A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem
getting seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has
something to do with it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

What nursery? What Government?

David

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.

Frank wrote:
SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem
getting seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has
something to do with it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee etc...

This would be wonderful. I just bought 70 mg of Burpee Chamomile seed
for 1.79. This equates to US$ 11,600.00 per pound.

Can you cite a responsible reference where I can read about the
government action?

EJ in NJ

If you need german chamomile seeds, I got tons...literally...it has become a
weed on our property...and it gets tall...over 5ft...I would pay people to
take the seeds I harvested last year if I had the money to pay them...

"Ernie Willson" wrote in message
m...


Frank wrote:
SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem
getting seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has
something to do with it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee etc...

This would be wonderful. I just bought 70 mg of Burpee Chamomile seed
for 1.79. This equates to US$ 11,600.00 per pound.

Can you cite a responsible reference where I can read about the
government action?

EJ in NJ

Ernie Willson wrote:


Frank wrote:
SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem
getting seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has
something to do with it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee etc...

This would be wonderful. I just bought 70 mg of Burpee Chamomile seed
for 1.79. This equates to US$ 11,600.00 per pound.

Can you cite a responsible reference where I can read about the
government action?

EJ in NJ

Just being facetious, of course.

I got a much better deal on my Burpee cucumber seeds, 700 mg. for $1.99

Frank wrote:
Ernie Willson wrote:


Frank wrote:
SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem
getting seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has
something to do with it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve

Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee etc...

This would be wonderful. I just bought 70 mg of Burpee Chamomile seed
for 1.79. This equates to US$ 11,600.00 per pound.

Can you cite a responsible reference where I can read about the
government action?

EJ in NJ

Just being facetious, of course.

I got a much better deal on my Burpee cucumber seeds, 700 mg. for $1.99

That is a much better deal, only $1290.00 per pound.

EJ in NJ

In article ,
Frank wrote:

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.

Not sure what you are saying Frank? Could we get a citation?
----
W. Atlee Burpee & Company --- sold to Geo J. Ball Inc. 1989 --
-- merged with Seminis in October 1995 -- purchased by Mon$anto in
January of 2005.

Any other questions about why you're being ripped off by Burpee?

There still are people of conscience out there.
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
----

Company 2006 seed sales US $ millions
1. Monsanto (US) $4,028
2. Dupont (US) $2,781
3. Syngenta (Switzerland) $1,743
4. Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,035
5. Land O¹ Lakes (US) $756
6. KWS AG (Germany) $615
7. Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $430
8. Delta & Pine Land (US) $418
(acquisition by Monsanto
pending)

9. Sakata (Japan) $401
10. DLF-Trifolium (Denmark) $352
Source: ETC Group

In 1996 * one
decade ago * the top 10 seed companies accounted for 37% of the
worldwide market * and Monsanto did not even appear on the list.

In 2006, the top 10 companies account for $12,559 million * or 64% of the
total proprietary seed market.

Monsanto * the world¹s largest seed company * accounts for more than one
fifth of the global proprietary seed market.

www.etcgroup.org/upload/publication/pdf

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._seeds09m.html

Finally, I came upon Elizabeth Stromme, to my regret, far too late. Her
observations about gardening, a decade and a half later, shows not much
has changed. A very good read.

The Color of Money
http://www.undergroundgardener.com/money.htm
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

On May 15, 4:25*am, Frank wrote:
SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. *Seems the government has something to do with
it. *Anyone heard anything?

Steve

Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. *Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.

Thrilled to hear it (if true - couldn't find a citation). Monsanto is
my favorite
object of international hatred. Among the other unconscionable things
they do:
SELL water to indigenous people (S. America, I think I read in Mother
Jones'
article on the subject.) People who used to dig their own wells, are
now
stuck with BUYING

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Frank wrote:

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.

Not sure what you are saying Frank? Could we get a citation?
----
W. Atlee Burpee & Company --- sold to Geo J. Ball Inc. 1989 --
-- merged with Seminis in October 1995 -- purchased by Mon$anto in
January of 2005.

Any other questions about why you're being ripped off by Burpee?

There still are people of conscience out there.
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
----

Company 2006 seed sales US $ millions
1. Monsanto (US) $4,028
2. Dupont (US) $2,781
3. Syngenta (Switzerland) $1,743
4. Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,035
5. Land O¹ Lakes (US) $756
6. KWS AG (Germany) $615
7. Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $430
8. Delta & Pine Land (US) $418
(acquisition by Monsanto
pending)

9. Sakata (Japan) $401
10. DLF-Trifolium (Denmark) $352
Source: ETC Group

In 1996 * one
decade ago * the top 10 seed companies accounted for 37% of the
worldwide market * and Monsanto did not even appear on the list.

In 2006, the top 10 companies account for $12,559 million * or 64% of the
total proprietary seed market.

Monsanto * the world¹s largest seed company * accounts for more than one
fifth of the global proprietary seed market.

www.etcgroup.org/upload/publication/pdf

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._seeds09m.html

Finally, I came upon Elizabeth Stromme, to my regret, far too late. Her
observations about gardening, a decade and a half later, shows not much
has changed. A very good read.

The Color of Money
http://www.undergroundgardener.com/money.htm

Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal. Still...

--
Jean B.

In article ,
"Jean B." wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Frank wrote:

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do
with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.

Not sure what you are saying Frank? Could we get a citation?
----
W. Atlee Burpee & Company --- sold to Geo J. Ball Inc. 1989 --
-- merged with Seminis in October 1995 -- purchased by Mon$anto in
January of 2005.

Any other questions about why you're being ripped off by Burpee?

There still are people of conscience out there.
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
----

Company 2006 seed sales US $ millions
1. Monsanto (US) $4,028
2. Dupont (US) $2,781
3. Syngenta (Switzerland) $1,743
4. Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,035
5. Land O¹ Lakes (US) $756
6. KWS AG (Germany) $615
7. Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $430
8. Delta & Pine Land (US) $418
(acquisition by Monsanto
pending)

9. Sakata (Japan) $401
10. DLF-Trifolium (Denmark) $352
Source: ETC Group

In 1996 * one
decade ago * the top 10 seed companies accounted for 37% of the
worldwide market * and Monsanto did not even appear on the list.

In 2006, the top 10 companies account for $12,559 million * or 64% of the
total proprietary seed market.

Monsanto * the world¹s largest seed company * accounts for more than one
fifth of the global proprietary seed market.

www.etcgroup.org/upload/publication/pdf

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._seeds09m.html

Finally, I came upon Elizabeth Stromme, to my regret, far too late. Her
observations about gardening, a decade and a half later, shows not much
has changed. A very good read.

The Color of Money
http://www.undergroundgardener.com/money.htm

Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal.
Not the open pollenated seeds, at least not yet, but Mon$anto et al. are
buying them up and discontinuing them. That is where Seed Savers
Exchange comes in http://www.seedsavers.org/ .
There are good nurseries that support open pollinated seeds like Nichols
Garden Nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...sid=LLSRFKE98A
SQ9H, Victory Seed Company http://www.victoryseeds.com/, Fedco Seeds
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/, and others, so we aren't quite up against
it yet. Learning to save seeds, would benefit us all.
Still...
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En2TzBE0lp4

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1050688.html

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"Jean B." wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Frank wrote:

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do
with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.
Not sure what you are saying Frank? Could we get a citation?
----
W. Atlee Burpee & Company --- sold to Geo J. Ball Inc. 1989 --
-- merged with Seminis in October 1995 -- purchased by Mon$anto in
January of 2005.

Any other questions about why you're being ripped off by Burpee?

There still are people of conscience out there.
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
----

Company 2006 seed sales US $ millions
1. Monsanto (US) $4,028
2. Dupont (US) $2,781
3. Syngenta (Switzerland) $1,743
4. Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,035
5. Land O¹ Lakes (US) $756
6. KWS AG (Germany) $615
7. Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $430
8. Delta & Pine Land (US) $418
(acquisition by Monsanto
pending)

9. Sakata (Japan) $401
10. DLF-Trifolium (Denmark) $352
Source: ETC Group

In 1996 * one
decade ago * the top 10 seed companies accounted for 37% of the
worldwide market * and Monsanto did not even appear on the list.

In 2006, the top 10 companies account for $12,559 million * or 64% of the
total proprietary seed market.

Monsanto * the world¹s largest seed company * accounts for more than one
fifth of the global proprietary seed market.

www.etcgroup.org/upload/publication/pdf

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._seeds09m.html

Finally, I came upon Elizabeth Stromme, to my regret, far too late. Her
observations about gardening, a decade and a half later, shows not much
has changed. A very good read.

The Color of Money
http://www.undergroundgardener.com/money.htm
Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal.
Not the open pollenated seeds, at least not yet, but Mon$anto et al. are
buying them up and discontinuing them. That is where Seed Savers
Exchange comes in http://www.seedsavers.org/ .
There are good nurseries that support open pollinated seeds like Nichols
Garden Nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...sid=LLSRFKE98A
SQ9H, Victory Seed Company http://www.victoryseeds.com/, Fedco Seeds
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/, and others, so we aren't quite up against
it yet. Learning to save seeds, would benefit us all.
Still...

This is just so crazy. Yes, I will start saving seeds.

--
Jean B.

Charlie wrote:
On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:39:33 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
"Jean B." wrote:

Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal.

Ha....you must be another of those kooks! ;-)
Welcome, Jean.

Not the open pollenated seeds, at least not yet, but Mon$anto et al. are
buying them up and discontinuing them. That is where Seed Savers
Exchange comes in http://www.seedsavers.org/ .
There are good nurseries that support open pollinated seeds like Nichols
Garden Nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...sid=LLSRFKE98A
SQ9H, Victory Seed Company http://www.victoryseeds.com/, Fedco Seeds
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/, and others, so we aren't quite up against
it yet. Learning to save seeds, would benefit us all.
Still...

One of the problems with saving seed, at least in my experience, and
not having acres and acres upon which to grow, is variety selection.

Fer instance, we like three varieties of cucumber, Japanese Climbing,
Suyo Long, and Yamato Extra Long... and at least two of us are
unwilling to budge....at some point we're going to have to come to
agreement on one variety/year for three years, or go thru the caging
routine and all that.....feh.

Many veggies don't require strictness to prevent cross-pollination,
but some do, as you know.

One also needs to observe what, if anything, the neighbors are
growing.

Finding others in your area, or joining seedsavers, is a way to spread
varieties around and maintain purity.

Anyway, just my nickels worth about one problematic factor for me. I
want to grow them all!!!

Charlie, playin' with his crayola mainly

Oh sure, but doing something is better than doing nothing.

I find I am getting more "crazy" (radical) about plant- and
wildlife-related things as time passes.

My neighbors? They are not on the same wavelength at all.
--
Jean B.

Charlie wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:30:17 -0400, "Jean B." wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"Jean B." wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
Frank wrote:

SteveB wrote:
A neighbor has just informed me that he has been having a problem getting
seeds from a local nursery. Seems the government has something to do
with
it. Anyone heard anything?

Steve


Yes, Obama administration is going after companies like Burpee that only
give you a dozen seeds for $2.98. Obscene profits and misuse of TARP
funds are driving seed companies to bankruptcy.
Not sure what you are saying Frank? Could we get a citation?
----
W. Atlee Burpee & Company --- sold to Geo J. Ball Inc. 1989 --
-- merged with Seminis in October 1995 -- purchased by Mon$anto in
January of 2005.

Any other questions about why you're being ripped off by Burpee?

There still are people of conscience out there.
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm
----

Company 2006 seed sales US $ millions
1. Monsanto (US) $4,028
2. Dupont (US) $2,781
3. Syngenta (Switzerland) $1,743
4. Groupe Limagrain (France) $1,035
5. Land O¹ Lakes (US) $756
6. KWS AG (Germany) $615
7. Bayer Crop Science (Germany) $430
8. Delta & Pine Land (US) $418
(acquisition by Monsanto
pending)

9. Sakata (Japan) $401
10. DLF-Trifolium (Denmark) $352
Source: ETC Group

In 1996 * one
decade ago * the top 10 seed companies accounted for 37% of the
worldwide market * and Monsanto did not even appear on the list.

In 2006, the top 10 companies account for $12,559 million * or 64% of the
total proprietary seed market.

Monsanto * the world¹s largest seed company * accounts for more than one
fifth of the global proprietary seed market.

www.etcgroup.org/upload/publication/pdf

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._seeds09m.html

Finally, I came upon Elizabeth Stromme, to my regret, far too late. Her
observations about gardening, a decade and a half later, shows not much
has changed. A very good read.

The Color of Money
http://www.undergroundgardener.com/money.htm
Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal.
Not the open pollenated seeds, at least not yet, but Mon$anto et al. are
buying them up and discontinuing them. That is where Seed Savers
Exchange comes in http://www.seedsavers.org/ .
There are good nurseries that support open pollinated seeds like Nichols
Garden Nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...sid=LLSRFKE98A
SQ9H, Victory Seed Company http://www.victoryseeds.com/, Fedco Seeds
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/, and others, so we aren't quite up against
it yet. Learning to save seeds, would benefit us all.
Still...
This is just so crazy. Yes, I will start saving seeds.





"Seed to Seed" -- By Suzanne Ashworth.

http://rareseeds.com/seeds/Books/Seed-to-Seed

Can't recommend it enough.


This book is "The Holy Writ" (credit for the dubbing to Gary) of
seedsaving and well worth the money. The link I posted also has an
amazing collection of heirlooms and you get good measure for your
money. I've been using them for a long time. They are deserving of
our support.

Charlie

Thanks. I will order the book and save this information for
future reference.

--
Jean B.

Charlie wrote:
On Mon, 18 May 2009 21:33:18 -0400, "Jean B." wrote:

Charlie wrote:
On Sun, 17 May 2009 18:39:33 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
"Jean B." wrote:
Eerm, this makes it seem desirable to save one's own seeds. Oh
yeah. That might be illegal.
Ha....you must be another of those kooks! ;-)
Welcome, Jean.

Not the open pollenated seeds, at least not yet, but Mon$anto et al. are
buying them up and discontinuing them. That is where Seed Savers
Exchange comes in http://www.seedsavers.org/ .
There are good nurseries that support open pollinated seeds like Nichols
Garden Nursery
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...sid=LLSRFKE98A
SQ9H, Victory Seed Company http://www.victoryseeds.com/, Fedco Seeds
http://www.fedcoseeds.com/, and others, so we aren't quite up against
it yet. Learning to save seeds, would benefit us all.
Still...
One of the problems with saving seed, at least in my experience, and
not having acres and acres upon which to grow, is variety selection.

Fer instance, we like three varieties of cucumber, Japanese Climbing,
Suyo Long, and Yamato Extra Long... and at least two of us are
unwilling to budge....at some point we're going to have to come to
agreement on one variety/year for three years, or go thru the caging
routine and all that.....feh.

Many veggies don't require strictness to prevent cross-pollination,
but some do, as you know.

One also needs to observe what, if anything, the neighbors are
growing.

Finding others in your area, or joining seedsavers, is a way to spread
varieties around and maintain purity.

Anyway, just my nickels worth about one problematic factor for me. I
want to grow them all!!!

Charlie, playin' with his crayola mainly
Oh sure, but doing something is better than doing nothing.

I find I am getting more "crazy" (radical) about plant- and
wildlife-related things as time passes.

Well.... good, as it should be, eh? ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46bkXgxb66E

My neighbors? They are not on the same wavelength at all.

Mine aren't either.


Charlie

Sigh. People are so... ?blind? ?uncaring?

For those of us who do see, this is puzzling at best. Shouldn't
the life of the planet, of its flora and fauna, outweigh things
like monoculture lawns?

I was thinking about this a tad (well, I frequently think about
the issue as a whole, since there are constant reminders of it in
life) and thought I would relate one little thing. I knew that a
former relationship had NO hope when the other party said casually
said that he used pesticides and herbicides to appease his
neighbors. Casually. As if it made no difference!

It would be nice for all if like-minded people could live in some
sort of community. I had hoped to move someplace where MY views
would not bother neighbors, but now I have no idea where I am
moving to....

I am rambling....

--
Jean B.