"James" no wrote in message
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I have used 12 volt landscape lights for about seven years. During this time,
I have used various light fixtures from Home Depot and Lowe's. Some seem
pretty low quality, some appear pretty decent at first. But, they all leak
after a few years.

I have also tried more "upscale" lights from a lighting dealer, costing in
the range of $90 per fixture. They also leak after a few years. I see NO
difference in quality of the "upscale" fixtures at $90 than what I buy at the
big box stores at $15 each. No difference whatsoever. (Generally
speaking, I am a believer in the saying that you get what you pay for. This
does not appear to be the case with low voltage landscape lights).

Do any of you have experience with the long term use of low voltage landscape
lights, and have you found decent fixtures with good seals, so that they don't
leak after a few years ? If so, what brand/ store / etc would you suggest
that I try ??

Have you considered LED (light emitting diode) lights? Google "white LED
Lights". Incandescent lights only only produce 5-10% light the remainder being
heat and it is the latter that causes fixture failure. With leds there need not
be
any such fixtures. If you can live with red lights, red LEDs are even cheaper.

"Alan" wrote
"James" wrote:

I have used 12 volt landscape lights for about seven years. During this
time, I have used various light fixtures from Home Depot and Lowe's. Some
seem pretty low quality, some appear pretty decent at first. But, they
all leak after a few years.

I have also tried more "upscale" lights from a lighting dealer, costing
in the range of $90 per fixture. They also leak after a few years. I
see NO difference in quality of the "upscale" fixtures at $90 than what I
buy at the big box stores at $15 each. No difference whatsoever.
(Generally speaking, I am a believer in the saying that you get what you
pay for. This does not appear to be the case with low voltage landscape
lights).

Do any of you have experience with the long term use of low voltage
landscape lights, and have you found decent fixtures with good seals, so
that they don't leak after a few years ? If so, what brand/ store /
etc would you suggest that I try ??

Have you considered LED (light emitting diode) lights? Google "white LED
Lights". Incandescent lights only only produce 5-10% light the remainder
being
heat and it is the latter that causes fixture failure. With leds there
need not be
any such fixtures. If you can live with red lights, red LEDs are even
cheaper.


I think it depends on how much light one needs and for what purpose. I've
not seen any low voltage garden lamps that give off much light and they
certainly don't throw light any appreciable distance, they're typically used
for minimally illuminating walkways. I also used low voltage lamps but I
didn't like that they needed wiring and they also leaked. For six years now
I've been using solar lights, they emit enough light to illuminate walkways.
Even on cloudy days they recharge enough so that they give off light well
past the wee hours when no one should be walking about anyway. The only
time solar lamps won't recharge is when snow accumulates on the solar
panels, but then the snow itself reflects more than adequate light for
walking about, and it's a simple matter to brush snow off the panels. For
security lighting neither low voltage or solar lighting is sufficient, for
that one should have hard wired flood/spot lights with motion detectors.
I've been using the same solar lamps for more than six years now, they still
operate good as new and the lamp's appearance is as good as new. And
eventually when the rechargeable battery pack fails it can easily be
replaced, and for like $6. And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole. I'm sold on solar lighting, I
would never again consider low voltage lights. I've already decided to buy
a set of solar lights for my outdoor Christmas tree... no more 150'
extention cord.

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"brooklyn1" wrote:

And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole.

Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?

those solar lights don't actually "illuminate" anything around them. They
just glow in the dark.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
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In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole.

Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?

He didn't say how tall the flagpole was, or its corresponding sized flag
either. That could be a factor regardless the lumens stated. All ones for
that purpose I've seen are using standard electrical power from a meter loop
of some sort. They also have a focusing shroud around such a light. Said
light is pointed at the top of the flagpole to cover all directions the flag
could furl. Guess if you're wearing a low-light detection device, you could
see such a flag illuminated by a solar-powered light.
--
Dave

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole.

Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?

He didn't say how tall the flagpole was, or its corresponding sized flag
either. That could be a factor regardless the lumens stated. All ones
for that purpose I've seen are using standard electrical power from a
meter loop of some sort. They also have a focusing shroud around such a
light. Said light is pointed at the top of the flagpole to cover all
directions the flag could furl. Guess if you're wearing a low-light
detection device, you could see such a flag illuminated by a solar-powered
light.
--
Dave



Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.

http://www.solarlighting.com/

http://www.solarlightstore.com/

"brooklyn1" wrote in message
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"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole.

Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?

He didn't say how tall the flagpole was, or its corresponding sized flag
either. That could be a factor regardless the lumens stated. All ones
for that purpose I've seen are using standard electrical power from a
meter loop of some sort. They also have a focusing shroud around such a
light. Said light is pointed at the top of the flagpole to cover all
directions the flag could furl. Guess if you're wearing a low-light
detection device, you could see such a flag illuminated by a
solar-powered light.
--
Dave



Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.

http://www.solarlighting.com/

http://www.solarlightstore.com/




Guess its a matter of perspective. 20 watts of light ain't much. Guess you
may be able to detect a flag atop a flagpole without low-light visual aids
if you've been in the darkness for sometime. Depends how high the flagpole
is too.

http://www.solarlightstore.com/solar...light4pack.cfm
--
Dave

On Jun 13, 9:21*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
"brooklyn1" wrote in message

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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

And there are now solar lamps that do emit
enough light to illuminate relatively large areas and/or throw light a
distance sufficient for a flag atop a pole.

Well, illuminating a flag atop a pole is pretty far down my priority
list. I might get to it one day, after I alphabetize my soup cans. But
when I was browsing HD recently I checked out the lumen specs on solar
lights and they were just a shade less bright than a single briquette of
glowing charcoal. I don't remember seeing any that were more than 10 or
12 lumens, which would be enough to read 24 point type by if you had
about 50 of them focused on one spot. Tell me more about these new ones
that you've found. Source? Manufacturer? Lumen spec?

He didn't say how tall the flagpole was, or its corresponding sized flag
either. *That could be a factor regardless the lumens stated. *All ones
for that purpose I've seen are using standard electrical power from a
meter loop of some sort. *They also have a focusing shroud around such a
light. *Said light is pointed at the top of the flagpole to cover all
directions the flag could furl. *Guess if you're wearing a low-light
detection device, you could see such a flag illuminated by a
solar-powered light.
--
Dave

Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. *Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. *Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.

http://www.solarlighting.com/

http://www.solarlightstore.com/

Guess its a matter of perspective. *20 watts of light ain't much. *Guess you
may be able to detect a flag atop a flagpole without low-light visual aids
if you've been in the darkness for sometime. *Depends how high the flagpole
is too.

http://www.solarlightstore.com/solar...lights/integra...
--
Dave

http://www.solarlightstore.com/solar...lightwhite.cfm

Took a quick look at the biggest spotlight at the above store that one
might think would be best suited to get a decent amount of light for a
flag on top of a pole. Look a the specs: 8 LEDS, 5 volts, plastic,
2lbs. If you're trying to make a case for solar, that sure ain't
the way to do it. Stating the light output, how long it will
maintain the light, etc would be a good start.

In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.

http://www.solarlighting.com/

http://www.solarlightstore.com/

Well, your first link is to commercial solar. We were talking about
homeowner landscape lighting.

As to the second link, please select from that website, one
self-contained solar-powered landscape light that lists lumen specs, so
I don't have to go wading through the whole site to see what your point
is.

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"brooklyn1" wrote:

Yoose need to think outside your pointy little heads. Solar lighting has
come a long way since the last time yoose opened your moth eaten miser
purses. Harnessing solar power is the future, get used to it.

http://www.solarlighting.com/

http://www.solarlightstore.com/

Well, your first link is to commercial solar. We were talking about
homeowner landscape lighting.

As to the second link, please select from that website, one
self-contained solar-powered landscape light that lists lumen specs, so
I don't have to go wading through the whole site to see what your point
is.

Does your mommy still hafta wipe your tushy... if it's so important to you
there's an 800 number or send email. Lumens aren't very important with
outdoor lighting... typical indoor lighting reflects off the walls,ceiling,
floors, and furnishings back into the room... outdoor lighting travels to
infinity... type of source/light and how it's concentrated is what's
important... that's why there are floodlights, spot lights, etc.

yes. this is the way we are going. we even have some solar LED lights that are
really surprising in that they have been outside all winter for 2 years now and
havent replaced the battery. The light is not BRIGHT like you can read from it, but
we just want subtle lighting. Ingrid

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 05:42:49 -0400, "Alan" you're got to be joking wrote:
Have you considered LED (light emitting diode) lights? Google "white LED
Lights". Incandescent lights only only produce 5-10% light the remainder being
heat and it is the latter that causes fixture failure. With leds there need not
be
any such fixtures. If you can live with red lights, red LEDs are even cheaper.
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