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Systemic pesticide for roses
Charlie wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 May 2009 22:28:23 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: Charlie wrote in message . .. On Wed, 6 May 2009 20:19:34 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: "Phisherman" wrote in message m... On Tue, 5 May 2009 00:08:50 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: I would like to use a systemic pesticide on my roses. I've heard systemic pesticides can be very dangerous. Anything misused can be dangerous. For example, water can be very dangerous. I've tried several different sprays and am not satisfied with the results. Not all systemic products are sprayed. Spraying can be hazardous due to inhalation. Can anyone recommend a brand of systemic pesticide that is not so dangerous to humans and pets? There are Rose Food/Systemic products that are applied to the soil, scratched in and the pesticide is taken up by the roots. I use the Ortho product (Bayer makes one too) on my roses only. I am willing to try other remedies, that is, if there is one that I have not tried. Aphids are hard to control. Thanks, Freckles I have ordered Bayer's systemic pesticide/food spikes. Thanks for supporting a company that is poisoning my grandchildren and the pollinators and a lot of other living things. Supposedly one just shoves a spike into the ground next to the rose and it will kill pests and feed the plant for up to 2 months. Sprays of all kinds bother me. The thought of breathing any of them scares me. For Eff's sake......putting them in the water supply doesn't scare you? If the spikes work, I think that will be the easiest and safest way to take care of my roses. Educate yourself, and/or quit trying to grow stuff that perhaps shouldn't be grown. Damn. If you think you have a problen with Bayer and their products complain to your congressmen and Senators. Nah, I don't *think* I have a problem with Bayer and their products, I *do* have a problem with them. Been complaining to representatives for years and you see where we are. Listen kid, you need to educate yourself about the political and economic wonders of the U$ and the world, as well as several other subjects. You know anything about the history of Bayer, their products, their financial and political ties, yada yada? I doubt it. Hmmm...now that you mention it, should I start writing my congresscritters about the condition of education and independent thinking in the U$? Now, get off the damned Usenet and go resume your studies, kid. Charlie Thanks for calling me kid, but since I'm 71 I don't think the shoe fits. I also have an extensive education including academics and personal experiences. I wonder how much better off we would all be if fanatics like your self would quit disrupting scientist and let them conduct humane experiments on animals. Perhaps they could find cures for many horrible diseases and even find products that could replace some of the "dangerous" chemicals you seem so concerned about. But a fanatic is a fanatic no matter their cause. |
Systemic pesticide for roses
Charlie wrote in message ... On Wed, 6 May 2009 23:29:40 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: Charlie wrote in message . .. On Wed, 6 May 2009 22:28:23 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: Charlie wrote in message m... On Wed, 6 May 2009 20:19:34 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: "Phisherman" wrote in message news:a99405lomiq2gqep6ei6jua9qtupqqntos@4ax. com... On Tue, 5 May 2009 00:08:50 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: I would like to use a systemic pesticide on my roses. I've heard systemic pesticides can be very dangerous. Anything misused can be dangerous. For example, water can be very dangerous. I've tried several different sprays and am not satisfied with the results. Not all systemic products are sprayed. Spraying can be hazardous due to inhalation. Can anyone recommend a brand of systemic pesticide that is not so dangerous to humans and pets? There are Rose Food/Systemic products that are applied to the soil, scratched in and the pesticide is taken up by the roots. I use the Ortho product (Bayer makes one too) on my roses only. I am willing to try other remedies, that is, if there is one that I have not tried. Aphids are hard to control. Thanks, Freckles I have ordered Bayer's systemic pesticide/food spikes. Thanks for supporting a company that is poisoning my grandchildren and the pollinators and a lot of other living things. Supposedly one just shoves a spike into the ground next to the rose and it will kill pests and feed the plant for up to 2 months. Sprays of all kinds bother me. The thought of breathing any of them scares me. For Eff's sake......putting them in the water supply doesn't scare you? If the spikes work, I think that will be the easiest and safest way to take care of my roses. Educate yourself, and/or quit trying to grow stuff that perhaps shouldn't be grown. Damn. If you think you have a problen with Bayer and their products complain to your congressmen and Senators. Nah, I don't *think* I have a problem with Bayer and their products, I *do* have a problem with them. Been complaining to representatives for years and you see where we are. Listen kid, you need to educate yourself about the political and economic wonders of the U$ and the world, as well as several other subjects. You know anything about the history of Bayer, their products, their financial and political ties, yada yada? I doubt it. Hmmm...now that you mention it, should I start writing my congresscritters about the condition of education and independent thinking in the U$? Now, get off the damned Usenet and go resume your studies, kid. Charlie Thanks for calling me kid, but since I'm 71 I don't think the shoe fits. I also have an extensive education including academics and personal experiences. Uh, yeah....ok, if you say so. I guess I wasn't able to glean that from your, uh, responses. I wonder how much better off we would all be if fanatics like your self would quit disrupting scientist and let them conduct humane experiments on animals. Perhaps they could find cures for many horrible diseases and even find products that could replace some of the "dangerous" chemicals you seem so concerned about. Thank you for providing this key to understanding more about from whence you cometh. I'm even less impressed now. Was I trying to impress you? Why? You are an ignorant twit. But a fanatic is a fanatic no matter their cause. See previous response for qualifiers for fanatic....uncritical, unreasoning...... Charlie |
Systemic pesticide for roses
On 5/6/2009 10:03 PM, Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:36 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , "David E. Ross" wrote: No, toxics are not the answer to all questions about why bad things happen. You can't blame insecticides for every bad thing. You're right. People kill people. Ignorance kills people. And greed. He is concerned about *his* tortoise, doesn't want to poison it with toxins, but has no concerns about systemically poisoning children via the groundwater, etc. Typical. All about me and mine, who gives a shit about them. Feh! Charlie As I already wrote, NATURAL minerals have made the ground water in this area naturally toxic. It is unfit for irrigating crops, let alone drinking by humans or animals. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
Systemic pesticide for roses
"Freckles" wrote
"Jangchub" wrote Left in tact. Now for another moronic story. **** that puta who gave her Sevin. Do you think the chemicals used to fight cancer are safe? Why are you asking someone who thinks *intact* is two words, knows to spell ******, thinks others are *moronic*, and can't properly construct a sentence? |
Systemic pesticide for roses
"brooklyn1" wrote in message ... "Freckles" wrote "Jangchub" wrote Left in tact. Now for another moronic story. **** that puta who gave her Sevin. Do you think the chemicals used to fight cancer are safe? Why are you asking someone who thinks *intact* is two words, knows to spell ******, thinks others are *moronic*, and can't properly construct a sentence? That was a mistake, wasn't it? |
Systemic pesticide for roses
"Sheila" wrote
brooklyn1 wrote: "Sheila" wrote: Well, we didn't like deer even before we moved here. What's not to like... deer are gentle creatures, they bother no one... I like having deer around. Besides, they supply free fertilizer. They may supply free fertilizer, but you won't have anything to fertilize. I only wish they'd eat more and faster, I'd have less to mow. And this is about as organic as it gets: http://i44.tinypic.com/2w3ukqd.jpg I don't know... nothing to fertilize... looks mighty green to me: http://i43.tinypic.com/w1a1x3.jpg And I can plant whatever I want and do, just not what the critters like where they can get to it... do you leave big bowls of M&Ms out where your obese kids can get to it, jugs of booze where your alkie hubby can get to it, would you leave tonight's burgers out where your dog can get to it... of course not, and only an idiot would plant deer's favorite greenery within their easy access. And if you don't like the deer you should have stayed in your inner city tenement appartment, the muggers wouldn't bother your potted fern. |
Systemic pesticide for roses
brooklyn1 wrote:
"Sheila" wrote brooklyn1 wrote: "Sheila" wrote: Well, we didn't like deer even before we moved here. What's not to like... deer are gentle creatures, they bother no one... I like having deer around. Besides, they supply free fertilizer. They may supply free fertilizer, but you won't have anything to fertilize. I only wish they'd eat more and faster, I'd have less to mow. And this is about as organic as it gets: http://i44.tinypic.com/2w3ukqd.jpg I don't know... nothing to fertilize... looks mighty green to me: http://i43.tinypic.com/w1a1x3.jpg And I can plant whatever I want and do, just not what the critters like where they can get to it... do you leave big bowls of M&Ms out where your obese kids can get to it, jugs of booze where your alkie hubby can get to it, would you leave tonight's burgers out where your dog can get to it... of course not, and only an idiot would plant deer's favorite greenery within their easy access. And if you don't like the deer you should have stayed in your inner city tenement appartment, the muggers wouldn't bother your potted fern. Sorry, I never lived in an inner city tenement apartment, did you? It looks to me like you have to have fences around what you plant too, at least we don't have to fence our new trees. -- Sheila http://swdalton.com |
Systemic pesticide for roses
"Sheila" wrote: at least we don't have to fence our new trees. Depends on the tree and its size... fruit trees, whether ornamental or not, are at greater risk... but after like five years the saplings grow tall enough that the fences can be removed. I don't mind the fences, if it's something I want to grow and don't want eaten by critters then I fence... there'd be no way for me to have a vegetable garden otherwise. And still there are the birds, so I also net. I'm not into conservatory gardening. |
Systemic pesticide for roses
On 5/7/2009 6:54 AM, Charlie wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 22:28:04 -0700, see Organization header (see Organization header)" wrote: On 5/6/2009 10:03 PM, Charlie wrote: On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:36 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , "David E. Ross" wrote: No, toxics are not the answer to all questions about why bad things happen. You can't blame insecticides for every bad thing. You're right. People kill people. Ignorance kills people. And greed. He is concerned about *his* tortoise, doesn't want to poison it with toxins, but has no concerns about systemically poisoning children via the groundwater, etc. Typical. All about me and mine, who gives a shit about them. Feh! Charlie As I already wrote, NATURAL minerals have made the ground water in this area naturally toxic. It is unfit for irrigating crops, let alone drinking by humans or animals. Which minerals are causing the toxicity and is their source naturally occuring or a result of man's activity? Mostly NATURAL sufites and sulfates. (How many times do I have to say that they occur naturally?) There are also nodules of phosphate that explode spontaneously. When schools were built in my community, the grading contractor had to dig down about 5 ft and haul away the native soil. Then, he had to bring in soil from elsewhere to fill the holes. It was considered unsafe to build a school on the native soil. During a drought about 20 years ago, it was suggested to augment our water supply (imported from northern California) with well water. Even mixing only 1 part well water with 9 parts imported water would yield a witch's brew that could not be used for drinking. Not all toxics in our environment are the result of human activity. -- David E. Ross Climate: California Mediterranean Sunset Zone: 21 -- interior Santa Monica Mountains with some ocean influence (USDA 10a, very close to Sunset Zone 19) Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary |
Systemic pesticide for roses
In article ,
"Freckles" wrote: Charlie wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 May 2009 20:30:04 -0500, "Freckles" wrote: I just order some Bayer insect control plus fertilizer plant spikes which seem to be just what I want. Bayer.....patoooie and effem. Baby and bee killing bastids. I worked for those effers for four years in the late seventies and early eighties, (and am still ashamed to admit to being a Magic Christian during that period) and they dealt death. Worse now. I've been watching the organic vs. chemical debate for years. I have tried to go organic, but with very limited success. Then your processes and understanding were/are flawed. The plant stakes I've ordered seem safe enough and they are not too expensive. Much of the organic materials I've used were a lot more expensive than chemicals and in many cases I needed to use much more of them to get the same results I could have gotten with a few chemicals. Less more, less more....."Better Things for Better Living...Through Chemistry." DuPont (and dow and monsatano and on and on) You don't just substitute organic "stuff" for deadly stuff to achieve health and balance. Your understanding of soil health and organic is lacking. If my grand dad had tried to go organic on our farm, we would have starved. FKN bullshit. You don't understand organic and/or soil health. How old are you? When was your grand-dad "farming"? Educate yourself. Make a commitment to planetary health and view your prcesses in that light. I'm fkn sick of excuses like, I grow stuff that shouldn't be grown here, so I gotta use poison, or it's too much work and expense to grow safe and healthy food. Gawd, the list goes on and on and on......ad nauseum. What the hell is wrong with all you chemical-head ignoramuses? Charlie Another ignorant fanatic heard from! If it were not for those dangerous chemicals, as you like to call them, there would be even more millions of people starving. than there are now. Most, if not all, of the medicines used to combat illnesses and ailments are dangerous, but we still take them. I guess you refrain from taking such medicines because of their harm to the environment. Ha Maybe you think organic farmers can supply enough food to feed the world. How ignorant! Besides, this is a gardening newsgroup, not an organic only group. If you don't like what you read here, go elsewhere and stick your head in the sand there. In other words get lost asshole! Ah, another Monsanto acolyte comes out of the closet spewing the company line. So, if what you say is true, then you should be able to give us some web sites that support, what you will find is a totally flawed, contention. There may be, on occasion, a use for some pesticide or chemfert but I've never encountered it. A sane person would go organic and IPM first. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
Systemic pesticide for roses
In article ,
see Organization header (see Organization header)" wrote: As I already wrote, NATURAL minerals have made the ground water in this area naturally toxic. It is unfit for irrigating crops, let alone drinking by humans or animals. So we presume that extends to grubs and worms, and nematodes and protozoa, and bacteria and fungi, and non-crop plants? The though of amelioration never crossed your mind? Just adding to the pollution? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
Systemic pesticide for roses
In article ,
see Organization header (see Organization header)" wrote: No, I'm not concerned at all about its effect on ground water. Because of NATURAL minerals, the ground water in my area is toxic and unfit even for irrigation, let alone unfit for human or animal ingestion. Got your excuse all memorized, huh? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
Systemic pesticide for roses
In article ,
"Freckles" wrote: Do you think the chemicals used to fight cancer are safe? The question is do you think at all? -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
Systemic pesticide for roses
In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote: "Freckles" wrote "Jangchub" wrote Left in tact. Now for another moronic story. **** that puta who gave her Sevin. Do you think the chemicals used to fight cancer are safe? Why are you asking someone who thinks *intact* is two words, knows to spell ******, thinks others are *moronic*, and can't properly construct a sentence? Shelly, did you mean to say,"knows [how] to spell "****", yada, yada, and can't properly construct a sentence? Looks like you could do with a little remedial tune-up your self, mister-let-me-throw-the-first-stone. -- - Billy "For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html |
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