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jgalt 01-11-2008 10:49 AM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

That's it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of his political ilk, will,
and take this as a FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.
Already his strongmen are trying to silence the press. Newspapers that
endorsed McCain have been punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose only crime was that he
spoke his mind, IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data bases to try to
discredit poor Joe.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview of what the Commander
and Thief will bring to America.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly deserve the country that
you are going to get. Mark my words.

Paul E. Lehmann[_2_] 01-11-2008 11:39 AM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people who
earned it and giving it to people who did NOT
earn it.

That's it.


Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from those
who really do work hard and earn it and give it
to those who don't work hard, don't earn it and
already have plenty of money. The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.


Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence the
press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain have been
punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose
only crime was that he spoke his mind,
IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data
bases to try to discredit poor Joe.


Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not a
crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is a
pathological LIAR. He does not make enough money
to buy the plumbing business he works for and
even if he could, it does not bring in revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know that
if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the business,
Obama's tax plan would put more money in his
pocket to do so.


Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.


Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a friend.


If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.



Keith nuttle 01-11-2008 12:10 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people who
earned it and giving it to people who did NOT
earn it.

That's it.


Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from those
who really do work hard and earn it and give it
to those who don't work hard, don't earn it and
already have plenty of money. The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.


Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence the
press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain have been
punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose
only crime was that he spoke his mind,
IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data
bases to try to discredit poor Joe.


Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not a
crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is a
pathological LIAR. He does not make enough money
to buy the plumbing business he works for and
even if he could, it does not bring in revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know that
if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the business,
Obama's tax plan would put more money in his
pocket to do so.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.


Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a friend.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.


Does any one know if obama has been told what his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution? biden has already shown he does not know
with his comments on Cheney and his participation as the head of the Senate.

Meteorite Debris 01-11-2008 12:18 PM

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Last time that great scribe jgalt chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.


You misspelt Paulson.

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wordsmith 01-11-2008 12:33 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700, someone posting as jgalt purportedly
wrote:

horseshit snipped

You really need to **** off and go grow a brain. Best get used to the
sound of "President Obama" unless of course "you love the terrorists more
than you love America". Yes this kind of negative talk about the
President could certainly be of interest to Mr. Bush's Homeland Security
people. I'd be minding my manners if I were you.

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Paul E. Lehmann[_2_] 01-11-2008 12:46 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Keith nuttle wrote:

Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
jgalt wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people
who earned it and giving it to people who did
NOT earn it.

That's it.


Hardy har har. McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from
those who really do work hard and earn it and
give it to those who don't work hard, don't
earn it and already have plenty of money. The
progressive tax system has been the law of the
land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.


Another hardy har har. You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.

Already his strongmen are trying to silence
the press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain
have been punished by being removed from the
Obama campaign plane. Poor old Joe the
Plumber, whose only crime was that he spoke
his mind, IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the
Obama attack machine, which ILLEGALLY used
government data bases to try to discredit poor
Joe.


Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed
such
as failure to pay his taxes. And, although not
a crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is
a pathological LIAR. He does not make enough
money to buy the plumbing business he works for
and even if he could, it does not bring in
revenue in
excess of $250K. The dumb shit should know
that if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the
business, Obama's tax plan would put more money
in his pocket to do so.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.


Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a
friend.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.


Does any one know if obama has been told what
his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution? biden has already
shown he does not know with his comments on
Cheney and his participation as the head of the
Senate.


I think you are confusing Sarah with Biden. Sarah
CLEARLY has shown she has absolutely NO idea of
the role of Vice President, especially in
relationship with the Senate.

Brian Whatcott 01-11-2008 01:03 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700 (PDT), jgalt
wrote:

... Poor old Joe the Plumber....


If a guy who only loses out tax wise, if he makes more than a quarter
mill every year, is a "poor old Joe"; can I be a "poor ol' Brian".
Please?
Please?
:-)

Brian W


clouddreamer 01-11-2008 01:07 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
jgalt wrote:
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.



What? You mean like McCain wanted to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM

And don't forget Sarah Palin "spreading the wealth"

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Brian Whatcott 01-11-2008 01:08 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:10:26 -0400, Keith nuttle
wrote:

...
Does any one know if obama has been told what his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution?


Geez! I'm an independent, and I could vote either way, but idjits who
don't know that Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at Chicago
(fer Criss sake!), ought to realise there is no president for the last
140 years who knows MORE about consititutional law than he does.

Oh hell. Dumb rednecks cluster in the Republican wing. That's it: I'm
voting Dem.

Brian W

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 02:44 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700 in
, jgalt
wrote:

No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama



yawn



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Dioclese 01-11-2008 03:12 PM

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"jgalt" wrote in message
...
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

This is not appropriate for this newsgroup. However, it does bring up a
question regarding the perspective of those that do not pay taxes. I'm
trying to find out exactly what that phrase means when used in political
campaigns and such. I take it it means that such receive some form of
public assistance in regards to income, and, it also means a wage earner
received all his/her taxes paid thoughout the year via an income tax return
check per their filed income tax return.

My perspective: I'm in my mid 50s regarding age. I've worked since I was
16 part-time, then full-time since I was 19. I was in the U.S. military for
20 years, then, went back to working a regular job. My income has always
been less than the middle of the middle income bracket except for 2 years of
my life. One year, my current ex-wife, and one child and I were considered
borderline poverty level, with that one exception where I did not pay any
taxes as I received all taxes paid via my employer via income tax return
check. I've paid into the U.S. Treasury without full return of all my via
employer paid taxes otherwise.

My feeling is that the vast majority of working folks, like myself, do end
up paying federal income taxes as a net result after the income tax return
is filed.

Further, I feel that most folks don't know about their neighbors and folks
like them and who, in the final net analysis actually pay Federal income
tax. Especially those trying to compare folks in widely varied tax
brackets. They assume incorrectly. As a result, there's breeding ground
for dividing people and using those invalid assumptions as motive for
political gain by fostering those notions. There's a variety of notions in
this formula that are really just false assumptions. Lower income working
folks (all 3 subgroups inclusive in these) dont pay Federal income taxes in
the final, net analysis is one of them. Another notion on the lower income
group's perspective is the higher income group has full Federal income tax
payment prevention by way of tax law. Such is a notion taken advantage of
by the opposing polical party. The people in the middle, middle income
taxpayers who are also voters, are asked to determine, by their own notions,
which perspective is correct (if both correct, which is most correct) for
that particular election cycle.

My perspective is that a person needs hard data to make such determination
of who is actually paying taxes, and if so, how much. I don't see why the
IRS, by gross ncome level brackets vs. taxes actually paid, with a line item
noting percentage of income actually taxes paid, can't produce figures for a
basis of a logical decision of which notion is actually most correct. And a
concurrent table showing how that's changed over the years noting the U.S.
governemt designated poverty level in a given tax year for each year that
table is provided for year to year comparison's sake. Nope, ain't gonna
happen. Did you ever wonder why?
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Steve Lusardi 01-11-2008 03:48 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do
not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry
about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively
uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's
propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of
course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me.
Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the
morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the
rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do
not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates,
you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the
general population.

Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free
lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come
from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that
there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they
may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already
in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If
you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit
card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in
debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in
the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly.
Steve


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DanielSan 01-11-2008 03:57 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Steve Lusardi wrote:
I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do
not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry
about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively
uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's
propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of
course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me.
Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the
morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the
rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do
not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates,
you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the
general population.

Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free
lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come
from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that
there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they
may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already
in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If
you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit
card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in
debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in
the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly.
Steve


I agree. However, there's one problem with that:

The American politick is a "first passed the post, winner takes all"
system, which pretty much guarantees a two-party system. As such, and
because political advertising is NOT free, it also guarantees that only
the richest candidates can even make it TO that "post".

However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama is
getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of contributors.
He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money
from the RNC.

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote
for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that
this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):

I am voting for Barack Obama on November 4.


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mmc 01-11-2008 05:07 PM

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"wordsmith" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700, someone posting as jgalt purportedly
wrote:

horseshit snipped

You really need to **** off and go grow a brain.


I'd betcha that's not going to happen soon.



paghat[_2_] 01-11-2008 07:30 PM

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This thread was started by a stealth Obama supporter who wants us to
believe anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his own
shoes.

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[email protected] 01-11-2008 07:32 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Nov 1, 6:07*am, clouddreamer
wrote:
jgalt wrote:
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.


What? You mean like McCain wanted to:


Still can't get over your God's idiotic "spread the wealth around"
comment? Continue crying and sobbing, infant :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM

And don't forget Sarah Palin "spreading the wealth"

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Bill Kearney[_2_] 01-11-2008 08:22 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote
for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that
this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):


Because he has no experience, has never authored and passed legislation and
will turn to entrenched democrat political machinery (of the despicable
Chicago kind) for all his work?

That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big picture.
The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your myopia.


Bill Kearney[_2_] 01-11-2008 08:23 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 

"paghat" wrote in message
...
This thread was started by a stealth Obama supporter who wants us to
believe anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his own
shoes.


But Obama will fund a gov't program to tie them for you, so why bother?


June 01-11-2008 08:30 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed
head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money
jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois
legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character
and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this:



What if things were switched around.....think about it. Would the
country's collective point of view be different?
Could racism be the culprit? Ponder the following:



What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating
class as did John McCain?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe
disfiguring car accident, which McCain did.?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while
he was still married, which McCain did.?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to
pain
killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable
organization, instead of Cindy McCain?


What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five and been chastised
by his peers, as was McCain.?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of
corruption
in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger
Savings
and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many
occasions, a serious anger management problem, including calling his
wife a c**t in front of a group of reporters?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their millions from beer
distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?


What if Obama was 72 years old with 4 bouts of cancer behind him,who
is periodically showing signs of confusion because of what some have
said is the onset of dementia, and irresponsibly picked the least
qualified VP choice and without even properly vetting her, as did
McCain.

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality,
do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they
are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities
in
another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political
Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester (left because she didn't like
the weather)
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices
in
the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.


June

clouddreamer 01-11-2008 08:32 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Bill Kearney wrote:
Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however,
vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note
that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):


Because he has no experience, has never authored and passed legislation
and will turn to entrenched democrat political machinery (of the
despicable Chicago kind) for all his work?

That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big
picture. The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your
myopia.


Lincoln had no experience either. We all know how that turned out.

George Bush had executive experience. We all know how that turned out.


Frankly, the fact that Obama has run one of the most exceptionally
successful campaigns in history while McCain's campaign has floundered
miserably, says more about Obama's ability to lead the US than anything
else.

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June 01-11-2008 08:41 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Steve, we are the only free, industrialized country without universal
health care. Countries with less wealth that the US can provide their
citizens with proper care and so should the US. There is way too much
waste in government. Illegal wars, like Iraq which costing something
like ten billion a month, and that's estimated to cost trillions
before we're done are just a few things that are using Americans hard
earned tax dollars unwisely and immorally.

Americans pay over 40% of their hard earned money in various obvious
and hidden taxes and yet get less back in goods and services than any
other modern, free, industrialized country in the world.

It's time for true change - a vert smart, calm, non divisive,
respected man who can bring this country together, bring America back
to the good reputation she once held world wide and end this illegal
and immoral war in Iraq.

In the past 8 years the percentage of wealth in the hands of the
wealthy has skyrocketed and the percentage of income (buying power),
in the average person has dropped greatly.

It's said a country gets the leaders it deserves based on the level of
consciousness of its citizens. I hope enough Americans have grown
spiritually, emotionally and intellectually, to elect a person who has
their best interest and the world's at heart - Obama.


Regards,
June

Douglas Berry 01-11-2008 09:28 PM

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:49:37 -0500 Jangchub
carved the following into the hard stone of alt.atheism

Wait, Palin went to five colleges to get her degree in what, who
knows.


Jounalism. She wanted to be a sports reporter and ended up a weather
girl.

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Paul E. Lehmann[_2_] 01-11-2008 09:34 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Bill Kearney wrote:

Let me be clear: I do not trust either
candidate. I will, however, vote for the
person that I believe will be the better of the
two (note that this isn't a "lesser of two
evils" argument):


Because he has no experience,


And George W. Bush's experience was???

has never authored
and passed legislation and will turn to
entrenched democrat political machinery (of the
despicable Chicago kind) for all his work?


And George W. Bush turned to the Neo Cons and the
Jewish Cabal forming his foreign policy. Me
thinks I will choose the Chicago gang. The
trains in Chicago run on time!!!


That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too
blind to see the big picture. The country, and
likely the world, will be worse off for your
myopia.



paghat[_2_] 01-11-2008 09:34 PM

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In article
, June
wrote:

You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed
head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money
jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois
legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character
and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this:



What if things were switched around.....think about it. Would the
country's collective point of view be different?
Could racism be the culprit? Ponder the following:



What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating
class as did John McCain?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe
disfiguring car accident, which McCain did.?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while
he was still married, which McCain did.?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to
pain
killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable
organization, instead of Cindy McCain?


What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five and been chastised
by his peers, as was McCain.?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of
corruption
in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger
Savings
and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many
occasions, a serious anger management problem, including calling his
wife a c**t in front of a group of reporters?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their millions from beer
distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?


What if Obama was 72 years old with 4 bouts of cancer behind him,who
is periodically showing signs of confusion because of what some have
said is the onset of dementia, and irresponsibly picked the least
qualified VP choice and without even properly vetting her, as did
McCain.

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality,
do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they
are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities
in
another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political
Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester (left because she didn't like
the weather)
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices
in
the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.


June



Spectacular post! Thanks.

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Paul E. Lehmann[_2_] 01-11-2008 09:36 PM

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Bill Kearney wrote:


"paghat" wrote in
message

...
This thread was started by a stealth Obama
supporter who wants us to believe anyone who
doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his
own shoes.


But Obama will fund a gov't program to tie them
for you, so why bother?


You mean like the current Bush program that is
going to permit CEOs of failed banks to receive
BONUSES with tax payer dollares!!!!

Paul E. Lehmann[_2_] 01-11-2008 09:39 PM

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Douglas Berry wrote:

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:49:37 -0500 Jangchub
carved the following into
the hard stone of alt.atheism

Wait, Palin went to five colleges to get her
degree in what, who knows.


Jounalism. She wanted to be a sports reporter
and ended up a weather girl.


I wonder which course taught her that man and
dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time :-)



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Tom 01-11-2008 09:43 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Nov 1, 5:49*am, jgalt wrote:
No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama
enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.

That's it.

That is Obama's "qualification" for higher office.

Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of his political ilk, will,
and take this as a FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.
Already his strongmen are trying to silence the press. Newspapers that
endorsed McCain have been punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose only crime was that he
spoke his mind, IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data bases to try to
discredit poor Joe.

Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview of what the Commander
and Thief will bring to America.

If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly deserve the country that
you are going to get. Mark my words.



And of course, you have proof of this thievery.

I can't wait to see it so I can say because of you, I will vote for
McCain.

Bring it on... change my vote.

Tom

Tom 01-11-2008 09:45 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Nov 1, 7:10*am, Keith nuttle wrote:
Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
jgalt wrote:


No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the
Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room.
Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's
ONLY skill has been taking money from people who
earned it and giving it to people who did NOT
earn it.


That's it.


Hardy har har. *McLame and the Re-puke-licans
re-distribution game is to take money from those
who really do work hard and earn it and give it
to those who don't work hard, don't earn it and
already have plenty of money. The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. *Get over it.


That is Obama's "qualification" for higher
office.


Apart from stealing money, Obama, like all of
his political ilk, will, and take this as a
FACT, steal freedoms from the American people.


Another hardy har har. *You say this after the
Bush administration, with the help of McShame,
instituted spying on US Citizens and declared
anyone who disagree with them as "unpatriotic"
Surely you jest.


Already his strongmen are trying to silence the
press. Newspapers that endorsed McCain have been
punished by being removed from the Obama
campaign plane. Poor old Joe the Plumber, whose
only crime was that he spoke his mind,
IMMEDIATELY became a victim of the Obama attack
machine, which ILLEGALLY used government data
bases to try to discredit poor Joe.


Well, Joe does have other crimes he committed such
as failure to pay his taxes. *And, although not a
crime, he is NOT a licensed plumber and he is a
pathological LIAR. He does not make enough money
to buy the plumbing business he works for and
even if he could, it does not bring in revenue in
excess of $250K. *The dumb shit should know that
if he EVER hopes to afford to buy the business,
Obama's tax plan would put more money in his
pocket to do so.


Look to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela for a preview
of what the Commander and Thief will bring to
America.


Look at Gordon Liddy, an American home grown
terrorist who McShame is pround to call a friend.


If you vote for this monstrosity, you truly
deserve the country that you are going to get.
Mark my words.


Does any one know if obama has been told what his responsibilities would
be under the Constitution? *biden has already shown he does not know
with his comments on Cheney and his participation as the head of the Senate.



Uh, don't you mean Palin? She wants to run the Senate and push through
legislation.

Obama is a Constitutional scholar, so it hardly seems necessary for
someone to tell him what the responsibilities of the Presidency are.

Tom

Zoot 01-11-2008 09:50 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 

"June" wrote in message
...
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed
head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money
jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois
legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character
and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this:


His intelligence and education do NOT make him qualified to be president.
Electing someone solely because they look good, sound good, smell good, and
is one of the intelluctual elite is a recipe for disastor. Hitler looked
good, sounded good, smelled good, and look what he did?



clouddreamer[_2_] 01-11-2008 09:54 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Zoot wrote:
"June" wrote in message
...
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed
head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money
jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois
legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character
and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this:


His intelligence and education do NOT make him qualified to be president.
Electing someone solely because they look good, sound good, smell good, and
is one of the intelluctual elite is a recipe for disastor. Hitler looked
good, sounded good, smelled good, and look what he did?



Bush was "educated." What does that say?

The fact that Obama has run an exceptionally successful campaign
compared to McCain's miserable failure says more than enough about which
man is qualified to be president.

..

--

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCYW4ScUnw

Zoot 01-11-2008 09:58 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
His intelligence and education do NOT make him qualified to be president.
Electing someone solely because they look good, sound good, smell good,
and is one of the intelluctual elite is a recipe for disastor. Hitler
looked good, sounded good, smelled good, and look what he did?


Bush was "educated." What does that say?

The fact that Obama has run an exceptionally successful campaign compared
to McCain's miserable failure says more than enough about which man is
qualified to be president.


It seems to support my claim that education alone is not a qualification to
be president. As for Obama and his successful campaign - you can't say his
campaign is successful until he is actually president. Otherwise it's not
sucessful. Likewise, McCain has not miserably failed until Obama is
president. Which just might happen...

On the subject of sucessfull campaigns - how does that make anyone qualified
to be president? I would think that convincing people to vote for you has
next to nothing to do with being qualified to be president.



clouddreamer[_2_] 01-11-2008 10:07 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Zoot wrote:
His intelligence and education do NOT make him qualified to be president.
Electing someone solely because they look good, sound good, smell good,
and is one of the intelluctual elite is a recipe for disastor. Hitler
looked good, sounded good, smelled good, and look what he did?

Bush was "educated." What does that say?

The fact that Obama has run an exceptionally successful campaign compared
to McCain's miserable failure says more than enough about which man is
qualified to be president.


It seems to support my claim that education alone is not a qualification to
be president. As for Obama and his successful campaign - you can't say his
campaign is successful until he is actually president. Otherwise it's not
sucessful. Likewise, McCain has not miserably failed until Obama is
president. Which just might happen...


McCain has less than a 3% chance of winning. EVs have Obama ahead
WITHOUT the toss up states. His win is a foregone conclusion at this time.

And McCain's campaign has been a disaster. He promised an honourable
campaign, we got fear and smears. He has run out of money and can't even
afford to put boots on the ground on Tuesday since he has put it all
into ads this weekend. His campaign office across the country are manned
by one or two people or are closed. He is only getting a few thousand at
rallies....

Obama is swimming in contributions (and didn't he refuse public money?).
His offices are turning away volunteers. His rally in St. Louis sported
100,000 people to McCain's 2000.

McCain has lost. The writing is on the wall....to those that WANT to see it.


On the subject of sucessfull campaigns - how does that make anyone qualified
to be president? I would think that convincing people to vote for you has
next to nothing to do with being qualified to be president.



Says plenty. Just because you're too blinded by ideology to understand
how running a HUGELY successful campaign makes one a leader doesn't mean
he isn't.

..

--

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCYW4ScUnw

Larry[_6_] 01-11-2008 10:17 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in
:

The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG
time now. Get over it.


I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or name of the US LAW that says
I have to pay Income Tax on my wages?

Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

Go ahead, we'll wait.............(sound of crickets chirping)

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME TAX, an UNAPPORTIONED,
Unconstitutional tax on labor.

You need to sit and watch Aaron Russo's "America - Freedom to Fascism" for
free on YouTube....all 13 parts of it.


Larry[_6_] 01-11-2008 10:23 PM

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Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

Oh hell. Dumb rednecks cluster in the Republican wing. That's it: I'm
voting Dem.

Brian W


I was all set to proudly click OBAMA's name on the hacked up Diebold
machine, but the other day someone posted a poll on who the JEWS supported
and it was heavily Obama. I asked myself why. BUSH is their lapdog that
attacked two of their enemies for them. I was under the impression Obama
wanted to bring the American troops working for Israel HOME! That would
have made him Israel's worst enemy.

Why are they heavily voting FOR him? What has he promised Isreal?



clouddreamer[_2_] 01-11-2008 10:24 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
Larry wrote:
Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

Oh hell. Dumb rednecks cluster in the Republican wing. That's it: I'm
voting Dem.

Brian W


I was all set to proudly click OBAMA's name on the hacked up Diebold
machine, but the other day someone posted a poll on who the JEWS supported
and it was heavily Obama. I asked myself why. BUSH is their lapdog that
attacked two of their enemies for them. I was under the impression Obama
wanted to bring the American troops working for Israel HOME! That would
have made him Israel's worst enemy.

Why are they heavily voting FOR him? What has he promised Isreal?



They're not voting for Obama for any particular reason.

They're voting AGAINST McCain.

..


--

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCYW4ScUnw

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 10:42 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:17:32 +0000 in
, Larry wrote:

"Paul E. Lehmann" wrote in
:

The progressive tax
system has been the law of the land for a LONG time now. Get over it.


I'll bite. What's the Title/Code reference or name of the US LAW that
says I have to pay Income Tax on my wages?

Cite SPECIFIC LAW, not the bogus IRS code.

Go ahead, we'll wait.............(sound of crickets chirping)

There is NO LAW that requires you to pay INCOME TAX,


Except there is.

Hint: try to sneak a lot of K-Y into jail with you, you'll need it...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Nine out of ten priests who have tried Camels, prefer young boys.

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 10:44 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700 in
, jgalt
wrote:

Obama's ONLY
skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to
people who did NOT earn it.


You mean like Palin, governor of The People's Republic of Alaska?



--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
"The larger the mob, the harder the test....when the
field is nationwide...then all the odds are on the man
who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--
the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the
notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

"The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men.
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people.

"We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their
heart's desire at last, and the White House will be
adorned by a downright moron."

- H. L. Mencken

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 11:01 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:34:15 -0400 in
, "Paul E. Lehmann"
wrote:

Bill Kearney wrote:

Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however,
vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note
that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument):


Because he has no experience,


And George W. Bush's experience was???


Um, running a bunch of businesses into the ground then being governor in
a state that has a constitution that makes the position weak to the point
it's almost a figure head (I live in Texas, it's true, governor is a weak
position under the old 1876 constitution).



--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“A national political campaign is better than the best
circus ever heard of, with a mass baptism and a couple
of hangings thrown in. ”

- H. L. Mencken

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 11:02 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:30:55 -0700 in
, June
wrote:

You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed head
of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money jobs
offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois legislature
and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character and
intelligence.


Yeah but can he see Russia from his house?

Huh? HUH?



--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“Theology is the effort to explain the unknowable
in terms of the not worth knowing.”

- H. L. Mencken

Mark K. Bilbo 01-11-2008 11:03 PM

Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
 
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:50:29 -0700 in
, "Zoot" wrote:

"June" wrote in message
news:ea29fcf0-e4ad-4351-a34c-

...
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed
head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money
jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught
constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois
legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character
and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this:


His intelligence and education do NOT make him qualified to be
president.


So you want one without intelligence and education maybe?



--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“It is often argued that religion is valuable because
it makes men good, but even if this were true it would
not be a proof that religion is true. That would be
an extension of pragmatism beyond endurance.
Santa Claus makes children good in precisely the same
way, and yet no one would argue seriously that the
fact proves his existence. The defense of religion is
full of such logical imbecilities.”

- H. L. Mencken


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