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Bees, anyone?
Hi,
My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: https://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ec...d2OUE6MQ#gid=0 If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Thanks for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hear from you. Estelle |
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ectosaur wrote:
Hi, My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: http://tinyurl.com/5u2vhrx If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Buzz off :) I will stick with the pros: https://www.dadant.com/ -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:38:11 +0000, ectosaur wrote:
( EDITED QUOTE ) Hi, My name's Estelle I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: Thanks for taking the time to read this. Estelle Ok, I will check it out. You sound like a nice person. |
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On Jan 27, 5:38*am, ectosaur
wrote: Hi, My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: http://tinyurl.com/5u2vhrx If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Thanks for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hear from you. Estelle -- ectosaur I took your little survey and hope the responses are helpful in your project. I didn't set out to keep bees; a friend of mine asked if he could use my garden, so I said OK; it sounded kewl, and I would be getting honey. It was awesome! When they swarmed, they hung from my apricot tree in a huge bulge; not dangerous; just waiting till the queen signals it's time to go. The only reason I discontinued was that a neighbor mentioned that he was having bees in his attic. I was afraid to get ticketed or whatever, since it isn't permitted, so eventually I had to ask the friend to remove them. But it was a great experience while it lasted. HB |
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On Jan 27, 5:38 am, ectosaur wrote: Hi, My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: http://tinyurl.com/5u2vhrx If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Thanks for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hear from you. Estelle -- ectosaur I took your little survey and hope the responses are helpful in your project. I didn't set out to keep bees; a friend of mine asked if he could use my garden, so I said OK; it sounded kewl, and I would be getting honey. It was awesome! When they swarmed, they hung from my apricot tree in a huge bulge; not dangerous; just waiting till the queen signals it's time to go. The only reason I discontinued was that a neighbor mentioned that he was having bees in his attic. I was afraid to get ticketed or whatever, since it isn't permitted, so eventually I had to ask the friend to remove them. But it was a great experience while it lasted. HB If you live in the boondocks beekeeping is ok, if they swarm.. So what... However, the beekeeper should have inspected the hive more often and should have removed extra queens bees from the hive as they are formed. this helps minimize swarms. When beekeepers put hives in other people yards the hive inspections tend to bee (pun) non existent. Beekeeping and gardening timings are almost the same. From planting to harvest. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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says... My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm scared of getting stung. Because pain hurts. Also, I live in the 'blurbs. So my neighbours probably wouldn't be thrilled, either. -- Get Credit Where Credit Is Due http://www.cardreport.com/ Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:26:38 +0000, Nad R wrote:
Higgs Boson wrote: On Jan 27, 5:38 am, ectosaur wrote: Hi, My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: http://tinyurl.com/5u2vhrx If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Thanks for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hear from you. Estelle -- ectosaur I took your little survey and hope the responses are helpful in your project. I didn't set out to keep bees; a friend of mine asked if he could use my garden, so I said OK; it sounded kewl, and I would be getting honey. It was awesome! When they swarmed, they hung from my apricot tree in a huge bulge; not dangerous; just waiting till the queen signals it's time to go. The only reason I discontinued was that a neighbor mentioned that he was having bees in his attic. I was afraid to get ticketed or whatever, since it isn't permitted, so eventually I had to ask the friend to remove them. But it was a great experience while it lasted. HB If you live in the boondocks beekeeping is ok, if they swarm.. So what... However, the beekeeper should have inspected the hive more often and should have removed extra queens bees from the hive as they are formed. this helps minimize swarms. When beekeepers put hives in other people yards the hive inspections tend to bee (pun) non existent. Removing extra queens is a poor method of preventing swarms, it is far better to make sure they have enough brood space at all times so that they have no reason to make the extra queens in the first place, both for better swarm prevention and for better hive health. I recommend that anyone considering honeybees read "Hive Management: A Seasonal Guide for Beekeepers" *before* getting their first hive. http://www.amazon.com/Hive-Managemen...rs-Down-Earth/ dp/0882666371 Beekeeping and gardening timings are almost the same. From planting to harvest. |
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Glen Walpert wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:26:38 +0000, Nad R wrote: Higgs Boson wrote: On Jan 27, 5:38 am, ectosaur wrote: Hi, My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm hoping to try and address some of the barriers to beekeeping through product design. I was wondering if anyone here has ever considered keeping bees? If so, what was the outcome? If not, would you ever consider keeping bees? I've put together a wee questionnaire that basically asks the same questions, and I'd be immensely grateful if anyone finds the time to fill it out: http://tinyurl.com/5u2vhrx If questionnaires aren't your thing, just let me know your thoughts here! Thanks for taking the time to read this, I look forward to hear from you. Estelle -- ectosaur I took your little survey and hope the responses are helpful in your project. I didn't set out to keep bees; a friend of mine asked if he could use my garden, so I said OK; it sounded kewl, and I would be getting honey. It was awesome! When they swarmed, they hung from my apricot tree in a huge bulge; not dangerous; just waiting till the queen signals it's time to go. The only reason I discontinued was that a neighbor mentioned that he was having bees in his attic. I was afraid to get ticketed or whatever, since it isn't permitted, so eventually I had to ask the friend to remove them. But it was a great experience while it lasted. HB If you live in the boondocks beekeeping is ok, if they swarm.. So what... However, the beekeeper should have inspected the hive more often and should have removed extra queens bees from the hive as they are formed. this helps minimize swarms. When beekeepers put hives in other people yards the hive inspections tend to bee (pun) non existent. Removing extra queens is a poor method of preventing swarms, it is far better to make sure they have enough brood space at all times so that they have no reason to make the extra queens in the first place, both for better swarm prevention and for better hive health. I recommend that anyone considering honeybees read "Hive Management: A Seasonal Guide for Beekeepers" *before* getting their first hive. http://www.amazon.com/Hive-Managemen...rs-Down-Earth/ dp/0882666371 Beekeeping and gardening timings are almost the same. From planting to harvest. I will agree with that. However, an occasional inspection can help. Even with that extra brood space they can still make extra queens. The bees will not swarm without a queen. Where there is a swarm their is a queen leading them. I know that inspecting too often will give the honey a smokey off taste so inspections is a balancing act. Like i said in the country who cares. Bees in the city needs greater care. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Coffee's For Closers wrote:
In article , says... My name's Estelle and I'm a product design engineering student at the University of Glasgow investigating the reasons why people choose or are put off beekeeping. I'm scared of getting stung. Because pain hurts. Also, I live in the 'blurbs. So my neighbours probably wouldn't be thrilled, either. My fruit trees wouldn't complain. A neighbor a couple blocks away has several hives, and I've heard of no problems. |
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Thanks for all your responses, and the comments on my survey, which were really helpful - I'm sure if I ever have to write another survey for any reason it'll be much better! I did put some time into making it, but probably ended up focusing too much on getting it to ask questions dependent to the previous answer, instead of constructing stronger questions. Thanks for putting up with it in any case :) Higgs Boson, your story is particularly interesting, as it's the kind of situation I've been thinking about in more detail. I've noticed quite a lot of people keep their bees away from their homes, and was looking to design a tool to make it easier to look after them. My current idea is to fit a sensor package that monitors weight, temperature and acoustic feed to a beehive, with the data collected transmitted wirelessly to the beekeeper. From the weight you can get an idea of the size of the colony so you can decide whether to go and check if you need to expand the space. Apparently listening to the frequency of the 'buzz' inside the hive can be used to predict swarming (Beesource Beekeeping Apidictor) so the system could give an alert if the swarming frequency is detected. Here's a wee concept sheet illustrating the idea: sensorconcept.jpg picture by ulk - Photobucket Does anyone have any thoughts, comments or criticisms about this idea? Just for the record I'm not trying to revolutionise beekeeping with my mad design skills, just exploring how technology might enable a wider range of people to take it up. Cheers again! Estelle |
I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :)
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hollierose wrote:
I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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hollierose wrote:
Nad R;911766 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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hollierose wrote:
Nad R;911836 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911766 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. - When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Thanks, I learnt something new there! To be honest even though I don't really mind bees I would never approach a beehive. I find it odd that the queen can sting as much as she likes without dying, am I correct when I see she is significantly larger than the other bees? - that's what I've been told, if so, that's pretty interesting too and I wonder why that is. :S Queens are larger but rarely seen. One queen to about thirty thousand drones. If you see a swarm there is a queen in the middle. It will be a young queen that does this. Once the colony finds a home, empty log or another hive. The queen never leaves the hive, lives it's entire life in the dark, becomes blind and makes more bees. The worker bees and drones serve the queen, feeds it royal jelly and protects it. In the north, honey bees typically will not survive the winter without a hive. So many do not worry about swarms in the north. Honey bees are not native to the Americas. Honey bees comes from Europe. The Italian bees are the mildest and the most commonly used by beekeepers. Now the most common bee one sees in the garden in the americas are bumble bees, they do not produce honey for human use and are native to the Americas. To me the Bumble Bee is the cool one and probably the one that is in the most danger of survival. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote: hollierose wrote: Nad R;911836 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911766 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. - When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Thanks, I learnt something new there! To be honest even though I don't really mind bees I would never approach a beehive. I find it odd that the queen can sting as much as she likes without dying, am I correct when I see she is significantly larger than the other bees? - that's what I've been told, if so, that's pretty interesting too and I wonder why that is. :S Queens are larger but rarely seen. One queen to about thirty thousand drones. If you see a swarm there is a queen in the middle. It will be a young queen that does this. Once the colony finds a home, empty log or another hive. The queen never leaves the hive, lives it's entire life in the dark, becomes blind and makes more bees. The worker bees and drones serve the queen, feeds it royal jelly and protects it. In the north, honey bees typically will not survive the winter without a hive. So many do not worry about swarms in the north. Honey bees are not native to the Americas. Honey bees comes from Europe. The Italian bees are the mildest and the most commonly used by beekeepers. Now the most common bee one sees in the garden in the americas are bumble bees, they do not produce honey for human use and are native to the Americas. To me the Bumble Bee is the cool one and probably the one that is in the most danger of survival. Just so we keep this in focus, "animals provide pollination services for over three-quarters of the staple crop plants that feed human kind and for 90% of all flowering plants in the world." http://www.pmac.net/birdbee.htm Man, them carpenter bees look like bad dudes ;O) -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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On Feb 1, 2:15*pm, Nad R wrote:
hollierose wrote: Nad R;911766 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? *Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R *(Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! *Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. Is there a human parallel? HB |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R wrote: hollierose wrote: Nad R;911836 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911766 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. - When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Thanks, I learnt something new there! To be honest even though I don't really mind bees I would never approach a beehive. I find it odd that the queen can sting as much as she likes without dying, am I correct when I see she is significantly larger than the other bees? - that's what I've been told, if so, that's pretty interesting too and I wonder why that is. :S Queens are larger but rarely seen. One queen to about thirty thousand drones. If you see a swarm there is a queen in the middle. It will be a young queen that does this. Once the colony finds a home, empty log or another hive. The queen never leaves the hive, lives it's entire life in the dark, becomes blind and makes more bees. The worker bees and drones serve the queen, feeds it royal jelly and protects it. In the north, honey bees typically will not survive the winter without a hive. So many do not worry about swarms in the north. Honey bees are not native to the Americas. Honey bees comes from Europe. The Italian bees are the mildest and the most commonly used by beekeepers. Now the most common bee one sees in the garden in the americas are bumble bees, they do not produce honey for human use and are native to the Americas. To me the Bumble Bee is the cool one and probably the one that is in the most danger of survival. Just so we keep this in focus, "animals provide pollination services for over three-quarters of the staple crop plants that feed human kind and for 90% of all flowering plants in the world." http://www.pmac.net/birdbee.htm Man, them carpenter bees look like bad dudes ;O) The mean ones are the yellow jackets here. Many call them wasp, I still think of them as bees. However yellow jackets pollenate also. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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ectosaur wrote:
Nad R;911874 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911836 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911766 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. - When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Thanks, I learnt something new there! To be honest even though I don't really mind bees I would never approach a beehive. I find it odd that the queen can sting as much as she likes without dying, am I correct when I see she is significantly larger than the other bees? - that's what I've been told, if so, that's pretty interesting too and I wonder why that is. :S - Queens are larger but rarely seen. One queen to about thirty thousand drones. If you see a swarm there is a queen in the middle. It will be a young queen that does this. Once the colony finds a home, empty log or another hive. The queen never leaves the hive, lives it's entire life in the dark, becomes blind and makes more bees. The worker bees and drones serve the queen, feeds it royal jelly and protects it. In the north, honey bees typically will not survive the winter without a hive. So many do not worry about swarms in the north. Honey bees are not native to the Americas. Honey bees comes from Europe. The Italian bees are the mildest and the most commonly used by beekeepers. Now the most common bee one sees in the garden in the americas are bumble bees, they do not produce honey for human use and are native to the Americas. To me the Bumble Bee is the cool one and probably the one that is in the most danger of survival. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way. Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote: ectosaur wrote: Nad R;911874 Wrote: hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911836 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- Nad R;911766 Wrote: - hollierose wrote:- I filled in the questionnaire. :) I'd like to keep bees, it's just time, I don't have much of it and I don't have the right outdoor space, that and I don't know very much about them either.. Although I do like them. They are lovely creatures. :) - Lovely creatures? Bees can KILL. Yorkshire Terriers, now they are lovely creatures. Like a few other creatures, they can only harm your heart and your wallet :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Bees, unlike wasps, only sting when they are very scared.. And they can die when they sting too. So because they don't do it to be spiteful, I don't hold it against them. - When near a hive, if ONE bees stings you, it can sets off a hormone that bees react to. If bees in the hive detect that hormone, Almost ALL the bees in that hive will come out and sting that same spot or nearby that first sting. Now that is where that smoker comes in, it blocks that chemical hormone so other bees may not know about. The smoke confuses the bees. So one sting or two should have no effect on the other bees. Without the suit or the smoker.... RUN if you can! Also carry an injectable drug called Epinephrine, just in case. One odd thing, the queen can sting as much as she wants without dying. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)- Thanks, I learnt something new there! To be honest even though I don't really mind bees I would never approach a beehive. I find it odd that the queen can sting as much as she likes without dying, am I correct when I see she is significantly larger than the other bees? - that's what I've been told, if so, that's pretty interesting too and I wonder why that is. :S - Queens are larger but rarely seen. One queen to about thirty thousand drones. If you see a swarm there is a queen in the middle. It will be a young queen that does this. Once the colony finds a home, empty log or another hive. The queen never leaves the hive, lives it's entire life in the dark, becomes blind and makes more bees. The worker bees and drones serve the queen, feeds it royal jelly and protects it. In the north, honey bees typically will not survive the winter without a hive. So many do not worry about swarms in the north. Honey bees are not native to the Americas. Honey bees comes from Europe. The Italian bees are the mildest and the most commonly used by beekeepers. Now the most common bee one sees in the garden in the americas are bumble bees, they do not produce honey for human use and are native to the Americas. To me the Bumble Bee is the cool one and probably the one that is in the most danger of survival. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way. Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. Mosquitos too. -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way.
Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. Mosquitos too. After googling, I learned something new. I thought bats were for bug control only. But it does explain an odd thing in my life. While weening my transplants in early spring. I brought my plants inside when the weather got below 40 degrees. After bring in one pot of flowers inside. I saw a bat crawl out from the pot inside the house. AHHHHH!!!!!!!! I quickly put a clear plastic bowl over it. It was screaming and I could see it's teeth as it looked me straight in the eyes! By looking at me in the eyes, it seemed to have some basic intelligence. I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. So then, it is a myth that, without out bees we would loose our food pollinated crops? -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Bees, anyone?
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:31:56 +0000, Nad R wrote:
So then, it is a myth that, without out bees we would loose our food pollinated crops? Different crops need different pollinators. |
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In article ,
Nad R wrote: Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way. Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. Mosquitos too. After googling, I learned something new. I thought bats were for bug control only. But it does explain an odd thing in my life. While weening my transplants in early spring. I brought my plants inside when the weather got below 40 degrees. After bring in one pot of flowers inside. I saw a bat crawl out from the pot inside the house. AHHHHH!!!!!!!! I quickly put a clear plastic bowl over it. It was screaming and I could see it's teeth as it looked me straight in the eyes! By looking at me in the eyes, it seemed to have some basic intelligence. I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. So then, it is a myth that, without out bees we would loose our food pollinated crops? http://3hmm.com/thesun/?p=4412 TwelveÂ* years ago, Doppler radar was developed to the point that bat activity can be detected some two miles above the earth. A scan of an area around Austin, Texas, clearly showed a swarm of moths that attracted a horde of bats some 200 million strong, spurring the latter into a feeding frenzy. At the end of the massacre, all traces of activity eerily ceased. The farmer who owned the fields in question was left with a hefty supply of bat guano, much better for his crops – and the environment – than the pesticides he would otherwise have had to use to deter or destroy the moth threat. This was among the most-jaw dropping tidbits proffered on Aug. 27 at an otherwise routine meeting of the Rotary Club of Sonoma Valley held at the Lodge at Sonoma.Â* Patricia Winters – aka Bat Maam – frequently makes the rounds of civic organizations and other groups to spread the good word on bats. ---- Bat Maam gave her presentation to a 6th grade class that I was subbing for. The animals (the bats) seemed relaxed and docile (the students, not so much). Of course, an unknown bat, out of its environment, and possibly rabid, would call for prudence. ----- http://www.internationalpollinatorsinitiative.org/ More Diversity is Better The diversity of pollinators and pollination systems is striking. Most of the 25,000 to 30,000 species of bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae) are effective pollinators, and together with moths, flies, wasps, beetles and butterflies, make up the majority of pollinating species. Vertebrate pollinators include bats, non-flying mammals (several species of monkey, rodents, lemur, tree squirrels, olingo and kinkajou) and birds (hummingbirds, sunbirds, honeycreepers and some parrot species). Current understanding of the pollination process shows that, while interesting specialized relationships exist between plants and their pollinators, healthy pollination services are best ensured by an abundance and diversity of pollinators. Tropics and Mountain Ecosystems Highly Dependent on Pollinators Approximately 80 percent of all flowering plant species are specialized for pollination by animals, mostly insects. The dependence of ecosystems on animal pollinators is even stronger in the tropics than the global average: in the tropical forests of Central America, insects may be responsible for 95 percent of the pollination of canopy trees, and vertebrates (bats and a diversity of other taxa) may pollinate 20 to 25 percent of the subcanopy and understory plants. Insects pollinate a further 50 percent of these. Arid and mountain ecosystems often have highly diverse pollinator communities as well, with finely tuned adaptations to ensure that pollination is effective even when climatic conditions are erratic. Pollination is essential for human livelihoods In agro-ecosystems, pollinators are essential for orchard, horticultural and forage production, as well as the production of seed for many root and fibre crops. Pollinators such as bees, birds and bats affect 35 percent of the world's crop production, increasing outputs of 87 of the leading food crops worldwide, plus many plant-derived medicines. It has been estimated that at least 20 genera of animals other than honeybees provide pollination services to the world's most important crops. For human nutrition the benefits of pollination include not just abundance of fruits, nuts and seeds, but also their variety and quality; the contribution of animal-pollinated foodstuffs to human nutritional diversity, vitamin sufficiency and food quality is substantial. ----- How this breaks down, percentage-wise, I haven't a clue. -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R wrote: Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way. Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. Mosquitos too. After googling, I learned something new. I thought bats were for bug control only. But it does explain an odd thing in my life. While weening my transplants in early spring. I brought my plants inside when the weather got below 40 degrees. After bring in one pot of flowers inside. I saw a bat crawl out from the pot inside the house. AHHHHH!!!!!!!! I quickly put a clear plastic bowl over it. It was screaming and I could see it's teeth as it looked me straight in the eyes! By looking at me in the eyes, it seemed to have some basic intelligence. I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. So then, it is a myth that, without out bees we would loose our food pollinated crops? http://3hmm.com/thesun/?p=4412 Twelve years ago, Doppler radar was developed to the point that bat activity can be detected some two miles above the earth. A scan of an area around Austin, Texas, clearly showed a swarm of moths that attracted a horde of bats some 200 million strong, spurring the latter into a feeding frenzy. At the end of the massacre, all traces of activity eerily ceased. The farmer who owned the fields in question was left with a hefty supply of bat guano, much better for his crops – and the environment – than the pesticides he would otherwise have had to use to deter or destroy the moth threat. This was among the most-jaw dropping tidbits proffered on Aug. 27 at an otherwise routine meeting of the Rotary Club of Sonoma Valley held at the Lodge at Sonoma. Patricia Winters – aka Bat Maam – frequently makes the rounds of civic organizations and other groups to spread the good word on bats. ---- Bat Maam gave her presentation to a 6th grade class that I was subbing for. The animals (the bats) seemed relaxed and docile (the students, not so much). Of course, an unknown bat, out of its environment, and possibly rabid, would call for prudence. ----- http://www.internationalpollinatorsinitiative.org/ More Diversity is Better The diversity of pollinators and pollination systems is striking. Most of the 25,000 to 30,000 species of bees (Hymenoptera: Apidae) are effective pollinators, and together with moths, flies, wasps, beetles and butterflies, make up the majority of pollinating species. Vertebrate pollinators include bats, non-flying mammals (several species of monkey, rodents, lemur, tree squirrels, olingo and kinkajou) and birds (hummingbirds, sunbirds, honeycreepers and some parrot species). Current understanding of the pollination process shows that, while interesting specialized relationships exist between plants and their pollinators, healthy pollination services are best ensured by an abundance and diversity of pollinators. Tropics and Mountain Ecosystems Highly Dependent on Pollinators Approximately 80 percent of all flowering plant species are specialized for pollination by animals, mostly insects. The dependence of ecosystems on animal pollinators is even stronger in the tropics than the global average: in the tropical forests of Central America, insects may be responsible for 95 percent of the pollination of canopy trees, and vertebrates (bats and a diversity of other taxa) may pollinate 20 to 25 percent of the subcanopy and understory plants. Insects pollinate a further 50 percent of these. Arid and mountain ecosystems often have highly diverse pollinator communities as well, with finely tuned adaptations to ensure that pollination is effective even when climatic conditions are erratic. Pollination is essential for human livelihoods In agro-ecosystems, pollinators are essential for orchard, horticultural and forage production, as well as the production of seed for many root and fibre crops. Pollinators such as bees, birds and bats affect 35 percent of the world's crop production, increasing outputs of 87 of the leading food crops worldwide, plus many plant-derived medicines. It has been estimated that at least 20 genera of animals other than honeybees provide pollination services to the world's most important crops. For human nutrition the benefits of pollination include not just abundance of fruits, nuts and seeds, but also their variety and quality; the contribution of animal-pollinated foodstuffs to human nutritional diversity, vitamin sufficiency and food quality is substantial. ----- How this breaks down, percentage-wise, I haven't a clue.m All in all, it does sense. I did know that pesky bugs are attracted to specific plants and ignore the others. I know now it is true for the many of the bugs are specifically attracted to specific plants for pollination. Still I have a feeling bees do the most of the pollination. In some of my books, list almost a hundred flowering plants that bees like. I suspect list is much larger. I learned something new today or at least ordered existing information in my brain a little better. So today was a good day. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Feb 3, 3:31*am, Nad R wrote:
Agreed! Bumblebees are cute and fuzzy in a sleepy-looking sorta way. Never been stung by one so wouldn't know how they compare in that respect! Apparently the queens and workers can all sting indefinitely too... If you've got a nice garden (which I'm sure all of you do ;) ) you can build a wee nest box to attract them: 'Bumblebee nest box trial' (http://tinyurl.com/4pn6s4e) And let's not forget the solitary bee! 'Make a Solitary Bee House' (http://www.foxleas.com/bee_house.htm) Apparently mosquitoes and bats are good pollinators too ;) Interesting web site on bees. Bats are pollinators? *I wonder how bats do it? Now googling. Mosquitos too. After googling, I learned something new. I thought bats were for bug control only. But it does explain an odd thing in my life. While weening my transplants in early spring. I brought my plants inside when the weather got below 40 degrees. After bring in one pot of flowers inside. I saw a bat crawl out from the pot inside the house. AHHHHH!!!!!!!! I quickly put a clear plastic bowl over it. It was screaming and I could see it's teeth as it looked me straight in the eyes! By looking at me in the eyes, *it seemed to have some basic intelligence. I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. So then, it is a myth that, without out bees we would loose our food pollinated crops? Surely you jest! It is not a myth; it is hard science. HB |
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Nad R wrote: I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. You were up at 3:31 AM? Or is that my time, and you were up at 5:31 AM? Watchew doing, running a dairy? -- - Billy "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R wrote: I still hate mosquitoes, even if they can pollinate some plants, which is something I did not know. You were up at 3:31 AM? Or is that my time, and you were up at 5:31 AM? Watchew doing, running a dairy? I am retired and now live like a cat. When tired I sleep or take a nap. I no longer live by the clock. However, I do tend to the animals, I do let them out at daybreak feed them and lock them up at dusk. The dog wanted out that night and I probably was up at that time 3:31 AM. I am also typing this usenet message while I am still in bed, lying on my back, iPad on my chest, listing to the local news radio just before I let the animals out. Since I got this iPad, I find my life has changed allot. I find myself attached to it almost 24/7. It is my iPod music player, Internet radio and local HD radio that can pickup 24 thousand radio stations and play them on the wireless stereo speakers, email, book reader, weather alert, news paper, news reader, drawing pad, night time star mapping guide, I now easily keep journals of gardening and other activities. I now keep track of exercise time, diet and blood pressure, I watch my TV shows and movies on it, remote control for tv, remote control for home home heating and lighting, remote control for my main computer as well, cooking recipes, alarm clock ( take garbage out , because I am loosing track of what day it is ). I pay my bills with it and reminds me when they are due, my GPS for driving and going places. And yesterday I found out that my favorite garden show that was cancelled a while back called "Garden By The Yard" is now on Internet TV. COOL! http://www.gardenerguy.com/ Isaac Asimov's world is becoming reality. People will no longer meet in person, they will meet via computer in their own little virtual world while the population drops to nothing... Cool. Can't wait when the iPad 2 comes out with the dual cameras... Video conferencing at finger tips as well. It will be really neat when they perfect the computer controlled contact lenses and then we will not need to carry such devices :) Well to be honest I do not care about the iPad 2 because I really have no wish to see anyone I know. I am Borg :) -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
Bees, anyone?
In article ,
Nad R wrote: Since I got this iPad, I find my life has changed allot. I find myself attached to it almost 24/7. It doesn't bother you that some government/corporate type can look at the key strokes of your life to determine what kind of consumer you are, or whether you are a good citizen? -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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In article
, Billy wrote: In article , Nad R wrote: Since I got this iPad, I find my life has changed allot. I find myself attached to it almost 24/7. It doesn't bother you that some government/corporate type can look at the key strokes of your life to determine what kind of consumer you are, or whether you are a good citizen? When computers were just becoming personal I read A whole earth magazine entitled "Computers as poison" this from Steward Band and friends. One maxim learned was not to fall in love with your machine. Seems easier quoted then actualized. http://anonymouse.org/anonwww.html -- Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ |
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Billy wrote:
In article , Nad R wrote: Since I got this iPad, I find my life has changed allot. I find myself attached to it almost 24/7. It doesn't bother you that some government/corporate type can look at the key strokes of your life to determine what kind of consumer you are, or whether you are a good citizen? They know everything about what you type here as well. Big Brother and little Brother knows also. I have stated before, privacy is history, even the government knows this for themselves, just read the Wikileaks. They know what you read, been to google books, amazon, even what you eat. Buy your seeds online? Do you use those grocery cards? During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Hundreds arrested afterwords. Privacy is history. Even those VPN accounts are an illusion of privacy on the web. And with Wikileaks I can know what they do as well. All is even. I have been broken. I love the ministry of peace. Like in the novel 1984, the last sentence, "I learned to love Big Brother". -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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On Feb 4, 9:46*am, Nad R wrote:
Billy wrote: In article , *Nad R wrote: [...] **During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Hundreds arrested afterwords**** I tried to find this on Snopes, as it sounded exactly like the kind of urban legend that Snopes so helpfully debunks. In any event, hummus is also a quintessentially Israeli food, so when can I expect that knock on the door...? HB [...] -- Enjoy Life... Nad R *(Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Higgs Boson wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:46 am, Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Nad R wrote: [...] **During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Hundreds arrested afterwords**** I tried to find this on Snopes, as it sounded exactly like the kind of urban legend that Snopes so helpfully debunks. In any event, hummus is also a quintessentially Israeli food, so when can I expect that knock on the door...? HB [...] -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) I remember this well, it was the news almost everyday, especially in Dearborn Michigan's farmer jack stores, which went out of business because of this. People stopped shopping there. All grocery stores stopped handing out those cards in Michigan. However memories are short and the grocery cards are back at Krogers. Their is no such thing as privacy. Try google instead or are you afraid of the big bad wolf keeping track of what you search. Now body is shaking. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...re-a-terrorist. http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=389x2245313 -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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In article ,
Nad R wrote: I have been broken. I love the ministry of peace. Like in the novel 1984, the last sentence, "I learned to love Big Brother". Oh, you retired types are all the same. You suddenly go conservative ;O) I was rather hoping for more of a "Brave New World" kind of a future, not an "1984". -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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In article
, Higgs Boson wrote: On Feb 4, 9:46*am, Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: In article , *Nad R wrote: [...] **During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Hundreds arrested afterwords**** I tried to find this on Snopes, as it sounded exactly like the kind of urban legend that Snopes so helpfully debunks. In any event, hummus is also a quintessentially Israeli food, so when can I expect that knock on the door...? 3 AM seems to be the consensus. -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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"Nad R" wrote in message
During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know the US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but having to give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that I find it hard to believe. Can you provide a cite for that? |
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"Nad R" wrote in message
Higgs Boson wrote: On Feb 4, 9:46 am, Nad R wrote: Billy wrote: In article , Nad R wrote: [...] **During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Hundreds arrested afterwords**** I tried to find this on Snopes, as it sounded exactly like the kind of urban legend that Snopes so helpfully debunks. In any event, hummus is also a quintessentially Israeli food, so when can I expect that knock on the door...? I remember this well, it was the news almost everyday, especially in Dearborn Michigan's farmer jack stores, which went out of business because of this. People stopped shopping there. All grocery stores stopped handing out those cards in Michigan. However memories are short and the grocery cards are back at Krogers. Their is no such thing as privacy. Try google instead or are you afraid of the big bad wolf keeping track of what you search. Now body is shaking. http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...re-a-terrorist. http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=389x2245313 I can't find anything of substance using google. All I can find is conspiracy theory - rumours, innuendo, derivative. Has any US agency of government actaully admitted anything or is it just something 'everyone' supposedly 'knows'? |
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In article ,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know the US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but having to give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that I find it hard to believe. Can you provide a cite for that? The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database. The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter can find out about me the hard way. -- - Billy "When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html |
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"Billy" wrote in message news:wildbilly-
In article , "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Nad R" wrote in message During 911 every grocery store had to give the names of everyone that purchased humus, an arabic food, the grocery stores complied. Excuse my scepticism, but are you pulling our collective legs? I know the US does some unbelievable daft things in the name of security, but having to give one's name in order to buy humus is just so incedibly silly, that I find it hard to believe. Can you provide a cite for that? The large stores here will give you a small discount on your grocery purchases, if you have a card from their store. The card is bar coded and directs the purchases of your sale to your own personal database. The database is of course for sale, so that when someone decides to sell widgets, there is a data base of previous widget buyers, and advertiser can aim their advertising at you. I don't use them, Admiral Poindexter can find out about me the hard way. Yes, I understand that, however do you have a (semi-)reputable cite about the humus buyers? I know that information from buying activites can be collected and analysed and that there may be some value in trying to identify people by purchases, but the commitment of resources to such a potentially futile exercise is probably beyond the tolerance for wastage of even a profligate administration. I also think that it would be unlikely that human resources with sufficient sense would be available to do such a job even if the funding was there. It's low level work but requires competent analytical skills. You know how few people there are who post on usenet who can read a sentence and analyse a few simple clauses in order to understand what's been said. If the bulk of usenet posters is in any way representative of the pool of talent in the general poupulace such a project would be very dangerous to try to conduct. It'd be a nightmare to oversight even if it did happen and I still have doubts that it did happen. There should be some sniff online if it did take place because there are implications of racial profiling and the potential for claims of victimisation based on purchasing. It'd be a minefiled and something that would be hard to hide and perhaps even more so in an environment of constant conspiracy theories. |
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