But it does involve a Peace Lily.

Freshwater Aquariums ***
Q & A - Betta in a Vase
Why Bettas Should Not be Kept in a Vase

Q: I've been reading about the craze of keeping a Peace Lily and a Betta
splendens in a vase together. What do you think - is it safe for the fish? A:
The argument made for keeping fish in a vase is that pumps, filters, and other
aquarium equipment, do not exist in nature. By putting the fish in what appears
to be a natural environment the assumption is made that it is inherently as
healthy as, if not healthier than, an aquarium. That simply isn't the case. It
is true that in nature the Betta lives in shallow rice paddies and swamps.
However those waters represent a complete ecological system, which cannot be
replicated in a small vase. Rice paddies are shallow but are still part of a
much larger body of water that serves to dilute toxins. Scavengers and bacteria
present in native waters break down wastes and render them harmless to fish.

** In nature the Betta lives on a diet that consists predominantly of insects
and insect larvae. In fact, Bettas contribute significantly in controlling
mosquitoes that abound in their native habitat. The Betta's digestive tract is
geared for meat. Its upturned mouth is designed to grab insects that have
fallen into the water. Although they may be observed picking for morsels on
plants and rocks, they are not bottom feeders by nature. A diet consisting of
vegetable matter may keep them alive for a while, but it is not natural or
healthy. Over time they will slowly be starved of the proper nutrients, and
more easily fall victim to disease.

** Another factor that has been completely overlooked in the Lily-Betta
combination is the element of water temperature. The primary reason Bettas in
small bowls are often listless is because the water temperature is too low.
Bettas are native to countries such as Thailand where the climate is hot and
moist. The ideal water temperature for the Betta is about 80 degrees
Fahrenheit. Although they can survive at lower temperatures, they become
lethargic and may even refuse to eat. Unless you live in a very warm climate,
the water in a vase cannot be maintained in the upper 70's to lower 80's.
Subjecting the Betta to cool temperatures is the same as if you or I had to
live in a house where the temperature that didn't rise above 60 degrees.

** Lastly, there is the issue of how the betta breathes. Like other fish, the
Betta derives oxygen from the water. However, it also has special organ that
allows it to breathe air directly. Its upturned mouth allows it to easily gulp
air from the surface, and therefore survive in waters that are low in oxygen.
If the Lily vase is not properly set up, there will be insufficient open space
at the top of the water for the Betta to reach the air. As the oxygen dissolved
in the water is used up, the Betta will need to breathe air more often. Should
it have trouble reaching the surface, it may become deprived of the oxygen it
needs to survive.

** The Peace Lily-Betta combination is clearly a popular fad, but it is neither
natural nor healthy for the fish. A dog or cat owner would never consider
shutting their pet in a small closet with minimal heat, food, and air. The
Betta should not be treated any less humanely.

This is the most barbaric, unkind, inhumane treatment I can think of. Much of
this is not accurate. A NATURAL environment cannot be made up in a vase.

On 04 May 2003 15:27:37 GMT, c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

But it does involve a Peace Lily.

Freshwater Aquariums ***
Q & A - Betta in a Vase
Why Bettas Should Not be Kept in a Vase

Q: I've been reading about the craze of keeping a Peace Lily and a Betta
splendens in a vase together. What do you think - is it safe for the fish? A:
The argument made for keeping fish in a vase is that pumps, filters, and other
aquarium equipment, do not exist in nature. By putting the fish in what appears
to be a natural environment the assumption is made that it is inherently as
healthy as, if not healthier than, an aquarium. That simply isn't the case. It
is true that in nature the Betta lives in shallow rice paddies and swamps.
However those waters represent a complete ecological system, which cannot be
replicated in a small vase. Rice paddies are shallow but are still part of a
much larger body of water that serves to dilute toxins. Scavengers and bacteria
present in native waters break down wastes and render them harmless to fish.

** In nature the Betta lives on a diet that consists predominantly of insects
and insect larvae. In fact, Bettas contribute significantly in controlling
mosquitoes that abound in their native habitat. The Betta's digestive tract is
geared for meat. Its upturned mouth is designed to grab insects that have
fallen into the water. Although they may be observed picking for morsels on
plants and rocks, they are not bottom feeders by nature. A diet consisting of
vegetable matter may keep them alive for a while, but it is not natural or
healthy. Over time they will slowly be starved of the proper nutrients, and
more easily fall victim to disease.

** Another factor that has been completely overlooked in the Lily-Betta
combination is the element of water temperature. The primary reason Bettas in
small bowls are often listless is because the water temperature is too low.
Bettas are native to countries such as Thailand where the climate is hot and
moist. The ideal water temperature for the Betta is about 80 degrees
Fahrenheit. Although they can survive at lower temperatures, they become
lethargic and may even refuse to eat. Unless you live in a very warm climate,
the water in a vase cannot be maintained in the upper 70's to lower 80's.
Subjecting the Betta to cool temperatures is the same as if you or I had to
live in a house where the temperature that didn't rise above 60 degrees.

** Lastly, there is the issue of how the betta breathes. Like other fish, the
Betta derives oxygen from the water. However, it also has special organ that
allows it to breathe air directly. Its upturned mouth allows it to easily gulp
air from the surface, and therefore survive in waters that are low in oxygen.
If the Lily vase is not properly set up, there will be insufficient open space
at the top of the water for the Betta to reach the air. As the oxygen dissolved
in the water is used up, the Betta will need to breathe air more often. Should
it have trouble reaching the surface, it may become deprived of the oxygen it
needs to survive.

** The Peace Lily-Betta combination is clearly a popular fad, but it is neither
natural nor healthy for the fish. A dog or cat owner would never consider
shutting their pet in a small closet with minimal heat, food, and air. The
Betta should not be treated any less humanely.

c (TOM KAN PA) expounded:

** The Peace Lily-Betta combination is clearly a popular fad, but it is neither
natural nor healthy for the fish. A dog or cat owner would never consider
shutting their pet in a small closet with minimal heat, food, and air. The
Betta should not be treated any less humanely.

Hmmm...then I guess my two and a half year old Sammi the Samurai
hasn't figured out he shouldn't be happy in his (big) bowl with the
peace lily on top. I won't tell him if you don't! ;-

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

c (TOM KAN PA) expounded:

Do you do any maintenance, cleaning, feeding, etc., or did you just put Sammi
in the bowl with the plant and haven't touched it in two and a half years?
BTW, how do you know Sammi is two and a half years old? I assume he was
born/hatched before you got him.

I change his water every three weeks, and of course I feed him! I got
him 2 1/2 years ago, and he was much smaller then.....but he's still
too small to count his teeth or anything! G I've heard they only
live a couple years.

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Education is a wonderous thing, thanks Tom for the enlightening. I had a
sneaking suspicion that those fish weren't happy.............(the one's I
saw at Walmart broke my heart...........)madgardener
"TOM KAN PA" wrote in message
...
But it does involve a Peace Lily.

Freshwater Aquariums
Q & A - Betta in a Vase
Why Bettas Should Not be Kept in a Vase

Q: I've been reading about the craze of keeping a Peace Lily and a Betta
splendens in a vase together. What do you think - is it safe for the fish?
A:
The argument made for keeping fish in a vase is that pumps, filters, and
other
aquarium equipment, do not exist in nature. By putting the fish in what
appears
to be a natural environment the assumption is made that it is inherently
as
healthy as, if not healthier than, an aquarium. That simply isn't the
case. It
is true that in nature the Betta lives in shallow rice paddies and swamps.
However those waters represent a complete ecological system, which cannot
be
replicated in a small vase. Rice paddies are shallow but are still part of
a
much larger body of water that serves to dilute toxins. Scavengers and
bacteria
present in native waters break down wastes and render them harmless to
fish.

In nature the Betta lives on a diet that consists predominantly of insects
and insect larvae. In fact, Bettas contribute significantly in controlling
mosquitoes that abound in their native habitat. The Betta's digestive
tract is
geared for meat. Its upturned mouth is designed to grab insects that have
fallen into the water. Although they may be observed picking for morsels
on
plants and rocks, they are not bottom feeders by nature. A diet consisting
of
vegetable matter may keep them alive for a while, but it is not natural or
healthy. Over time they will slowly be starved of the proper nutrients,
and
more easily fall victim to disease.

Another factor that has been completely overlooked in the Lily-Betta
combination is the element of water temperature. The primary reason Bettas
in
small bowls are often listless is because the water temperature is too
low.
Bettas are native to countries such as Thailand where the climate is hot
and
moist. The ideal water temperature for the Betta is about 80 degrees
Fahrenheit. Although they can survive at lower temperatures, they become
lethargic and may even refuse to eat. Unless you live in a very warm
climate,
the water in a vase cannot be maintained in the upper 70's to lower 80's.
Subjecting the Betta to cool temperatures is the same as if you or I had
to
live in a house where the temperature that didn't rise above 60 degrees.

Lastly, there is the issue of how the betta breathes. Like other fish, the
Betta derives oxygen from the water. However, it also has special organ
that
allows it to breathe air directly. Its upturned mouth allows it to easily
gulp
air from the surface, and therefore survive in waters that are low in
oxygen.
If the Lily vase is not properly set up, there will be insufficient open
space
at the top of the water for the Betta to reach the air. As the oxygen
dissolved
in the water is used up, the Betta will need to breathe air more often.
Should
it have trouble reaching the surface, it may become deprived of the oxygen
it
needs to survive.

The Peace Lily-Betta combination is clearly a popular fad, but it is
neither
natural nor healthy for the fish. A dog or cat owner would never consider
shutting their pet in a small closet with minimal heat, food, and air. The
Betta should not be treated any less humanely.

On Fri, 9 May 2003 11:10:52 -0400, "madgardener" wrote:

Education is a wonderous thing, thanks Tom for the enlightening. I had a
sneaking suspicion that those fish weren't happy.............(the one's I
saw at Walmart broke my heart...........)madgardener

Yeah, I saw them too. I get very upset about them. A woman actually asked me
(as I stood there in the birdseed section next to the shelf of betta's) where
she could buy the plant which the fish eat. She was talking about spaths. I
told her betta's need fish food. She said her mother had one for three years on
her desk and never fed it. What the f is wrong with people?

Never mind. Way too much time to answer.

v