In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

"Bill" wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you. A
tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous... 30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling away
at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will cause
it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if
someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or
very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans
legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter.

An 8" diameter trunk is hugely different from a 15" trunk diameter... it's
like four times less tree... but still way too big to _safely_ dig out by
hand without first felling the tree and then digging just the stump... pin
oak is a massive tree with very massive branches, typically right to the
ground when growing naturally... an 8" caliper pin oak weighs about as much
as a hummer.

Feel better?

I feel fine, thank you... I just don't believe you.

No one was in a hole digging as shovel reach would do it.

More BS... roots of an 8" pin oak can't be dug with a shovel unless one gets
down into the hole... even were it a 4' pin oak one would need to get down
into the hole to dig. And just shoveling wouldn't have done it, you'd still
need to cut roots, how did you use that bow saw you spoke of without getting
into the hole? A good liar would have claimed they cut the roots with a
pole pruner.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.



Consider yourself caught... your tale may work at your local titty bar but I
ain't buying it... pin oak is a fairly valuable landscape tree... were you
to buy an 8" caliper pin oak (and there's a big commercial market for them,
a favorite to surround parking lots and landscape industrial parks, and
especially along parkways) you'd pay well over a thousand dollars, another
grand to have it hauled to your property and have it planted. A sane
person would have had a large nursery scoop them out with the root ball by
machine, and they'd gladly pay you like 3-4 hundred dollars each, for 30
trees you do the math. Were they my trees there's no way I'd destroy them,
I would have called one of two nearby nurserys, they would have spent like
2-3 days removing pin oaks, they'd even fill in the holes, add top soil,
rake smooth, and seed. They'd very likely already have them sold so they
could head right over to where they're gonna plant them. When they drove off
with the last pin oak I would have had to do nothing, nada, zip, and I'd be
like $10,000 richer. I don't believe you, no way, no how... you picked the
wrong tree to lie about. There were no trees. LOL

What if this was from multiple properties and forty years ago ?

Liar Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

"Bill" wrote in message
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In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

"Bill" wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you.
A
tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous...
30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling
away
at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will
cause
it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if
someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or
very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans
legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such
a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter.

An 8" diameter trunk is hugely different from a 15" trunk diameter...
it's
like four times less tree... but still way too big to _safely_ dig out by
hand without first felling the tree and then digging just the stump...
pin
oak is a massive tree with very massive branches, typically right to the
ground when growing naturally... an 8" caliper pin oak weighs about as
much
as a hummer.

Feel better?

I feel fine, thank you... I just don't believe you.

No one was in a hole digging as shovel reach would do it.

More BS... roots of an 8" pin oak can't be dug with a shovel unless one
gets
down into the hole... even were it a 4' pin oak one would need to get
down
into the hole to dig. And just shoveling wouldn't have done it, you'd
still
need to cut roots, how did you use that bow saw you spoke of without
getting
into the hole? A good liar would have claimed they cut the roots with a
pole pruner.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.



Consider yourself caught... your tale may work at your local titty bar
but I
ain't buying it... pin oak is a fairly valuable landscape tree... were
you
to buy an 8" caliper pin oak (and there's a big commercial market for
them,
a favorite to surround parking lots and landscape industrial parks, and
especially along parkways) you'd pay well over a thousand dollars,
another
grand to have it hauled to your property and have it planted. A sane
person would have had a large nursery scoop them out with the root ball
by
machine, and they'd gladly pay you like 3-4 hundred dollars each, for 30
trees you do the math. Were they my trees there's no way I'd destroy
them,
I would have called one of two nearby nurserys, they would have spent
like
2-3 days removing pin oaks, they'd even fill in the holes, add top soil,
rake smooth, and seed. They'd very likely already have them sold so they
could head right over to where they're gonna plant them. When they drove
off
with the last pin oak I would have had to do nothing, nada, zip, and I'd
be
like $10,000 richer. I don't believe you, no way, no how... you picked
the
wrong tree to lie about. There were no trees. LOL

What if this was from multiple properties and forty years ago ?

Liar Bill


Okay, a liar with a sense of humor! I bet that's a grand titty bar you hang
at. LOL

On Mar 26, 7:20*am, Darren wrote:
Greetings everyone,
As warm weather approaches, I am making plans for doing my yardwork
and planting. I am a novice gardener, so please excuse any questions
with obvious answers to all you veteran gardeners.
Anyway, my first question concerns a plant that has taken over
sections of my fence. It is some sort of weed/shrub that grows very
tall and curly with woody, tough stalks, with leaves and small reddish
buds. It is not altogether unsightly but it has taken over my
honeysuckle plants and grows over everything. It is dense and thick. I
would ideally like to remove it all and plant some nice flowers. So,
my first question is, what would be the easiest way to remove all of
this? What kind of tools would I need?
I have a weed-removal tool, but it's too small for this plant.
I don't really want ot use any chemicals. I am not so concerned about
what this plant is, but rather the easiest way to get rid of it.
My second question is, what kind of flowers would be best to plant
along my fence? I am in NY, and my yard has sandy soil, and the yard
and fence area gets a lot of direct sunlight.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Darren

There are a number of hand tools for removing weeds, small and large,
including brush clearing tools, even tree removing tools. A good
outline of all types of weeding hand tools is presented (by me) at
http://www.ergonica.com/weeder_features.htm . Some of the tools for
removing larger weeds are called weed poppers, small tree removers,
brush clearing tools, weed wrench and root talon.

Yes you can: Remove large weeds without chemicals!

I doubt a come-along would pull out a standard, mature tree but on shrubs and dwarf trees, it saves a lot of sweat. For a mature tree, that your not in a hurry to remove your brother in laws technique sounds intriguing. If he could roll in a fulcrum, it might be even better. How does he deal with the final stage, when he is digging and the tree is almost ready to go. When I'm cutting, I like to have a QUICK escape exit.

I agnosticism a come-along would cull out a standard, complete timberline but on shrubs and dwarf trees, it saves a lot of sweat. For a complete tree, that your not in a bustle to abolish your brother in laws address sounds intriguing. If he could cycle in a fulcrum, it ability be even better.