I've never seen weeds on greens, even on the
cheapest of golf courses. So does that mean
that the grass used for greens repels weeds
or is it because of the skills of green-keepers?

The reason I ask, is because I would like to
make part of my lawn suitable for putting on.

Would overseeding with green-type seed do, or
do I have to clear a patch down to the earth (no
big deal) and start afresh?

What seed would you recommend for Southern
Ontario (Canada)?

tia

Fred

Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

On Apr 17, 2:47*pm, Manco wrote:
Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

Roger that, and I'm not even a golfer.

Further to the subject of chemicals on grass: A friend introduced
me to the following idea: When your child or grandchild is invited on
a play
date that involves playing on the lawn, FIND OUT whether the
homeowners
put chemical fertilizer on the grass. If they do, your child must
not play
on that lawn.

Asked in a polite,non-preachy way, this will not only elicit the
required information, but
the homeowners might be glad to learn that this is a health problem
for children.

In message
,
Manco writes
Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

Thats a bit of a myth, most diseases and weeds etc can be controlled by
cultural practices. Furthermore, amenity ground comes under much
stricter control than agriculture and horticulture.

--
Alan Campbell

On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:39:41 +0100, Alan Campbell
wrote:

In message
,
Manco writes
Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

Thats a bit of a myth, most diseases and weeds etc can be controlled by
cultural practices. Furthermore, amenity ground comes under much
stricter control than agriculture and horticulture.

Golf greens are planted with grasses that choke out others... they're
often not true grass at all but a kind of very low growing ground
cover that is sturdy enough for golf greens but wouldn't hold up well
to backyard traffic. For a home putting green use a synthetic... best
is to actually play at a golf course... I'd not invest in a home
putting green, it will get very little use if any.

On Apr 18, 7:39*am, Alan Campbell
wrote:
In message
,
Manco writesOf course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

Thats a bit of a myth, most diseases and weeds etc can be controlled by
cultural practices. Furthermore, amenity ground comes under much
stricter control than agriculture and horticulture.

--
Alan Campbell

That's true. and some places do this, and at least in my experience,
you will always get a few weeds on the greens, which is a good sign,
IMHO. I wonder if they teach this in the greenskeepers programs in US
universities?

One thing I have also seen is the herbicides damage the soil
ecosystem, resulting in algal and fungal outbreaks attacking the
greens as a result, for which they use even more chemicals.

Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn.
Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up
the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod.

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn.
Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up
the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod.

He probably didn't water it either.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:03:49 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn.
Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up
the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod.

He probably didn't water it either.

I think it's been some 20 years since Chemlawn operated under that
name... they changed to Truegreen... "Chem" didn't go over too well.
Back then on Long Island Chemlawn trucks were as visible as Good Humor
trucks.

Most folks don't water lawns properly... really not possible without
an automatic irrigation system.

In article ,
says...

Dinosaur_Sr wrote:

Had a neighbour who used a company called chemlawn to keep his lawn.
Beautiful green lawn. Sold the house and the new owner didn't keep up
the chemlawn. Totally dead lawn within a year, and needed to resod.

He probably didn't water it either.

Watering lawns is a waste of a valuable resource, the water.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Manco
wrote:

Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

And it often works.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

In article ,
Howard Brazee wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Manco
wrote:

Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

And it often works.

While it kills anything natural around it e.g. soil organisms, insects,
natural plants, and leaves behind a residue of death (biocides).
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Howard Brazee wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Manco
wrote:

Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

And it often works.

While it kills anything natural around it e.g. soil organisms, insects,
natural plants, and leaves behind a residue of death (biocides).
--
- Billy

there's new products on the market and it's not quite the killer as you
describe above. Demand for new products that don't cause harm
to being green are in high demand and if that's what the people
will buy, it will/is be produced.

Not sure what I use but my home and yard attracts many birds of
severel species, it's a good thing I like worms though I do admitt the
nightcrawlers are kinda creepy (unless I'm fishing) my leaves on my
plants stay healthy until it's time for them to fall.

Read the package when you go shopping and you'll most likely find something
out there that will work for you and is not full poison. But then I'm not
looking for my yard to look like a golf course.

Donna
in WA zone8




"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
"Lelandite" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Howard Brazee wrote:

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT), Manco
wrote:

Of course golf course keepers use tons of chemicals to kill any weeds
on the greens and fairways.

And it often works.

While it kills anything natural around it e.g. soil organisms, insects,
natural plants, and leaves behind a residue of death (biocides).
--
- Billy

there's new products
that's a plural
on the market and
it's not
that's a singular (?)
quite the killer as you
describe above. Demand for new products that don't cause harm
to being green are in high demand and if that's what the people
will buy, it will/is be produced.

Corn gluten is used as a pre-emergent herbicide, and is organic, but one
whiff of Dow, or Monsanto: "RUN"!.

Not sure what I use but my home and yard attracts many birds of
severel species, it's a good thing I like worms though I do admitt the
nightcrawlers are kinda creepy (unless I'm fishing) my leaves on my
plants stay healthy until it's time for them to fall.

Read the package when you go shopping and you'll most likely find something
out there that will work for you and is not full poison. But then I'm not
looking for my yard to look like a golf course.

Lawns were (are) a conceit of the rich, demonstrating that they could
afford to leave some of their lands fallow. Understood or not, they are
status symbols, and not very interesting ones at that.


Donna
in WA zone8




"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

On 4/17/2010 4:59 PM, Fred Williams wrote:
I've never seen weeds on greens, even on the
cheapest of golf courses. So does that mean
that the grass used for greens repels weeds
or is it because of the skills of green-keepers?

The reason I ask, is because I would like to
make part of my lawn suitable for putting on.

Would overseeding with green-type seed do, or
do I have to clear a patch down to the earth (no
big deal) and start afresh?

What seed would you recommend for Southern
Ontario (Canada)?

tia

Fred



Grass depends where you live. Did not see your area he

http://www.putting-greens.com/types.html

I think they cut these things every day. That's got to be a PITA.

Frank wrote:
On 4/17/2010 4:59 PM, Fred Williams wrote:
I've never seen weeds on greens, even on the
cheapest of golf courses. So does that mean
that the grass used for greens repels weeds
or is it because of the skills of green-keepers?

The reason I ask, is because I would like to
make part of my lawn suitable for putting on.

Would overseeding with green-type seed do, or
do I have to clear a patch down to the earth (no
big deal) and start afresh?

What seed would you recommend for Southern
Ontario (Canada)?

tia

Fred



Grass depends where you live. Did not see your area he

http://www.putting-greens.com/types.html

I think they cut these things every day. That's got to be a PITA.

Also, golf greens are invariably a species of grass called "bent grass".
There are several varieties: Washington bent, Creeping bent, etc.
Planting, cultivating and caring for a bent grass plot makes doing the
same thing with a bluegrass/fescue mix look like child's play. If you
want to try it, make a physical barrier between your main lawn and the
area for your green. Otherwise the bent grass will slowly merge into
the bluegrass lawn, and make it look "ill" (bent grass is lower and
lighter in color than bluegrass/fescue). Scotts used to have a magazine
about lawn care, and one of the most frequently asked questions was on
the lines of: "Help! My neighbor's bent grass lawn seed washed into my
lawn during a heavy rainstorm, and now I have patches of bentgrass in my
lawn. How can I get rid of it?" O. M. Scott's polite answer was "You
can't". A true golf green as a part of your main lawn just doesn't
sound like a good idea.

Of course, if your home's lawn IS bent grass, forget everything I just
wrote above! :)

Tony