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I am working on some tree points and would like some feedback, if you
please.

To state that one of the essential "micro" elements, which come from the
soil, is "miner". Would be like stating the right fielder of a professional
baseball team is "miner". You get the point.



Understanding animals, specifically humans, burn glucose as an energy source
or food. And the fact that trees and plants also burn glucose as an energy
source or food, to claim that a product labeled "plant food" is food for a
tree would be the same as saying a bag of fertilizer is food for you.



Wetwood in trees is a niche.


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my understanding is that, even plants suffering from a severe
deficiency of one or more, so called, "minor" micro-nutrients will be
able to survive for quite some time and may even be productive for
human purposes, but will never reach its full potential, where a plant
which is deficient in any of the macro-nutrients won't be able to
survive for long.

does this make any sense?
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Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients. Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts. Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT
ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!! Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source and
an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees. A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols, atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

"Mycosimian" wrote in message
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my understanding is that, even plants suffering from a severe
deficiency of one or more, so called, "minor" micro-nutrients will be
able to survive for quite some time and may even be productive for
human purposes, but will never reach its full potential, where a plant
which is deficient in any of the macro-nutrients won't be able to
survive for long.

does this make any sense?



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symplastless wrote:
Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients. Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts. Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT
ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!! Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source and
an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees. A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols, atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


A tree man, you may be, but I assure you, a chemist, you are not ;(

Frank
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"symplastless" wrote:

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients. Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts. Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT
ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!! Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source and
an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees.

What trees don't have chlorophyl? What plants have enzyme systems that
don't require nitrogen? Enzymes are usually produced from amino acids.
DNA is lousy with nucleic acids (adenine, guanine, cytosine, and
thymine) which in turn have high nitrogen content
A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient.

Oxygen and water aren't nutrients? They don't nurture?
To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols, atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


All of which is pretty much useless unless you understand electron
shells (s, p, d, f), charge separation, and ionic and covalent bonding.

Get an introductory book for chemistry like
"Introduction to Chemistry for Biology Students, An (9th Edition)
(Paperback) by George I. Sackheim (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-C...ts-9th/dp/0805
395717/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221440534&sr= 1-1

Ask the library or maybe a chem teacher for a recommendation of a book.
Maybe you can find a chem teacher who will let you audit their class.

Frank is right. No one is going to mistake you for a chemist. Your
understanding of chemistry sounds as if it came out of a Marvel comic
book. It is a mean thing to say, but you embarrass yourself when
you talk about things of which you have only a vague understanding.
Sorry, I forgot, you can't be embarrassed.

If your going to give advice about chemistry, first learn about it.
But you can't learn, can you?
And I've just wasted my time (
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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I am working on some tree points and would like some feedback, if you
please.

To state that one of the essential "micro" elements, which come from the
soil, is "miner". Would be like stating the right fielder of a
professional baseball team is "miner". You get the point.



Understanding animals, specifically humans, burn glucose as an energy
source or food. And the fact that trees and plants also burn glucose as
an energy source or food, to claim that a product labeled "plant food" is
food for a tree would be the same as saying a bag of fertilizer is food
for you.



Wetwood in trees is a niche.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and
other abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.



"miner"???????????????????

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Thanks for all of your feed back!


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www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

"C Fiske" wrote in message
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symplastless;815605 Wrote:
I am working on some tree points and would like some feedback, if you
please.

To state that one of the essential "micro" elements, which come from
the
soil, is "miner". Would be like stating the right fielder of a
professional
baseball team is "miner". You get the point.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist

.


For the benefit of all us poorly educated people who cannot reach the
dizzy heights of consultant status;-

Miner - person who works in a mine.

Minor - lesser; not very important, person not yet legally of adult
age.




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symplastless;815605 Wrote:
I am working on some tree points and would like some feedback, if you
please.

To state that one of the essential "micro" elements, which come from
the
soil, is "miner". Would be like stating the right fielder of a
professional
baseball team is "miner". You get the point.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist

.


For the benefit of all us poorly educated people who cannot reach the
dizzy heights of consultant status;-

Miner - person who works in a mine.

Minor - lesser; not very important, person not yet legally of adult
age.


Hey, you just described the yard boy!


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I am working on some tree points and would like some feedback, if you
please.

To state that one of the essential "micro" elements, which come from the
soil, is "miner". Would be like stating the right fielder of a professional
baseball team is "miner". You get the point.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist

.
For the benefit of all us poorly educated people who cannot reach the dizzy heights of consultant status;-

Miner - person who works in a mine.

Minor - lesser; not very important, person not yet legally of adult age.
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"symplastless" wrote in message
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Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements.


Nonsense. They absorb ions and molecules.

Not nutrients. Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen.


There is no elemental Calcium in the environment for them to absorb but they
can absorb Calcium ions. No macroscopic plant is capable of absorbing
elemental Nitrogen as it isn't present in the atmosphere. Nor can they
absorb molecular nitrogen which is.

Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts. Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT
ABSORB NUTRIENTS.


By your idiosyncratic definition possibly so but who cares as you are the
only one who uses it.

Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!! Elements are single groups of
atoms of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source
and an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll
containing trees.


You may have defined it out of existence but most people would say that as
the chlorophyll molecule contains nitrogen atoms and that trees absorb such
nitrogen atoms in the form of nitrogen compounds then in some sense it is a
nutrient.

But didn't you just say that trees absorb elements? Make up your mind do
they or don't they?

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols,
atomic numbers and atomic weight.


You cannot grasp the basics of chemistry and you want us to go and read the
periodic table? It clearly did nothing for you.


David




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David Hare-Scott wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
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Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements.


Nonsense. They absorb ions and molecules.

Not nutrients. Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen.


There is no elemental Calcium in the environment for them to absorb but they
can absorb Calcium ions. No macroscopic plant is capable of absorbing
elemental Nitrogen as it isn't present in the atmosphere. Nor can they
absorb molecular nitrogen which is.

Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts. Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT
ABSORB NUTRIENTS.


By your idiosyncratic definition possibly so but who cares as you are the
only one who uses it.

Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!! Elements are single groups of
atoms of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source
and an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll
containing trees.


You may have defined it out of existence but most people would say that as
the chlorophyll molecule contains nitrogen atoms and that trees absorb such
nitrogen atoms in the form of nitrogen compounds then in some sense it is a
nutrient.

But didn't you just say that trees absorb elements? Make up your mind do
they or don't they?

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols,
atomic numbers and atomic weight.


You cannot grasp the basics of chemistry and you want us to go and read the
periodic table? It clearly did nothing for you.


David


We all know that certain plants can absorb nitrogen from the air and
"fix" it, or convert to ammonia which other plants use. Wiki says it is
bacteria and not the plant itself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_fixation

But as you, Billy and me are pointing out, this is not the place to
start teaching chemistry.

Frank
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On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients.


I am afraid you don't know what you're talking about. My copy of
_Biology_ by Campbell & Reece (7 ed., pretty much the standard
university general bio textbook) lists these forms of nutrients as
they are available to plants (note that the nutrients listed ARE
elements- but most are not available to plants in elemental form):

Nutrient Form available to plants

Carbon CO2
Oxygen CO2
Hydrogen H2O
Nitrogen NO3-, NH4+
Phosphorus H2PO4-, HPO4(2-)
Sulfur So4(2-)
Boron H2Bo3-
Molybdenum MoO4(2-)



Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts.


Nonsense. Consider humans: we require energy, hydrogen, and oxygen.
Lipids are nutrients. By your logic, a saturated fat is the best
possible source of energy, oxygen and hydrogen, since it contains more
of those than an unsaturated fat. There's no best or worst here-
things are more or less nutritious, but if something is not as
nutritious as something else, that doesn't disqualify it.

Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT


Nonsense. Energy IS a nutrient. Elements ARE nutrients. Vitamins ARE
nutrients.

ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!!


Um, someone around here is ignorant, for sure.

Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source and


Vitamins contain no energy source. Did you know that? The majority of
enzymes function as coenzymes and are needed to catalyze particular
biochemical reactions. Water is a nutrient, yet provides no energy.

an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees.


You're nuts. Nitrogen is a macronutrient- it is needed in large
quantities.

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols, atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


Try cracking a general biology book.

Chris



--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologistwww.treedictionary.com
andhttp://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.

"Mycosimian" wrote in message

...

my understanding is that, even plants suffering from a severe
deficiency of one or more, so called, "minor" micro-nutrients will be
able to survive for quite some time and may even be productive for
human purposes, but will never reach its full potential, where a plant
which is deficient in any of the macro-nutrients won't be able to
survive for long.


does this make any sense?


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"Chris" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients.


I am afraid you don't know what you're talking about. My copy of
_Biology_ by Campbell & Reece (7 ed., pretty much the standard
university general bio textbook) lists these forms of nutrients as
they are available to plants (note that the nutrients listed ARE
elements- but most are not available to plants in elemental form):

Nutrient Form available to plants

Carbon CO2
Oxygen CO2
Hydrogen H2O
Nitrogen NO3-, NH4+
Phosphorus H2PO4-, HPO4(2-)
Sulfur So4(2-)
Boron H2Bo3-
Molybdenum MoO4(2-)



Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts.


Nonsense. Consider humans: we require energy, hydrogen, and oxygen.
Lipids are nutrients. By your logic, a saturated fat is the best
possible source of energy, oxygen and hydrogen, since it contains more
of those than an unsaturated fat. There's no best or worst here-
things are more or less nutritious, but if something is not as
nutritious as something else, that doesn't disqualify it.

Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT


Nonsense. Energy IS a nutrient. Elements ARE nutrients. Vitamins ARE
nutrients.

ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!!


Um, someone around here is ignorant, for sure.

Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source
and


Vitamins contain no energy source. Did you know that? The majority of
enzymes function as coenzymes and are needed to catalyze particular
biochemical reactions. Water is a nutrient, yet provides no energy.

an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees.


You're nuts. Nitrogen is a macronutrient- it is needed in large
quantities.

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols,
atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


Try cracking a general biology book.

Chris

Go eat a bag or fertilizer then if it is a nutrient.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
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"Chris" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients.


I am afraid you don't know what you're talking about. My copy of
_Biology_ by Campbell & Reece (7 ed., pretty much the standard
university general bio textbook) lists these forms of nutrients as
they are available to plants (note that the nutrients listed ARE
elements- but most are not available to plants in elemental form):

Nutrient Form available to plants

Carbon CO2
Oxygen CO2
Hydrogen H2O
Nitrogen NO3-, NH4+
Phosphorus H2PO4-, HPO4(2-)
Sulfur So4(2-)
Boron H2Bo3-
Molybdenum MoO4(2-)



Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts.


Nonsense. Consider humans: we require energy, hydrogen, and oxygen.
Lipids are nutrients. By your logic, a saturated fat is the best
possible source of energy, oxygen and hydrogen, since it contains more
of those than an unsaturated fat. There's no best or worst here-
things are more or less nutritious, but if something is not as
nutritious as something else, that doesn't disqualify it.

Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT


Nonsense. Energy IS a nutrient. Elements ARE nutrients. Vitamins ARE
nutrients.

ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!!


Um, someone around here is ignorant, for sure.

Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source
and


Vitamins contain no energy source. Did you know that? The majority of
enzymes function as coenzymes and are needed to catalyze particular
biochemical reactions. Water is a nutrient, yet provides no energy.

an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees.


You're nuts. Nitrogen is a macronutrient- it is needed in large
quantities.

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols,
atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


Try cracking a general biology book.

Chris

Please define:

element

nutrient

food

please explain the difference.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
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"Chris" wrote in message
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On Sep 14, 7:40 pm, "symplastless" wrote:
Thank you for your input.

I do not know what you mean when you say nutrient? Are you referring to
essential elements? A tree cannot absorb a nutrient, rather they absorb
elements. Not nutrients.


I am afraid you don't know what you're talking about. My copy of
_Biology_ by Campbell & Reece (7 ed., pretty much the standard
university general bio textbook) lists these forms of nutrients as
they are available to plants (note that the nutrients listed ARE
elements- but most are not available to plants in elemental form):

Nutrient Form available to plants

Carbon CO2
Oxygen CO2
Hydrogen H2O
Nitrogen NO3-, NH4+
Phosphorus H2PO4-, HPO4(2-)
Sulfur So4(2-)
Boron H2Bo3-
Molybdenum MoO4(2-)



Elements are single groups of atoms of the same
kind such as calcium and nitrogen. Nutrients are substances that contain
the essentials for life, in the best amounts.


Nonsense. Consider humans: we require energy, hydrogen, and oxygen.
Lipids are nutrients. By your logic, a saturated fat is the best
possible source of energy, oxygen and hydrogen, since it contains more
of those than an unsaturated fat. There's no best or worst here-
things are more or less nutritious, but if something is not as
nutritious as something else, that doesn't disqualify it.

Nutrients contain an energy
source, elements, vitamins, and other essentials for life. PLANTS CANNOT


Nonsense. Energy IS a nutrient. Elements ARE nutrients. Vitamins ARE
nutrients.

ABSORB NUTRIENTS. Saying you feed plants with plant food, calling
fertilizers food, and saying that plants absorb nutrients indicate an
absolute ignorance of photosynthesis!!


Um, someone around here is ignorant, for sure.

Elements are single groups of atoms
of the same kind such as calcium and nitrogen.
A nutrient is a substance that contains an element with an energy source
and


Vitamins contain no energy source. Did you know that? The majority of
enzymes function as coenzymes and are needed to catalyze particular
biochemical reactions. Water is a nutrient, yet provides no energy.

an element without. Nitrogen is NOT a nutrient for chlorophyll containing
trees.


You're nuts. Nitrogen is a macronutrient- it is needed in large
quantities.

A substance that is very high in elements and energy it is called a
nutrient. To make this clear, please allow me to share this with you.
Essential elements. Look at your chart of Atomic Properties of elements.
(Not the Atomic Properties of nutrients) That's where you will find your
elements.

If you look on page 373 in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate® Dictionary, Tenth
Edition you will find a list of Chemical Elements as well as symbols,
atomic
numbers and atomic weight.


Try cracking a general biology book.

Chris

I have A NEW TREE BIOLOGY BOOK in front of me now. It is a clearly defined
book with its own dictionary. Not so you have to agree with the definition,
but you will know what is being said. The way you loosely use terms, I
could not understand a thing you just wrote.

You said trees absorb nutrients and you then say everything is a nutrient?
Very confusing. Thanks for reminding me how silly the English language is.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Watch out for so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, tornado's, volcanic eruptions and other
abiotic forces keep reminding humans that they are not the boss.


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