"Bill" wrote in message
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Billy wrote:

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Bill wrote:

Me, I'm lazy. I like a come-along and something sturdy to which to
to
attach it.

My brother in-law never cut down a tree. Just dug it out. I'm a
come-along owner but he just dug and used the weight to act as a lever
and popped it out. I thought a lot of work but no stump and it does not
have to be done the same day. If I look at the lack of a chain saw,
fuel, maintenance etc it sort of makes sense, This on about 30 trees
over 20 years. Slow and steady won the cheapness race.
Granted not everyone has the time but still a viable option in you
have a vision of what you would like in the future. The word is
envision and the scale can be grandiose or subtle.

Bill Waxing

I doubt a come-along would pull out a standard, mature tree but on
shrubs and dwarf trees, it saves a lot of sweat. For a mature tree, that
your not in a hurry to remove your brother in laws technique sounds
intriguing. If he could roll in a fulcrum, it might be even better. How
does he deal with the final stage, when he is digging and the tree is
almost ready to go. When I'm cutting, I like to have a QUICK escape exit.
Oh, potatoes are in (German Butter Ball).

It is a slow drop with a couple of pushes. Axed at points that appear
and asked to be cut. Kind of weird but the roots do expose them selves.
This on trees up to about 15 inches in diameter. The fulcrum provided
by the depth of the hole. Tree¹s like maple have a shallow hole wear as
oaks provide more leverage. Once the tree is tilted it can be pruned on
the way down. Guess I do not have to point out never be below a
possible drop and kinetic energy can be stored in living things. Still
this can be done with a shovel and a bow saw.

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you. A tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous... 30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling away at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will cause it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

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"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you.

You are becoming an irritating little person. Who cares what you believe?
Perhaps you meant to say, "I find it hard to believe", instead of
calling a person a liar.
--

- Billy
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"Billy" wrote in message
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"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you.

You are becoming an irritating little person.

Swab yourself with calamine lotion.

Who cares what you believe?

Obviously you do.

Perhaps you meant to say, "I find it hard to believe", instead of
calling a person a liar.



Perhaps people shouldn't lie... you're obviously used to associating with
liars.

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"brooklyn1" wrote:


I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you. A tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous... 30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling away at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will cause it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter. Feel better? No one was in a hole digging as
shovel reach would do it.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.

"I know you are, but what am I?"
-Pee-Wee

http://www.retrojunk.com/movie/quotes/76-pee-wees-big-adventure/

Bill whose feelings are hurt .....Yea right

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

"Bill" wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you. A
tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous... 30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling away
at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will cause
it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if
someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or
very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans
legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter.

An 8" diameter trunk is hugely different from a 15" trunk diameter... it's
like four times less tree... but still way too big to _safely_ dig out by
hand without first felling the tree and then digging just the stump... pin
oak is a massive tree with very massive branches, typically right to the
ground when growing naturally... an 8" caliper pin oak weighs about as much
as a hummer.

Feel better?

I feel fine, thank you... I just don't believe you.

No one was in a hole digging as shovel reach would do it.

More BS... roots of an 8" pin oak can't be dug with a shovel unless one gets
down into the hole... even were it a 4' pin oak one would need to get down
into the hole to dig. And just shoveling wouldn't have done it, you'd still
need to cut roots, how did you use that bow saw you spoke of without getting
into the hole? A good liar would have claimed they cut the roots with a
pole pruner.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.



Consider yourself caught... your tale may work at your local titty bar but I
ain't buying it... pin oak is a fairly valuable landscape tree... were you
to buy an 8" caliper pin oak (and there's a big commercial market for them,
a favorite to surround parking lots and landscape industrial parks, and
especially along parkways) you'd pay well over a thousand dollars, another
grand to have it hauled to your property and have it planted. A sane
person would have had a large nursery scoop them out with the root ball by
machine, and they'd gladly pay you like 3-4 hundred dollars each, for 30
trees you do the math. Were they my trees there's no way I'd destroy them,
I would have called one of two nearby nurserys, they would have spent like
2-3 days removing pin oaks, they'd even fill in the holes, add top soil,
rake smooth, and seed. They'd very likely already have them sold so they
could head right over to where they're gonna plant them. When they drove off
with the last pin oak I would have had to do nothing, nada, zip, and I'd be
like $10,000 richer. I don't believe you, no way, no how... you picked the
wrong tree to lie about. There were no trees. LOL

In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

"Bill" wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you. A
tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous... 30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling away
at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will cause
it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if
someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or
very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans
legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter.

An 8" diameter trunk is hugely different from a 15" trunk diameter... it's
like four times less tree... but still way too big to _safely_ dig out by
hand without first felling the tree and then digging just the stump... pin
oak is a massive tree with very massive branches, typically right to the
ground when growing naturally... an 8" caliper pin oak weighs about as much
as a hummer.

Feel better?

I feel fine, thank you... I just don't believe you.

No one was in a hole digging as shovel reach would do it.

More BS... roots of an 8" pin oak can't be dug with a shovel unless one gets
down into the hole... even were it a 4' pin oak one would need to get down
into the hole to dig. And just shoveling wouldn't have done it, you'd still
need to cut roots, how did you use that bow saw you spoke of without getting
into the hole? A good liar would have claimed they cut the roots with a
pole pruner.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.



Consider yourself caught... your tale may work at your local titty bar but I
ain't buying it... pin oak is a fairly valuable landscape tree... were you
to buy an 8" caliper pin oak (and there's a big commercial market for them,
a favorite to surround parking lots and landscape industrial parks, and
especially along parkways) you'd pay well over a thousand dollars, another
grand to have it hauled to your property and have it planted. A sane
person would have had a large nursery scoop them out with the root ball by
machine, and they'd gladly pay you like 3-4 hundred dollars each, for 30
trees you do the math. Were they my trees there's no way I'd destroy them,
I would have called one of two nearby nurserys, they would have spent like
2-3 days removing pin oaks, they'd even fill in the holes, add top soil,
rake smooth, and seed. They'd very likely already have them sold so they
could head right over to where they're gonna plant them. When they drove off
with the last pin oak I would have had to do nothing, nada, zip, and I'd be
like $10,000 richer. I don't believe you, no way, no how... you picked the
wrong tree to lie about. There were no trees. LOL

What if this was from multiple properties and forty years ago ?

Liar Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

"Bill" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

"Bill" wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote:

I've taken down more trees than I can count and I don't believe you.
A
tree
with a 15" diam. trunk, say a typical maple, will be humongous...
30'-40'
tall with a spread to match. If someone is down in a hole nibbling
away
at
the roots and the tree starts to fall the weight of the crown will
cause
it
to come crashing all the way, a person would get no warning, even if
someone
yelled they couldn't move quickly enough, they'd likely get killed, or
very
seriously hurt... even on the lee side a root can snap between a mans
legs
like a whip slicing him in two. Only a total moron would attempt such
a
stupid feat (30 times no less), or expect anyone to believe such BS.

We were dealing with pin oaks up in North Jersey. Maybe I should have
said 8 inch diameter.

An 8" diameter trunk is hugely different from a 15" trunk diameter...
it's
like four times less tree... but still way too big to _safely_ dig out by
hand without first felling the tree and then digging just the stump...
pin
oak is a massive tree with very massive branches, typically right to the
ground when growing naturally... an 8" caliper pin oak weighs about as
much
as a hummer.

Feel better?

I feel fine, thank you... I just don't believe you.

No one was in a hole digging as shovel reach would do it.

More BS... roots of an 8" pin oak can't be dug with a shovel unless one
gets
down into the hole... even were it a 4' pin oak one would need to get
down
into the hole to dig. And just shoveling wouldn't have done it, you'd
still
need to cut roots, how did you use that bow saw you spoke of without
getting
into the hole? A good liar would have claimed they cut the roots with a
pole pruner.

As to being a liar I try not to as it is all to easy to be caught in a
lie.



Consider yourself caught... your tale may work at your local titty bar
but I
ain't buying it... pin oak is a fairly valuable landscape tree... were
you
to buy an 8" caliper pin oak (and there's a big commercial market for
them,
a favorite to surround parking lots and landscape industrial parks, and
especially along parkways) you'd pay well over a thousand dollars,
another
grand to have it hauled to your property and have it planted. A sane
person would have had a large nursery scoop them out with the root ball
by
machine, and they'd gladly pay you like 3-4 hundred dollars each, for 30
trees you do the math. Were they my trees there's no way I'd destroy
them,
I would have called one of two nearby nurserys, they would have spent
like
2-3 days removing pin oaks, they'd even fill in the holes, add top soil,
rake smooth, and seed. They'd very likely already have them sold so they
could head right over to where they're gonna plant them. When they drove
off
with the last pin oak I would have had to do nothing, nada, zip, and I'd
be
like $10,000 richer. I don't believe you, no way, no how... you picked
the
wrong tree to lie about. There were no trees. LOL

What if this was from multiple properties and forty years ago ?

Liar Bill


Okay, a liar with a sense of humor! I bet that's a grand titty bar you hang
at. LOL