"John McGaw" wrote in message
Advice to anyone wanting mighty oaks -- plant a couple of acorns in each
location where you want one. Wait a year or two and then cull the
extra(s).

"Farm1" wrote:
That might work where you live, but you would be the exception rather than
the rule. We have to make sure we water them (it's way too dry for young
oaks to survive without that), put tree guards aorund them when they are
small (or the hares eat them), and make sure they are well protected by
stock proof fences (or the kangaroos decimate them or the cows eat them).

John my also not be paying attention to the difference between being in
a forest or forest-edge-like environment (where trees will sprout and
grow on their own easily) and being in a non-forested environment.
Trees, and lack of trees, affect the environment they are in, (and the
microclimate near them.) If you get a big enough block of oaks (or mixed
woods) going, (ie, go beyond windbreaks to a woodlot) they might well
reach a point of self-seeding successfully; or really fat parrots.

I don't know how it's going, but there was some notable success decades
ago with planting trees (probably not oaks) on the edge of the sahara
desert as a means of reversing its spread, and altering the microclimate
to a more hospitable one for growing other things, not having the soil
blow away, etc. "great green wall" appears to be a
continuation/expansion of that idea. The initial trees are, naturally,
going to need some support/care.

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"Ecnerwal" wrote in message
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"John McGaw" wrote in message
Advice to anyone wanting mighty oaks -- plant a couple of acorns in
each
location where you want one. Wait a year or two and then cull the
extra(s).

"Farm1" wrote:
That might work where you live, but you would be the exception rather
than
the rule. We have to make sure we water them (it's way too dry for young
oaks to survive without that), put tree guards aorund them when they are
small (or the hares eat them), and make sure they are well protected by
stock proof fences (or the kangaroos decimate them or the cows eat them).

John my also not be paying attention to the difference between being in
a forest or forest-edge-like environment (where trees will sprout and
grow on their own easily) and being in a non-forested environment.

That is a very good point. It's one the Permaculturists keep making and one
of whihc I keep losing sight utnil I'm reminded of it (again and again and
again)

Trees, and lack of trees, affect the environment they are in, (and the
microclimate near them.) If you get a big enough block of oaks (or mixed
woods) going, (ie, go beyond windbreaks to a woodlot) they might well
reach a point of self-seeding successfully; or really fat parrots.

:-)) I say, 'a pox on the parrots' (fat or thin). We have too many of too
many varieties of parrots. If they didn't eat my fruit or seeds such as
acorns or other stuff I'd like to let to get to maturity, I might enjoy
their presence and antics.

I don't know how it's going, but there was some notable success decades
ago with planting trees (probably not oaks) on the edge of the sahara
desert as a means of reversing its spread, and altering the microclimate
to a more hospitable one for growing other things, not having the soil
blow away, etc. "great green wall" appears to be a
continuation/expansion of that idea. The initial trees are, naturally,
going to need some support/care.

Interesting. I know here that tree planting amongst farmers/graziers has
now become very popular because it's such and aid in local climate
mitigation (by which I meant that it's cooler, warmer, more civilised to
live amongst tree sheltered land).