37207 (615) 227-1111 http://www.dickenssupply.com/SOIL%20...NG%20MIXES.htm Here's another company I purchase from. Biocontrol Network 5116 Williamsburg Rd, Brentwood, Tennessee 37027 http://www.biconet.com/index.html Give Eric a jingle, he'll treat you dandy. (800) 441-BUGS (2847) We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for small bags and we have several gardens. You need to find a feed mill that handles grain and livestock feed. A 50lb sack of cotton seed meal $13.75. About the same price for alfalfa meal and close to the same for a 50lb sack of Fertrell green sand. Though I'm still looking for an inexpensive local source for 50lb sacks of feather meal and blood meal. I imagine I could order from the dealer I buy the green sand from, though I haven't tried. We are however, picking up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's shredding lot to work into the soil this year. We can't generate enough of our own to compost on only an acre of land. It certainly is more difficult if the land doesn't produce the needed organic material. Steve Young |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:19:55 -0700, Billy
wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: snipped, as is civilized A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. And I, dumb bunny, only used yours ;O) Well, see, that's the problem. You didn't use my words, you used your own honkin' huge assumptions about what I must have really meant. You assembled a toxic straw man, pretended it was me, and attacked it with spittle a flyin'. Meanwhile, I've been over here, on the sidelines, being amused. Bio-nazi wasn't mine. Wasn't mine, either. Where'd it come from? Bio-nazi is what is known as as an invective in literate circles. You brought this to the party and you didn't care who you smeared. You could have said, as Mr. Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead." Or...more accurately... but frothing is frothing is frothing. Why are you here? You can find some other place to jerk-off. Gardening connects to a lot of areas in our lives but calling people Bio-nazis is so . . . "Limbaugh", Who called anyone a bio-nazi? and invectives have no place in this discussion, ... ....except for when you use them, apparently. unless you have already been smeared with one, as you did to Jangchub. What did I call Jangchub? Ah ah...not what you assumed, not what you imagined...what I actually said. Apparently, others here knew you when you were sane, I don't have that advantage. I'm sure if you get back on your meds, you'll be just fine. We have enough potty mouths already, thank you. If you can't express yourself, don't try. Perhaps you should consider your own advice. Grow-up and contribute or go jerk-off somewhere else. Ironite is poison and you can't even say it. You're freakin' hopeless. You can argue that it is dilute poison but that is . . . You said Bio-nazis, and in doing so, and by implication, you supported a toxic product. See, there's that straw man you've been humping so wildly in post after post. I hope you at least took the poor thing out for dinner first. I will suggest one more time, that you actually read what I wrote. Wipe the spittle and mucus off your screen, and put your assumptions in a box on the top shelf of a dark closet so you're not tempted to take them out and use them. Read all the way to the bottom. Happy now? Deliriously. To me you are just a dumb, trying-to-look-clever bitch. Get real or get lost. Buhuhahahahahahahahah! Penelope I am not slow of mind. However, sometimes I can fall on unintelligent acts. |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:19:55 -0700, Billy wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: snipped, as is civilized A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. And I, dumb bunny, only used yours ;O) Well, see, that's the problem. You didn't use my words, you used your own honkin' huge assumptions about what I must have really meant. You assembled a toxic straw man, pretended it was me, and attacked it with spittle a flyin'. Meanwhile, I've been over here, on the sidelines, being amused. Bio-nazi wasn't mine. Wasn't mine, either. Where'd it come from? Bio-nazi is what is known as as an invective in literate circles. You brought this to the party and you didn't care who you smeared. You could have said, as Mr. Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead." Or...more accurately... but frothing is frothing is frothing. Why are you here? You can find some other place to jerk-off. Gardening connects to a lot of areas in our lives but calling people Bio-nazis is so . . . "Limbaugh", Who called anyone a bio-nazi? and invectives have no place in this discussion, ... ...except for when you use them, apparently. unless you have already been smeared with one, as you did to Jangchub. What did I call Jangchub? Ah ah...not what you assumed, not what you imagined...what I actually said. Apparently, others here knew you when you were sane, I don't have that advantage. I'm sure if you get back on your meds, you'll be just fine. We have enough potty mouths already, thank you. If you can't express yourself, don't try. Perhaps you should consider your own advice. Grow-up and contribute or go jerk-off somewhere else. Ironite is poison and you can't even say it. You're freakin' hopeless. You can argue that it is dilute poison but that is . . . You said Bio-nazis, and in doing so, and by implication, you supported a toxic product. See, there's that straw man you've been humping so wildly in post after post. I hope you at least took the poor thing out for dinner first. I will suggest one more time, that you actually read what I wrote. Wipe the spittle and mucus off your screen, and put your assumptions in a box on the top shelf of a dark closet so you're not tempted to take them out and use them. Read all the way to the bottom. Happy now? Deliriously. To me you are just a dumb, trying-to-look-clever bitch. Get real or get lost. Buhuhahahahahahahahah! Penelope I am not slow of mind. However, sometimes I can fall on unintelligent acts. I have two computers and can reconstruct the entire interaction, go intercourse yourself, dear maternal mutt that you are. Bwaha -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:31:34 -0500, "Marie Dodge"
wrote: "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote: Hi-Yield Copperas I think you would have to go to a nursery, not a big box store to get it. I got it for years from a local organic nursery; but when they retired, I was still able to get it from a more traditional nursery. I would just call a few nurseries or plant stores near where you live and ask if they carry it. Will do but organic gardening isn't all that popular where I live. When I tried to get all organic fertilizers I went into sticker shock. The cost of blood meal and bone meal are astronomical! You'd think it was gold meal. People with small gardens can probably afford such prices, those of us with larger gardens would have to sell our firstborn sons. I understand. There doesn't seem to be much sympathy for people on a budget or people who don't have easy access to organic products; but I understand where you're coming from. Since my fav organic nursery closed two years ago, it's been difficult to get organic products, and no one place seems to carry more than one or two, so I end up driving all over the place. Ad not all the big box stores like Lowe's and Home Depot carry all the same items, so if they don't appear to have a market for organic products in an area, that store won't carry them. Both the Lowe's and the Home Depot nearest me don't carry much in the way of organic products. I have to go to a Home Depot almost 25 miles away to get to one that does, and even then, the choices are limited. It hard work to stay organic around here! I really miss my organic nursery, they were always willing to try and get products that I'd read about on the web, or help me find a suitable alternative. The biggest problem is finding potting soil without any fertilizer in it, but that's a whine for another post. I've learned to make my own potting soil. It's much cheaper than buying it. Us retired people have to watch what we spend. I used to make all my own, but I'm not retired, so free time is the limiting factor for me. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:42:05 -0700, Billy
wrote: I have two computers and can reconstruct the entire interaction, go intercourse yourself, dear maternal mutt that you are. Bwaha But apparently you have difficulty reading it. Hence my suggestion to wipe the spittle off your screen. However, I accept your admission of being in error despite its ungracious nature. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: I understand. There doesn't seem to be much sympathy for people on a budget or people who don't have easy access to organic products; but I understand where you're coming from. I have difficulty with the idea of organic soil amendments that have the word product included. Sure dried blood, bone meal etc. and other products are costly. But is it not a fundamental idea to put back into the soil more than we take out. Aside Bone meal and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease scary. How to do it becomes the issue. Cover crops, manures, anything once alive. I favor wood chips as I get them delivered for free. Then there are the trips about to barber shops to take the waste hair. Making friends with the local high cafeteria folks to take the garbage. Keeping those teaming microbes alive and well so we can eat off the top of the chain. Bill wondering why my eyelid is itching. :)) -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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What is greensand.? Richard M. Watkin, "polecanoe" wrote in message ... "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:42:05 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd have problems with things like raccoons and possums. One tablespoon to a gallon of water as a foliar spray along with liquid seaweed. I have opossums and raccoons in my yard and they don't have problems. Mine don't have problems either, I have a problem with them.... they eat my veggies! = O How often are you spraying your garden with the Molasses? They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms and grubs thrive..... Why did you ask a question if you already know the answer? I asked what the issues were, the problems with Ironite since I haven't had any problems using it. Arsenic poisins the central nervous system, likewise copper and lead. I'm not going to say it but... One application of greensand will work for many years, unlike ironite or seaweed which will quickly break down. |
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"Bill" wrote
Penelope Periwinkle wrote: I understand. There doesn't seem to be much sympathy for people on a budget or people who don't have easy access to organic products; but I understand where you're coming from. I have difficulty with the idea of organic soil amendments that have the word product included. Sure dried blood, bone meal etc. and other products are costly. But is it not a fundamental idea to put back into the soil more than we take out. Aside Bone meal and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease scary. How to do it becomes the issue. Cover crops, manures, anything once alive. I favor wood chips as I get them delivered for free. Then there are the trips about to barber shops to take the waste hair. Making friends with the local high cafeteria folks to take the garbage. And coffee shops for their spent grounds Keeping those teaming microbes alive and well so we can eat off the top of the chain. Not to mention the feast it would provide red worms. http://www.unclejimswormfarm.com/ind...how_aux_page=3 Wouldn't be long before a pound turns into 10 pounds :) Steve Young |
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"R M. Watkin" wrote: Hi All, What is greensand.? Richard M. Watkin, Just So happens greensand is mined 15 miles from here in Marlton, NJ. USA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensand Iıd hazard a guess the town got itıs name from Marl. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marl Iıve got a few hundred pounds of it scattered about from 30 years ago. Breaks down slow I read. Lots of these questions are answered in ³ Encyclopedia of ORGANIC Gardening². http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...ripbooks&field -keywords=Encyclopedia+of+ORGANIC+Gardening&x=11&y= 11 Bill now out to moving chip 75 F on Aug. 21 -- Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA |
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