The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. But the news spread fast. Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

On Jun 20, 8:48*am, (Jack) wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. *There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. *This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. *That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. *Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. *The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. *They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. *On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. *Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. *You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. *The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. *Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. *But the news spread fast. *Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

Get a bunch of Giant Destroyer bombs, dump in hole and cover them up,
but not if your home or a neighbor is downwind. I used them in my
basement and cleaned out everything living, even myself.

On Jun 20, 9:48*am, (Jack) wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. *There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. *This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. *That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. *Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. *The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. *They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. *On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. *Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. *You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. *The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. *Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. *But the news spread fast. *Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

The Sister-in-law tends to soak slices of cantaloupe with antifreeze
and drop some in the groundhog holes when they get to be too much.

My answer was to light a 15 minute road flare, and stuff it
into the hole. Back fill with dirt and rocks and such.
Havn't seen another hole, yet. That was two years ago.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Shy Picker" wrote in message
...

The Sister-in-law tends to soak slices of cantaloupe with
antifreeze
and drop some in the groundhog holes when they get to be too
much.

Most woodchuck hunters use small to midsize centerfire
rifle, not a scatter gun. Rifle has much better range.

So, why can't you clog the hole on the other side of the
fence? Something about this post sounds a bit off.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jack" wrote in message
...
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks --
which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of
about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. There's also a barbed wire
fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on
either
side of the fence. This eliminates the use of smoke bombs
because you
need access to clog-up each hole. That's hard to do with a
barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't
work
either. Instead of being driven away by the noise, the
'hogs attack
and destroy them. The best solution the past 32 years has
been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. They are wary,
and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently
stepping
into a hole. On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck
and it was
hell trying to free it. Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant
burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house
foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks
outside the
burrows. You have two options on mowing day: rake the
debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. The
second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back
into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. Don't
need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big
alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection
will
finish him shortly. But the news spread fast. Not a half
hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim
the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features
both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. But the news spread fast. Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

I remember seeing a story of a fellow modifying a parking
lot vacuum cleaner truck with a large diameter hose to pull
prairie dogs out of their burrows. I'm sure something like
that would do the same for woodchucks.

http://tinyurl.com/muej9s

TDD

Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees.

You have a woodchuck population only because you have all those mulberry and
cherry trees, they play a major part of their food supply. Even if you do
away with some woodchucks new ones will arrive so long as those trees are
there. You cannot have those trees if you don't want those woodchucks. The
only reasonable solution is to make that area a woodchuck sanctuary, pile in
lots of big rocks and build lots brush piles under all those trees... the
woodchucks will be happy, you won't need to mow there, and the woodchucks
will not encroach to where there is no food supply. I have some woodchucks
but they stay near the brush piles I made way out in my woods alongside some
old rock walls... wood chucks like to burrow under large rocks. Of course I
don't have 50 fruit trees there either. Your fruit trees are what's known
as an attractive nuisance... if you harvested all that fruit most of the
woodchucks would leave. Most mulberry trees produce fruit all summer, how
can you in good conscience complain about woodchucks when it's you who are
feeding them.

Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. But the news spread fast. Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

Could be worse.

Years ago, when I was visiting the nature center at the Audubon Society of
Western Pennsylvania, I ran across their semi-tame groundhog named
"Harriet."

The Executive Director said: "You seem interested. Never seen a ground hog
before?"

"No," I said. "We don't have them in my part of Texas. We DO, however, have
armadillos."

"Heh," the director replied, "pretty much the same thing, I think."

"Tell ya what I'll do," I offered, "I'll trade you an armadillo for a ground
hog!"

"GOOD GOD NO!," exclaimed the director. "No way, no how!"

"Uh, why not?"

"Can you even IMAGINE what would happen if a pair of our granny ladies,
walking our nature trails, encountered an ARMADILLO?"

Aside:
The director of public safety for Tennessee put out a press release not long
ago telling motorists that the Texas Nine-Banded Armadillo had made its way
into their state. The director cautioned motorists in Tennessee, if they see
one on the highway, not to honk at it.

Armadillos, it seems, when startled, will jump straight up in the air about
four feet. The motorist will then encounter the equivalent of a 16-pound
bowling ball right at windshield level.

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:17:16 GMT, "brooklyn1"
wrote:

Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees.

You have a woodchuck population only because you have all those mulberry and
cherry trees, they play a major part of their food supply. Even if you do
away with some woodchucks new ones will arrive so long as those trees are
there. You cannot have those trees if you don't want those woodchucks. The
only reasonable solution is to make that area a woodchuck sanctuary, pile in
lots of big rocks and build lots brush piles under all those trees... the
woodchucks will be happy, you won't need to mow there, and the woodchucks
will not encroach to where there is no food supply. I have some woodchucks
but they stay near the brush piles I made way out in my woods alongside some
old rock walls... wood chucks like to burrow under large rocks. Of course I
don't have 50 fruit trees there either. Your fruit trees are what's known
as an attractive nuisance... if you harvested all that fruit most of the
woodchucks would leave. Most mulberry trees produce fruit all summer, how
can you in good conscience complain about woodchucks when it's you who are
feeding them.

Well, these mulberries, black and white, ripen in June and attract
all kinds of creatures, even the carnivorous fox, but by July the
fruit on the ground doesn't seem to be in great demand. They
certainly do not produce fruit all summer. Cherries are later and are
ubiquituous like weeds, all over the property, not just the east
property line.

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze.

That seems to be an excellent strategy.

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:59:50 GMT, (Jack) wrote:

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze.

Rifle shot at 277 yards:

"groundhog wackin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsP2OcUdIc

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:59:50 GMT, (Jack) wrote:

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze.

Rifle shot at 277 yards:

"groundhog wackin"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOsP2OcUdIc


That's how most groundhog problems are solved around here... A .223 with a
scope , a lawn chair and patience...Pick them off at long range...An excuse
to buy a new gun is ALWAYS a good thing...LOL...Good luck...

On Jun 20, 3:59�pm, (Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:17:16 GMT, "brooklyn1"





wrote:
Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees.

You have a woodchuck population only because you have all those mulberry and
cherry trees, they play a major part of their food supply. �Even if you do
away with some woodchucks new ones will arrive so long as those trees are
there. You cannot have those trees if you don't want those woodchucks. �The
only reasonable solution is to make that area a woodchuck sanctuary, pile in
lots of big rocks and build lots brush piles under all those trees... the
woodchucks will be happy, you won't need to mow there, and the woodchucks
will not encroach to where there is no food supply. �I have some woodchucks
but they stay near the brush piles I made way out in my woods alongside some
old rock walls... wood chucks like to burrow under large rocks. �Of course I
don't have 50 fruit trees there either. �Your fruit trees are what's known
as an attractive nuisance... if you harvested all that fruit most of the
woodchucks would leave. �Most mulberry trees produce fruit all summer, how
can you in good conscience complain about woodchucks when it's you who are
feeding them.

Well, these mulberries, black and white, �ripen in June and attract
all kinds of creatures, even the carnivorous fox, but by July the
fruit on the ground doesn't seem to be in great demand. �They
certainly do not produce fruit all summer. Cherries are later and are
ubiquituous like weeds, all over the property, not just the east
property line.

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze. �

That seems to be an excellent strategy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

so how many birds and other animals will die a horrible painful death
with your anti freeze fruit?

geez just live and let live, groundhogs are at most a nuisance.

"bob haller" wrote in message
...
On Jun 20, 3:59?pm, (Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:17:16 GMT, "brooklyn1"





wrote:
Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees.

You have a woodchuck population only because you have all those mulberry
and
cherry trees, they play a major part of their food supply. ?Even if you
do
away with some woodchucks new ones will arrive so long as those trees are
there. You cannot have those trees if you don't want those woodchucks.
?The
only reasonable solution is to make that area a woodchuck sanctuary, pile
in
lots of big rocks and build lots brush piles under all those trees... the
woodchucks will be happy, you won't need to mow there, and the woodchucks
will not encroach to where there is no food supply. ?I have some
woodchucks
but they stay near the brush piles I made way out in my woods alongside
some
old rock walls... wood chucks like to burrow under large rocks. ?Of
course I
don't have 50 fruit trees there either. ?Your fruit trees are what's
known
as an attractive nuisance... if you harvested all that fruit most of the
woodchucks would leave. ?Most mulberry trees produce fruit all summer,
how
can you in good conscience complain about woodchucks when it's you who
are
feeding them.

Well, these mulberries, black and white, ?ripen in June and attract
all kinds of creatures, even the carnivorous fox, but by July the
fruit on the ground doesn't seem to be in great demand. ?They
certainly do not produce fruit all summer. Cherries are later and are
ubiquituous like weeds, all over the property, not just the east
property line.

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze. ?

That seems to be an excellent strategy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

so how many birds and other animals will die a horrible painful death
with your anti freeze fruit?

geez just live and let live, groundhogs are at most a nuisance.

=========

Wait'll his antifreeze bait kills a neighbor's dog, he'll end up at the
bottom of a pond strapped to a cement block, a meal for the snapping
turtles, catfish, and carp. Shit happens.

bob haller wrote:
On Jun 20, 3:59�pm, (Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:17:16 GMT, "brooklyn1"





wrote:
Jack wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees.
You have a woodchuck population only because you have all those mulberry and
cherry trees, they play a major part of their food supply. �Even if you do
away with some woodchucks new ones will arrive so long as those trees are
there. You cannot have those trees if you don't want those woodchucks. �The
only reasonable solution is to make that area a woodchuck sanctuary, pile in
lots of big rocks and build lots brush piles under all those trees... the
woodchucks will be happy, you won't need to mow there, and the woodchucks
will not encroach to where there is no food supply. �I have some woodchucks
but they stay near the brush piles I made way out in my woods alongside some
old rock walls... wood chucks like to burrow under large rocks. �Of course I
don't have 50 fruit trees there either. �Your fruit trees are what's known
as an attractive nuisance... if you harvested all that fruit most of the
woodchucks would leave. �Most mulberry trees produce fruit all summer, how
can you in good conscience complain about woodchucks when it's you who are
feeding them.
Well, these mulberries, black and white, �ripen in June and attract
all kinds of creatures, even the carnivorous fox, but by July the
fruit on the ground doesn't seem to be in great demand. �They
certainly do not produce fruit all summer. Cherries are later and are
ubiquituous like weeds, all over the property, not just the east
property line.

I'm not inclined to pile rocks or harvest the fruit but will continue
as in the past to rely on the shotgun as well as a suggestion from one
of the posters he soaking fruit in anti-freeze. �

That seems to be an excellent strategy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

so how many birds and other animals will die a horrible painful death
with your anti freeze fruit?

geez just live and let live, groundhogs are at most a nuisance.


More than a nuisance. Did you read original post?
Personally, I'd shoot them with a .22, set out Hav-a-hart traps and
shoot or drown what I caught. Poison is iffy but I'd put it deep in the
holes to keep other animals away. Practically any animal will eat rat
poison coated with peanut butter.

BTW, young groundhog tastes like chicken.

On Jun 20, 8:48*am, (Jack) wrote:
The east side property line is a paradise for woodchucks -- which are
called groundhogs here -- because it is defined by a line of about 50
mulberry and black cherry trees. *There's also a barbed wire fence.

The 'hogs are smart enough to excavate connecting burrows on either
side of the fence. *This eliminates the use of smoke bombs because you
need access to clog-up each hole. *That's hard to do with a barbed
wire fence. Those battery-powered noisemaking stakes don't work
either. *Instead of being driven away by the noise, the 'hogs attack
and destroy them. *The best solution the past 32 years has been a 12
gauge shotgun, but 'hogs ain't easy to hunt. *They are wary, and enjoy
excellent eyesight, hearing, and olfaction.

Had a guest who suffered a sprained ankle by inadvertently stepping
into a hole. *On another occasion a tractor wheel got stuck and it was
hell trying to free it. *Last year a 'hog ignored the vacant burrows
along the east side and started a new one under the house foundation.
But the worst problem are the piles of dirt and rocks outside the
burrows. *You have two options on mowing day: rake the debris back
into the hole, or carefully mow around the piles. *The second option
is better because if you continually rake the debris back into the
hole, the 'hog gets ****ed-off and starts a new hole. *Don't need any
new burrows.

On the bright side, I wounded one today, looked like a big alpha male.
A wound is as good as an outright kill because the infection will
finish him shortly. *But the news spread fast. *Not a half hour later,
a smaller one scampered along the row apparently to claim the more
desirable burrow where the big guy lived and which features both a
white and black mulberry tree within a few feet of it.

You need to get yourself a badger.