In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

Don't plant the greasy beans in with the bantam corn. They will over run and
pull it down. They need to be planted with something strong like Hickory
King.

You want tortillas, go for it. I want sweet corn. I'll give then 6 weeks
head start.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

On holiday in Europe, Bert noticed a marble column in a
church in Rome
with a golden telephone on it. As a young priest passed
by, Bert asked
who the telephone was for. The priest told him it was a
direct line to
Heaven, and if he'd like to call, it would be one thousand
dollars.
Bert was amazed, but declined the offer. Throughout Europe
Bert kept
seeing the same golden telephone on a marble column. At
each, he asked
about it and the answer was always the same: a direct line
to Heaven and
he could call for a thousand dollars.

Bert finished his European tour in Ireland. He decided to
attend Mass at
a local village church. When he walked in the door he
noticed the golden
telephone, but underneath it there was a sign stating:
DIRECT LINE TO
HEAVEN, 25 cents.

"Father," he said I have been all over Europe and in all
the cathedrals
I visited, I've seen telephones exactly like this one but
The price is
always $1000.00. Why is it that this one is only 25
cents?" The priest
smiled and said, "Son, you're in Ireland now. It's a local
call." ;O)

thoroughly enjoyed. But even Ireland hasn't figured
it
out that it costs a red penny to talk to God.

Your garden sounds wonderful. It's time like this when
I
wish I lived on a bigger lot. I miss my fresh greenbeans
and
peas and other veggies. But I do have tomatoes and squash
growing.

Donna
in WA

-----

The potatoes, as you might expect, seem to be right at
home in the
overcast and the rain, and we've the best crop of peas
that we've ever
had. The tomatoes, squash, and peppers are doing very
well, almost eerie
how they keep growing, and setting flowers in the face of
the cool
weather. The cucumbers and the melons are an intractable
lot, and just
sit there and stare at me, like, whaddaya expect from us?
Next time I'll
look for rain loving, German cucumbers, instead of heat
loving Armenian
and Persian. The Black Cohosh is almost in full bloom, and
the red
Valarian is satisfying the bees and the butterflies. There
are 31 pots
of basil in the garden. If we ever get any heat, it's
going to be "pesto
summer".

The cilantro, and chervil has just come up. I'm about to
germinate some
"Golden Bantam" corn. This will be from seed that has
grown here for the
last four years. One of these years, I hope to see it do
really well.
Got some "White Greasy Pole Beans" to go with 'em.
Strawberries are
swelling, and I'm tryin' to get some mulch under them. The
Prunella
vulgaris that I count on to keep my blood pressure down,
has joined
them. It's a real rascal of a plant, and keeps popping up
in unexpected
places, which is fine by me.

Finally having the last laugh on Mr. Raccoon. Most of our
mulched beds
have wire mesh over them, making them less easy for him to
dig up. I'm
sure he'll get some revenge, but it won't be all his own
way this year.
Squirrels is another matter. They seem to be bonkers for
the African
marigolds that I put out.

Watched "Don Camillo" last night. It stars French comedian
Fernandel as
Don Camillo, a Catholic priest who is at odds with his
childhood friend
and his rural village's newly elected Communist mayor,
Peppone (Gino
Cervi). A simple, lovable movie from another time, and
another place.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism
because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

Don't plant the greasy beans in with the bantam corn. They will over run
and
pull it down. They need to be planted with something strong like Hickory
King.

You want tortillas, go for it. I want sweet corn. I'll give then 6 weeks
head start.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html


You're probably going to regret that. Greasy beans are strong runners that
will run to over 9 feet with many forks. I'm not trying to influence your
diet, just be helpful. It's virtually impossible to pick either the corn or
the beans from a tangled heap on the ground. Been there, done that once was
enough. Sweet corn is not strong enough to hold the beans upright. Best of
luck,
Steve

In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

Don't plant the greasy beans in with the bantam corn. They will over run
and
pull it down. They need to be planted with something strong like Hickory
King.

You want tortillas, go for it. I want sweet corn. I'll give then 6 weeks
head start.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html


You're probably going to regret that. Greasy beans are strong runners that
will run to over 9 feet with many forks. I'm not trying to influence your
diet, just be helpful. It's virtually impossible to pick either the corn or
the beans from a tangled heap on the ground. Been there, done that once was
enough. Sweet corn is not strong enough to hold the beans upright. Best of
luck,
Steve

Well, it will be a first. I've had miserable luck getting beans to grow
on corn. About the most I expect from the corn is seed for next year.
I'm just kinda hoping that one of these years the Bantam corn is going
to acclimate to the north side of the hill P
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
"Lelandite" wrote:


On holiday in Europe, Bert noticed a marble column in a
church in Rome
with a golden telephone on it. As a young priest passed
by, Bert asked
who the telephone was for. The priest told him it was a
direct line to
Heaven, and if he'd like to call, it would be one thousand
dollars.
Bert was amazed, but declined the offer. Throughout Europe
Bert kept
seeing the same golden telephone on a marble column. At
each, he asked
about it and the answer was always the same: a direct line
to Heaven and
he could call for a thousand dollars.

Bert finished his European tour in Ireland. He decided to
attend Mass at
a local village church. When he walked in the door he
noticed the golden
telephone, but underneath it there was a sign stating:
DIRECT LINE TO
HEAVEN, 25 cents.

"Father," he said I have been all over Europe and in all
the cathedrals
I visited, I've seen telephones exactly like this one but
The price is
always $1000.00. Why is it that this one is only 25
cents?" The priest
smiled and said, "Son, you're in Ireland now. It's a local
call." ;O)

thoroughly enjoyed. But even Ireland hasn't figured
it
out that it costs a red penny to talk to God.

Your garden sounds wonderful. It's time like this when
I
wish I lived on a bigger lot. I miss my fresh greenbeans
and
peas and other veggies. But I do have tomatoes and squash
growing.

Donna
in WA

I presume that your having the same miserable weather that we're having,
except in spades. Woke up to rain this morning. Rain predicted for
tomorrow, with possibility of showers on Fri., grrr. I see that they've
got rain in the midwest too, only they are some 10 degrees warmer than
here.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
"Lelandite" wrote:


On holiday in Europe, Bert noticed a marble column in a
church in Rome
with a golden telephone on it. As a young priest passed
by, Bert asked
who the telephone was for. The priest told him it was a
direct line to
Heaven, and if he'd like to call, it would be one thousand
dollars.
Bert was amazed, but declined the offer. Throughout Europe
Bert kept
seeing the same golden telephone on a marble column. At
each, he asked
about it and the answer was always the same: a direct line
to Heaven and
he could call for a thousand dollars.

Bert finished his European tour in Ireland. He decided to
attend Mass at
a local village church. When he walked in the door he
noticed the golden
telephone, but underneath it there was a sign stating:
DIRECT LINE TO
HEAVEN, 25 cents.

"Father," he said I have been all over Europe and in all
the cathedrals
I visited, I've seen telephones exactly like this one but
The price is
always $1000.00. Why is it that this one is only 25
cents?" The priest
smiled and said, "Son, you're in Ireland now. It's a local
call." ;O)

thoroughly enjoyed. But even Ireland hasn't figured
it
out that it costs a red penny to talk to God.

Your garden sounds wonderful. It's time like this when
I
wish I lived on a bigger lot. I miss my fresh greenbeans
and
peas and other veggies. But I do have tomatoes and squash
growing.

Donna
in WA

I presume that your having the same miserable weather that we're having,
except in spades. Woke up to rain this morning. Rain predicted for
tomorrow, with possibility of showers on Fri., grrr. I see that they've
got rain in the midwest too, only they are some 10 degrees warmer than
here.

Sort of reminds of a very dry spell we once had. Being smart I brought
in all sorts of mulch . I was ready but the next year it was too wet
and being too wet is impossible to deal with I think. Guess we have to
be flexible and lucky and ................

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
What use one more wake up call?

On Tue, 25 May 2010 09:19:47 -0400, "Steve Peek"
wrote:


"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Steve Peek" wrote:

Don't plant the greasy beans in with the bantam corn. They will over run
and
pull it down. They need to be planted with something strong like Hickory
King.

You want tortillas, go for it. I want sweet corn. I'll give then 6 weeks
head start.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html


You're probably going to regret that. Greasy beans are strong runners that
will run to over 9 feet with many forks. I'm not trying to influence your
diet, just be helpful. It's virtually impossible to pick either the corn or
the beans from a tangled heap on the ground. Been there, done that once was
enough. Sweet corn is not strong enough to hold the beans upright. Best of
luck,
Steve

I've had cukes climbing okra with good results.

How does this relate to gardening you stupid ****??


"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Higgs Boson wrote:

On May 21, 6:44 pm, wrote:
Our Muslim heritage

Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam
has always been a part of America 's story." '

He's turned out to be just another politician, kissing ass where he
deems
it expedient, especially to Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Pharma, Big
Insurance,
and Big Wall Street. The entities that are really runniing our
country.

Amazing, how a guy I thought was smart, doesn't realize you don't
extend your hand to mad dogs
who want to bite it off -- whether they're from hostile Muslims or
from the equally-hostile, destructive,
un-American far-far-far-Right wing Republican party (what's left of it
after it's been taken over by those
who openly said, from Inauguration Day onward, that they are working
to wreck Obama's presidency).
Note: I'm an Independent voter, but I really hoped for better from
Obama.

[...]

I'm with you on this. Still I think we get what we deserve and I do
not see ( in the media) few complaining intelligent voices. God I miss
Bill Moyers already and Keilor is getting there too. What to do?

Saw this (below) the other day. If being smart is a good thing with
all those Harvard folks going to wall street. Wonder I think not still
education of the heart is needed and it may be helped by example and
nothing else. Here is something else just to contradict myself I saw
the other day.

Isn't it obvious that what the public thinks doesn't matter.

Sunday, May 23, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows
that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack
Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%)
Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating
of -17

27% are even somewhat confident that Congress knows what it¹s doing when
addressing that nation¹s economic challenges.

Forty-one percent (41%) of voters say that a group of people randomly
selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current
Congress. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ama_administra
tion/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

What we need is for these "baby killers" to bring our troops home, cut
military spending in half, and give us campaign finance reform, but . .
. that ain't gonna happen.

What will happen is national wealth will keep disappearing into private
pockets, and we'll be left with a huge public debt, like Greece, and
just when the citizenry start to boil over, a "new threat" will emerge
to take our minds off what a bunch of thieves they are. If they though
they had enough bayonets, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Welcome to the "new and improved" feudalism.

............

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-05/uonr-bih052010.php

Public release date: 20-May-2010
[ Print | E-mail | Share ] [ Close Window ]

Contact: Claudene Wharton

775-784-1169
University of Nevada, Reno
Books in home as important as parents' education in determining
children's education level
University of Nevada, Reno, sociologist leads 20-year study of over
70,000 cases in 27 countries
RENO, Nev. * Whether rich or poor, residents of the United States or
China, illiterate or college graduates, parents who have books in the
home increase the level of education their children will attain,
according to a 20-year study led by Mariah Evans, University of Nevada,
Reno associate professor of sociology and resource economics.
For years, educators have thought the strongest predictor of attaining
high levels of education was having parents who were highly educated.
But, strikingly, this massive study showed that the difference between
being raised in a bookless home compared to being raised in a home with
a 500-book library has as great an effect on the level of education a
child will attain as having parents who are barely literate (3 years of
education) compared to having parents who have a university education
(15 or 16 years of education). Both factors, having a 500-book library
or having university-educated parents, propel a child 3.2 years further
in education, on average.
Being a sociologist, Evans was particularly interested to find that
children of lesser-educated parents benefit the most from having books
in the home. She has been looking for ways to help Nevada's rural
communities, in terms of economic development and education.
"What kinds of investments should we be making to help these kids get
ahead?" she asked. "The results of this study indicate that getting some
books into their homes is an inexpensive way that we can help these
children succeed."
Evans said, "Even a little bit goes a long way," in terms of the number
of books in a home. Having as few as 20 books in the home still has a
significant impact on propelling a child to a higher level of education,
and the more books you add, the greater the benefit.
"You get a lot of 'bang for your book'," she said. "It's quite a good
return-on-investment in a time of scarce resources."
In some countries, such as China, having 500 or more books in the home
propels children 6.6 years further in their education. In the United
States, the effect is less, 2.4 years, than the 3.2-year average
advantage experienced across all 27 countries in the study. But, Evans
points out that 2.4 years is still a significant advantage in terms of
educational attainment.
For example, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community
Survey, Americans who have some college or an associate's degree, but
not a bachelor's degree, earn an average of $7,213 more annually than
those with just a high school education. Those who attain a bachelor's
degree earn $21,185 more each year, on average, than those with just
high school diplomas.
The study by Evans and her colleagues at Nevada, UCLA and Australian
National University is one of the largest and most comprehensive studies
ever conducted on what influences the level of education a child will
attain.
The researchers were struck by the strong effect having books in the
home had on children's educational attainment even above and beyond such
factors as education level of the parents, the country's GDP, the
father's occupation or the political system of the country.
Having books in the home is twice as important as the father's education
level, and more important than whether a child was reared in China or
the United States. Surprisingly, the difference in educational
attainment for children born in the United States and children born in
China was just 2 years, less than two-thirds the effect that having 500
or more books in the home had on children (3.2 years).

###
The study, "Family scholarly culture and educational success: Books and
schooling in 27 nations," was published in the journal, Research in
Social Stratification and Mobility (online at www.sciencedirect.com).
Nevada's land-grant university founded in 1874, the University of
Nevada, Reno has an enrollment of nearly 17,000 students. The University
is home to one the country's largest study-abroad programs and the
state's medical school, and offers outreach and education programs in
all Nevada counties. For more information, visit www.unr.edu.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
"Thos" wrote:

How does this relate to gardening you stupid ****??
Which stupid **** are you talking to asshole?


"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Higgs Boson wrote:

On May 21, 6:44 pm, wrote:
Our Muslim heritage

Barack OBAMA, during his Cairo speech, said: "I know, too, that Islam
has always been a part of America 's story." '

He's turned out to be just another politician, kissing ass where he
deems
it expedient, especially to Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Pharma, Big
Insurance,
and Big Wall Street. The entities that are really runniing our
country.

Amazing, how a guy I thought was smart, doesn't realize you don't
extend your hand to mad dogs
who want to bite it off -- whether they're from hostile Muslims or
from the equally-hostile, destructive,
un-American far-far-far-Right wing Republican party (what's left of it
after it's been taken over by those
who openly said, from Inauguration Day onward, that they are working
to wreck Obama's presidency).
Note: I'm an Independent voter, but I really hoped for better from
Obama.

[...]

I'm with you on this. Still I think we get what we deserve and I do
not see ( in the media) few complaining intelligent voices. God I miss
Bill Moyers already and Keilor is getting there too. What to do?

Saw this (below) the other day. If being smart is a good thing with
all those Harvard folks going to wall street. Wonder I think not still
education of the heart is needed and it may be helped by example and
nothing else. Here is something else just to contradict myself I saw
the other day.

Isn't it obvious that what the public thinks doesn't matter.

Sunday, May 23, 2010
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows
that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack
Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%)
Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating
of -17

27% are even somewhat confident that Congress knows what it¹s doing when
addressing that nation¹s economic challenges.

Forty-one percent (41%) of voters say that a group of people randomly
selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current
Congress. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ama_administra
tion/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

What we need is for these "baby killers" to bring our troops home, cut
military spending in half, and give us campaign finance reform, but . .
. that ain't gonna happen.

What will happen is national wealth will keep disappearing into private
pockets, and we'll be left with a huge public debt, like Greece, and
just when the citizenry start to boil over, a "new threat" will emerge
to take our minds off what a bunch of thieves they are. If they though
they had enough bayonets, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Welcome to the "new and improved" feudalism.

............

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-05/uonr-bih052010.php

Public release date: 20-May-2010
[ Print | E-mail | Share ] [ Close Window ]

Contact: Claudene Wharton

775-784-1169
University of Nevada, Reno
Books in home as important as parents' education in determining
children's education level
University of Nevada, Reno, sociologist leads 20-year study of over
70,000 cases in 27 countries
RENO, Nev. * Whether rich or poor, residents of the United States or
China, illiterate or college graduates, parents who have books in the
home increase the level of education their children will attain,
according to a 20-year study led by Mariah Evans, University of Nevada,
Reno associate professor of sociology and resource economics.
For years, educators have thought the strongest predictor of attaining
high levels of education was having parents who were highly educated.
But, strikingly, this massive study showed that the difference between
being raised in a bookless home compared to being raised in a home with
a 500-book library has as great an effect on the level of education a
child will attain as having parents who are barely literate (3 years of
education) compared to having parents who have a university education
(15 or 16 years of education). Both factors, having a 500-book library
or having university-educated parents, propel a child 3.2 years further
in education, on average.
Being a sociologist, Evans was particularly interested to find that
children of lesser-educated parents benefit the most from having books
in the home. She has been looking for ways to help Nevada's rural
communities, in terms of economic development and education.
"What kinds of investments should we be making to help these kids get
ahead?" she asked. "The results of this study indicate that getting some
books into their homes is an inexpensive way that we can help these
children succeed."
Evans said, "Even a little bit goes a long way," in terms of the number
of books in a home. Having as few as 20 books in the home still has a
significant impact on propelling a child to a higher level of education,
and the more books you add, the greater the benefit.
"You get a lot of 'bang for your book'," she said. "It's quite a good
return-on-investment in a time of scarce resources."
In some countries, such as China, having 500 or more books in the home
propels children 6.6 years further in their education. In the United
States, the effect is less, 2.4 years, than the 3.2-year average
advantage experienced across all 27 countries in the study. But, Evans
points out that 2.4 years is still a significant advantage in terms of
educational attainment.
For example, according to the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community
Survey, Americans who have some college or an associate's degree, but
not a bachelor's degree, earn an average of $7,213 more annually than
those with just a high school education. Those who attain a bachelor's
degree earn $21,185 more each year, on average, than those with just
high school diplomas.
The study by Evans and her colleagues at Nevada, UCLA and Australian
National University is one of the largest and most comprehensive studies
ever conducted on what influences the level of education a child will
attain.
The researchers were struck by the strong effect having books in the
home had on children's educational attainment even above and beyond such
factors as education level of the parents, the country's GDP, the
father's occupation or the political system of the country.
Having books in the home is twice as important as the father's education
level, and more important than whether a child was reared in China or
the United States. Surprisingly, the difference in educational
attainment for children born in the United States and children born in
China was just 2 years, less than two-thirds the effect that having 500
or more books in the home had on children (3.2 years).

###
The study, "Family scholarly culture and educational success: Books and
schooling in 27 nations," was published in the journal, Research in
Social Stratification and Mobility (online at www.sciencedirect.com).
Nevada's land-grant university founded in 1874, the University of
Nevada, Reno has an enrollment of nearly 17,000 students. The University
is home to one the country's largest study-abroad programs and the
state's medical school, and offers outreach and education programs in
all Nevada counties. For more information, visit www.unr.edu.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

schreef:

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE

[...]


What the hell has this rubbish to do with gardening?

And I will never understand how it can be possible that men just classify
human beings because of such things as religion, race or gender. We all
should have learned from history where such an attitude leads to.

Islam is one of the bigger religions in this world. Being a happy atheist I
think that all religions should hve the same rights. why sould a certain
religion be discriminated and the other ones not?

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk

--
D. Weber
Arft, Germany (50°23'N 7°5'E)
If possible, no html mails please

In article ,
Dirk Weber wrote:

schreef:

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE

[...]


What the hell has this rubbish to do with gardening?

And I will never understand how it can be possible that men just classify
human beings because of such things as religion, race or gender. We all
should have learned from history where such an attitude leads to.

Islam is one of the bigger religions in this world. Being a happy atheist I
think that all religions should hve the same rights. why sould a certain
religion be discriminated and the other ones not?

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk

You are right, of course, we will be moving on to more appropriates
subjects now.

Germany, eh? Woher? Do you grow cucumbers, and if so, what kind? What
else do you grow?
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article ,
Dirk Weber wrote:

schreef:

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE

[...]


What the hell has this rubbish to do with gardening?

And I will never understand how it can be possible that men just classify
human beings because of such things as religion, race or gender. We all
should have learned from history where such an attitude leads to.

Islam is one of the bigger religions in this world. Being a happy atheist I
think that all religions should hve the same rights. why sould a certain
religion be discriminated and the other ones not?

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk

Entshudigen Sie mir, bitte. Es ist eine lange Zeit, seit Ich habe auf
Deutsch geschreibt. Wo wohnen Sie in Deutschland and welche Art von
Gemüse bauen Sie an??
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Dirk Weber wrote:

schreef:

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE

[...]


What the hell has this rubbish to do with gardening?

And I will never understand how it can be possible that men just classify
human beings because of such things as religion, race or gender. We all
should have learned from history where such an attitude leads to.

Islam is one of the bigger religions in this world. Being a happy atheist I
think that all religions should hve the same rights. why sould a certain
religion be discriminated and the other ones not?

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk

Entshudigen Sie mir, bitte. Es ist eine lange Zeit, seit Ich habe auf
Deutsch geschreibt. Wo wohnen Sie in Deutschland and welche Art von
Gemüse bauen Sie an??

I was wondering if the noise here about 10% OK 20% depends on the mind
perceiving. But I personality am very easy on stopping some possible
useful info that is of no import. I look for connections like soil
water retention and biotic health and outside influx like gulf oil small
oil spills. Wonder if mine and yours will know what an oyster is
..Granted if one must read every thing you could get a head ache.
Take a nap.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden
What use one more wake up call?

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Dirk Weber wrote:

schreef:

AN AMERICAN CITIZEN'S RESPONSE

[...]


What the hell has this rubbish to do with gardening?

And I will never understand how it can be possible that men just classify
human beings because of such things as religion, race or gender. We all
should have learned from history where such an attitude leads to.

Islam is one of the bigger religions in this world. Being a happy atheist
I
think that all religions should hve the same rights. why sould a certain
religion be discriminated and the other ones not?

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk

Entshudigen Sie mir, bitte. Es ist eine lange Zeit, seit Ich habe auf
Deutsch geschreibt. Wo wohnen Sie in Deutschland and welche Art von
Gemüse bauen Sie an??

I was wondering if the noise here about 10% OK 20% depends on the mind
perceiving. But I personality am very easy on stopping some possible
useful info that is of no import. I look for connections like soil
water retention and biotic health and outside influx like gulf oil small
oil spills. Wonder if mine and yours will know what an oyster is
.Granted if one must read every thing you could get a head ache.
Take a nap.

I do. Helps a little.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html

Billy schreef:

You are right, of course, we will be moving on to more appropriates
subjects now.

ok, makes more sen;-)

Germany, eh? Woher? Do you grow cucumbers, and if so, what kind? What
else do you grow?
You see the coordinates in the signature? Have a look at openmaps or some
other map site and you will see that we live in western Germany, in a
region called "Eifel", a bit hilly, a lot of forests and unfortunately not
so many work places. We live some 3 or 4 miles away from the Nürburgring,
maybe you have heard of that racing course.

We bought a small house here in Arft some years ago. It is a bit older, was
built in 1928 as a small farm house (very small farm, just one or two cows
and a pig, people in this region were very poor. We have some 600 square
meters of ground in total which results in some 350 square meters for our
garden.

Since we are no farmers (my wife is a nurse and I am an office worker) we
do not have much time for gardening. So we just have that very old plum
tree and a lot of grass. We plan to plant some hedges in order to get rid
of that ugly fence. And some bushes for the toads to hide under.

We live some 520 meters above sea level which results in our climate to be
a bit rougher than in the Rhine valley. This year's spring was lousy, cold
and wet. Some two weeks ago we even had some night frost, today it is
rather misty.

There is not really a chance to grow cucumbers here unless you grow them in
a greenhouse. Same with tomatoes. But we had very tasty strawberries here.
Unfortunately my wife is allergic against strawberries, so we removed them.

We intend to grow some herbs. Problem is that we have little time and there
is only a short time to bring the seeds into the ground. In March we still
had snow and it was rather cold, now it is already too late. So maybe next
year. We will set up a kind of "pocket greenhouse" for the herbs then it
should work.

Groetjes uit Arft,

Dirk Weber

ps

that is Dutch and means greetings from Arft ;-)
I worked for some three years in The Netherlands and learned some Dutch
there.
dw

--
D. Weber
Arft, Germany (50°23'N 7°5'E)
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