In article ,
Jymesion wrote:

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 13:02:43 -0500, wrote:

All the sites for grape production is one main stem/trunk. You can select
2+ main
stems sorta heading in the directions you want. Even "trunks" will break
buds and
send out vines, so dont worry about next year.

Thanks for that info! It's been so long since I grew grapes that I
don't remember if they only had buds on the previous year's growth. If
the trunks bud, that solves a lot of my concerns.

Evidently you have selected a site
that may not look "good" but your grape loves it, maybe cause it gets a lot
of water?

It get a lot because it's in the middle of brick paving, and
everything drains towards it. But the roots won't be sitting in water
because there's enough broken brick under it to provide decent
drainage.

"Decoration" covers a lot of territory. There is espalier, bushy, jungle,
etc. Just
keep an eye out of downy mildew or other fungal disease from too little air
circulation.

All I want is a bit of green to break up the drab corner. It's right
outside my kitchen window, and looking at the porch wall isn't very
exciting.

Each bud, on last year's wood, will try to set a cluster. Wine grapes
usually leave around 24 buds, but the Carpenteria vine in California,
that was spread out on an arbor, set 8 tons of fruit in 1892 (IIRC).
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Billy wrote:

the Carpenteria vine in California, that was spread out on an arbor, set 8 tons of fruit in 1892 (IIRC).

You were there in 1892? Billy spews 8 tons of bullshit each day.

In article ,
Brooklyn1 wrote:

Billy wrote:

the Carpenteria vine in California, that was spread out on an arbor, set 8
tons of fruit in 1892 (IIRC).

You were there in 1892? Billy spews 8 tons of bullshit each day.

I presume that because you weren't there, the American Revolution never
happened, the Magna Carta never signed, and Rome never existed?

You are beyond ignorant Shelly/Brooklyn. An ignorant person could have
done a web search, to find the truth, but you weren't interested in the
truth. You just had the overwhelming urge to open that alligator mouth
of yours, and show the world how stupid and vulgar you truly are.

"Each bud, on last year's wood, will try to set a cluster. Wine grapes
usually leave around 24 buds, but the Carpenteria vine in California,
that was spread out on an arbor, set 8 tons of fruit in 1892 (IIRC)."
- Billy

Here is what we are talking about.
http://www.cardcow.com/210706/largest-grape-vine-world-carpinteria/


8 tons
http://books.google.com/books?id=YKH...rpinteria+Vine
&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SRURUsK-OIapyAHcg4Fg&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Carpinter
ia%20Vine&f=false
One vine in Santa Barbara County covered 12,000 sq. ft. when 65 years
old and produced crops of more than 10,000. Another, at Carpinteria,
planted in 1842, bore 8 tons in 1893, U.S. Dept. Agric. (1904); its
trunk circumference was reported to be nine feet (fig. 1).


Or 10 tons of fruit in 1896
http://books.google.com/books?id=yQt...=PA130&dq=CArp
interia+Vine&source=bl&ots=Sb0e2asisn&sig=vFyNuPbn kyonDEVnz4NP1zjzrbs&hl=
en&ei=pd39SfXRKY66tAPisLDsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&c t=result&resnum=6#v=one
page&q=CArpinteria%20Vine&f=false

Or about 12 tons in 1 year, according to the California State University
at Pomona.
http://www.csupomona.edu/~library/sp...photographs.ht
ml
"La Vina Grande", the largest grape vine in the world, growing in
Carpinteria Valley, about 10 miles south of Santa Barbara, California.
It was planted from a cutting of Mission grapes, which were first
introduced into California, at San Diego, in 1769, by the Franciscan
fathers, headed by Father Junipero Serra. Its massive trunk is 9 feet 7
inches in circumference, its branches cover a space of 10,000 square
feet, and it produced about 12 tons of grapes one year. Courtesy of the
Wine Institute.


To all who decide to use Shelly/Brooklyn's advice/opinions, to avoid
nasty surprises, be sure to get it confirmed from one of the gardeners
at rec.gardens, or rec.gardens.edible before you act on it.

Shelly/Brooklyn czn also be very nasty, but don't take it personally.
He has a drinking problem which he can't control.
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Palestinian Child Detained
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Remember Rachel Corrie
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

Welcome to the New America.
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