On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take
rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type
that need D cells changed... go he
http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php
http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915
Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my
first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:39:52 -0500, Brooklyn1
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take
rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type
that need D cells changed... go he
http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php
http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915
Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my
first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon.

Apparently they now make a Pro version of Solar Spike (see above) that
you can insert the rechargeable batterys but I have the original that
come with rechargeable batterys already inserted and cannot be
accessed. Next time I will try the Pro version, as they say those
cover a much larger area. I know they work, at least here in my soil
(apparently they don't work well in dry/sandy soil). A few weeks
after I set the solar spikes out the voles moved over to my neighbor's
yard over 1,000 feet away.

Brooklyn1 wrote:
....
All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work.

yep. i like to make the work as easy and
as multi layered as possible. the soil here
really can use all the organic materials i can
put down.


Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.

once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that
often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks
and mice around and that seems to keep the feral
cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed.


songbird

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 19:10:36 -0500, songbird
wrote:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
...
All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work.

yep. i like to make the work as easy and
as multi layered as possible. the soil here
really can use all the organic materials i can
put down.


Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.

once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that
often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks
and mice around and that seems to keep the feral
cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed.

I have indoor cats but I have a whole community of ferral cats that I
feed in my barn, mostly they prefer what they kill, most won't eat cat
food. They live in my barn because I supply heated houses, it gets
down into the minus twentys and thirties here in winter. Heating the
houses costs very little (40 watts) but the heat keeps them alive...
and I make sure there is always food and water... I have heated water
bowls too. Today I set up a second heated house. The population is
growing. I trap as many as I can and bring them to the Vet to be
fixed but most can't be caught. The cats are left behind when summer
people leave, they leave dogs too but dogs have very poor survival
skills so don't last long. The cats are much better at surviving and
form communities. Most of the locals feed the feral cats, this is a
farming commuity, the cats earn their keep.

On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:29:10 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 04/11/2014 15:48, Brooklyn1 wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds
start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without
affecting the vegies?

No matter how carefully you apply glyphosate as the 'weed' dies the
chemical will dissolve into the soil and affect your vegetable plants,
and you when you eat them, if you get any.

I am sure that with such specific claims you will be happy to provide
numerous links which support your statements.

Brooklyn may not wish to make observations of / for his posts.

However to assist you and Moe DeLoughan who from your posts I assume to
be Monsanto stooges / strawmen, I suggest that visitors to this post
Google themselves variations of "Monsanto, Roundup, Spain, contaminations
degradations"

One will lead to this extract:

"Monsanto, the world leader in the production of genetically engineered
(GE) staple crops, has long claimed that its broad-spectrum herbicide
Roundup is safe.

In fact, they have even used the following slogans to describe it:

"It's Safer than Mowing"
"Biodegradable"
"Environmentally Friendly"

What we are now finding out -- unfortunately long after hundreds of
millions of pounds of the chemical have already been applied to U.S. soil
-- is that Roundup is proving to be a pervasive environmental threat, one
that may already be poisoning a good portion of the world's remaining
natural water supply.

Roundup is Contaminating Groundwater Supplies

The quantity of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, in the
environment has been difficult to analyze due to its physicochemical
properties, such as its relatively low molecular weight and low organic
solvent solubility.

However, a recent study used a magnetic particle immunoassay to test
for the presence of glyphosate in roughly 140 samples of groundwater from
Catalonia, Spain.

The analysis found that glyphosate was present above the limit of
quantification in 41 percent of the samples. As noted on
GreenMedInfo.com, this indicates "that, despite manufacturer's claims, it
does not break down rapidly in the environment, and is accumulating there
in concerning quantities."

Groundwater, which is water from rain, lakes, streams or other bodies
of water that soaks into soil and bedrock, can easily become contaminated
when chemicals in the soil with low biodegradability and high mobility
empty into it.

When groundwater is used as a drinking water source, this
contamination poses a risk to animals, plants and humans alike. The U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) explains further:

"Contaminated groundwater can hurt animals, plants, or humans
only if it is first removed from the ground by manmade or natural
processes. In many parts of the world, groundwater is pumped out of the
ground so it can be used as a source of water for drinking, bathing,
other household uses, agriculture, and industry. In addition, groundwater
can reach the surface through natural pathways such as springs.

Contaminated groundwater can affect the quality of drinking and
other types of water supplies when it reaches the surface. Contaminated
groundwater can affect the health of animals and humans when they drink
or bathe in water contaminated by the groundwater or when they eat
organisms that have themselves been affected by groundwater
contamination."

That glyphosate has been detected beyond the limit of quantification
in 41 percent of groundwater samples tested reveals yet another
concerning "side effect" of its rampant use: namely, that it is not
biodegrading in the soil, as previously assumed by many scientists,
rather, is trickling down below the soil to the groundwater, where
processes of biodegradation are much slower, and the opportunity for it
to accumulate to toxic levels is much greater. These findings have
devastating environmental and human health implications, as glyphosate is
the most widely used herbicide in the world and is being found virtually
everywhere it has been tested"

The full text of which is available at:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar.../10/herbicide-
poison-groundwater-supply.aspx



Other URLs of interest for those who do not wish to do their own research
may be:

http://www.gardenguides.com/130007-soil-toxicity-roundup.html

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philp...antos-roundup-
herbicide-soil-damage

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

http://permaculturenews.org/2012/11/...d-be-banned-a-
review-of-its-hazards-to-health-and-the-environment/

http://www.naturalnews.com/035221_Roundup_soil_health_food_supply.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080609044206AAviMAf

http://farmingsweetbay.wordpress.com...oundup-out-of-
our-farms-soil/

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080920164829AAmjP5b

#*#* http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/un-...os-glyphosate-
destroying-soil

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/jan10/
scientists_find_negative_impacts_of_GM_crops.php

Linked to Parkinson's disease

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/27/monsa...75-of-air-and-
rain-samples/


False advertising:

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/56554


Honey Bee starvation

http://www.gmoevidence.com/location/roundup-evidence/


Damages pigs:

http://permaculturenews.org/2014/05/...s-pigs-banned-
danish-farmer/



That gives a balanced view, though it does not necessarily support the
views and assertions of messrs Layman and DeLoughan

anm a_nonnymouse wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote:
Brooklyn1 wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds
start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without
affecting the vegies?

No matter how carefully you apply glyphosate as the 'weed' dies the
chemical will dissolve into the soil and affect your vegetable plants,
and you when you eat them, if you get any.

I am sure that with such specific claims you will be happy to provide
numerous links which support your statements.

Brooklyn may not wish to make observations of/for his posts.

Actually I'm not intimidated by those pot-stirring ghetto tenement
basement apartment dwelling trolls who don't do any gardening save
growing fungi on their unbathed selves.

It's a dreary sunless day, threatening rain... my girls arrived to
snack on the cabbage leaves I tossed... five minutes ago:
http://i61.tinypic.com/35kud61.jpg

My monster multi-trunked maple had become too dangerous, a couple of
large limbs had split and dropped to the ground, good no one was
underneath, so it was time for it to go. You can see my veggie
garden in this photo:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2q3b3fa.jpg
Called my favorite tree guy who made quick work of it:
http://i62.tinypic.com/15ewp3n.jpg
Now all I have is this huge stump:
http://i61.tinypic.com/117hgdk.jpg

However to assist you and Moe DeLoughan who from your posts I assume to
be Monsanto stooges / strawmen, I suggest that visitors to this post
Google themselves variations of "Monsanto, Roundup, Spain, contaminations
degradations"

One will lead to this extract:

"Monsanto, the world leader in the production of genetically engineered
(GE) staple crops, has long claimed that its broad-spectrum herbicide
Roundup is safe.

In fact, they have even used the following slogans to describe it:

"It's Safer than Mowing"
"Biodegradable"
"Environmentally Friendly"

What we are now finding out -- unfortunately long after hundreds of
millions of pounds of the chemical have already been applied to U.S. soil
-- is that Roundup is proving to be a pervasive environmental threat, one
that may already be poisoning a good portion of the world's remaining
natural water supply.

Roundup is Contaminating Groundwater Supplies

The quantity of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, in the
environment has been difficult to analyze due to its physicochemical
properties, such as its relatively low molecular weight and low organic
solvent solubility.

However, a recent study used a magnetic particle immunoassay to test
for the presence of glyphosate in roughly 140 samples of groundwater from
Catalonia, Spain.

The analysis found that glyphosate was present above the limit of
quantification in 41 percent of the samples. As noted on
GreenMedInfo.com, this indicates "that, despite manufacturer's claims, it
does not break down rapidly in the environment, and is accumulating there
in concerning quantities."

Groundwater, which is water from rain, lakes, streams or other bodies
of water that soaks into soil and bedrock, can easily become contaminated
when chemicals in the soil with low biodegradability and high mobility
empty into it.

When groundwater is used as a drinking water source, this
contamination poses a risk to animals, plants and humans alike. The U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) explains further:

"Contaminated groundwater can hurt animals, plants, or humans
only if it is first removed from the ground by manmade or natural
processes. In many parts of the world, groundwater is pumped out of the
ground so it can be used as a source of water for drinking, bathing,
other household uses, agriculture, and industry. In addition, groundwater
can reach the surface through natural pathways such as springs.

Contaminated groundwater can affect the quality of drinking and
other types of water supplies when it reaches the surface. Contaminated
groundwater can affect the health of animals and humans when they drink
or bathe in water contaminated by the groundwater or when they eat
organisms that have themselves been affected by groundwater
contamination."

That glyphosate has been detected beyond the limit of quantification
in 41 percent of groundwater samples tested reveals yet another
concerning "side effect" of its rampant use: namely, that it is not
biodegrading in the soil, as previously assumed by many scientists,
rather, is trickling down below the soil to the groundwater, where
processes of biodegradation are much slower, and the opportunity for it
to accumulate to toxic levels is much greater. These findings have
devastating environmental and human health implications, as glyphosate is
the most widely used herbicide in the world and is being found virtually
everywhere it has been tested"

The full text of which is available at:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar.../10/herbicide-
poison-groundwater-supply.aspx



Other URLs of interest for those who do not wish to do their own research
may be:

http://www.gardenguides.com/130007-soil-toxicity-roundup.html

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philp...antos-roundup-
herbicide-soil-damage

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

http://permaculturenews.org/2012/11/...d-be-banned-a-
review-of-its-hazards-to-health-and-the-environment/

http://www.naturalnews.com/035221_Roundup_soil_health_food_supply.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080609044206AAviMAf

http://farmingsweetbay.wordpress.com...oundup-out-of-
our-farms-soil/

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080920164829AAmjP5b

#*#* http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/un-...os-glyphosate-
destroying-soil

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/jan10/
scientists_find_negative_impacts_of_GM_crops.ph p

Linked to Parkinson's disease

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/27/monsa...75-of-air-and-
rain-samples/


False advertising:

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/56554


Honey Bee starvation

http://www.gmoevidence.com/location/roundup-evidence/


Damages pigs:

http://permaculturenews.org/2014/05/...s-pigs-banned-
danish-farmer/



That gives a balanced view, though it does not necessarily support the
views and assertions of messrs Layman and DeLoughan

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 4:27:33 AM UTC-8, anm wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 19:29:10 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 04/11/2014 15:48, Brooklyn1 wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds
start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without
affecting the vegies?

No matter how carefully you apply glyphosate as the 'weed' dies the
chemical will dissolve into the soil and affect your vegetable plants,
and you when you eat them, if you get any.

I am sure that with such specific claims you will be happy to provide
numerous links which support your statements.

Brooklyn may not wish to make observations of / for his posts.

However to assist you and Moe DeLoughan who from your posts I assume to
be Monsanto stooges / strawmen, I suggest that visitors to this post
Google themselves variations of "Monsanto, Roundup, Spain, contaminations
degradations"

One will lead to this extract:

"Monsanto, the world leader in the production of genetically engineered
(GE) staple crops, has long claimed that its broad-spectrum herbicide
Roundup is safe.

In fact, they have even used the following slogans to describe it:

"It's Safer than Mowing"
"Biodegradable"
"Environmentally Friendly"

What we are now finding out -- unfortunately long after hundreds of
millions of pounds of the chemical have already been applied to U.S. soil
-- is that Roundup is proving to be a pervasive environmental threat, one
that may already be poisoning a good portion of the world's remaining
natural water supply.

Roundup is Contaminating Groundwater Supplies

The quantity of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, in the
environment has been difficult to analyze due to its physicochemical
properties, such as its relatively low molecular weight and low organic
solvent solubility.

However, a recent study used a magnetic particle immunoassay to test
for the presence of glyphosate in roughly 140 samples of groundwater from
Catalonia, Spain.

The analysis found that glyphosate was present above the limit of
quantification in 41 percent of the samples. As noted on
GreenMedInfo.com, this indicates "that, despite manufacturer's claims, it
does not break down rapidly in the environment, and is accumulating there
in concerning quantities."

Groundwater, which is water from rain, lakes, streams or other bodies
of water that soaks into soil and bedrock, can easily become contaminated
when chemicals in the soil with low biodegradability and high mobility
empty into it.

When groundwater is used as a drinking water source, this
contamination poses a risk to animals, plants and humans alike. The U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) explains further:

"Contaminated groundwater can hurt animals, plants, or humans
only if it is first removed from the ground by manmade or natural
processes. In many parts of the world, groundwater is pumped out of the
ground so it can be used as a source of water for drinking, bathing,
other household uses, agriculture, and industry. In addition, groundwater
can reach the surface through natural pathways such as springs.

Contaminated groundwater can affect the quality of drinking and
other types of water supplies when it reaches the surface. Contaminated
groundwater can affect the health of animals and humans when they drink
or bathe in water contaminated by the groundwater or when they eat
organisms that have themselves been affected by groundwater
contamination."

That glyphosate has been detected beyond the limit of quantification
in 41 percent of groundwater samples tested reveals yet another
concerning "side effect" of its rampant use: namely, that it is not
biodegrading in the soil, as previously assumed by many scientists,
rather, is trickling down below the soil to the groundwater, where
processes of biodegradation are much slower, and the opportunity for it
to accumulate to toxic levels is much greater. These findings have
devastating environmental and human health implications, as glyphosate is
the most widely used herbicide in the world and is being found virtually
everywhere it has been tested"

The full text of which is available at:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar.../10/herbicide-
poison-groundwater-supply.aspx



Other URLs of interest for those who do not wish to do their own research
may be:

http://www.gardenguides.com/130007-soil-toxicity-roundup.html

http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philp...antos-roundup-
herbicide-soil-damage

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061018160356AAmxbwP

http://permaculturenews.org/2012/11/...d-be-banned-a-
review-of-its-hazards-to-health-and-the-environment/

http://www.naturalnews.com/035221_Roundup_soil_health_food_supply.html

https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080609044206AAviMAf

http://farmingsweetbay.wordpress.com...oundup-out-of-
our-farms-soil/

https://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080920164829AAmjP5b

#*#* http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/un-...os-glyphosate-
destroying-soil

http://www.non-gmoreport.com/articles/jan10/
scientists_find_negative_impacts_of_GM_crops.php

Linked to Parkinson's disease

http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/27/monsa...75-of-air-and-
rain-samples/


False advertising:

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/56554


Honey Bee starvation

http://www.gmoevidence.com/location/roundup-evidence/


Damages pigs:

http://permaculturenews.org/2014/05/...s-pigs-banned-
danish-farmer/



That gives a balanced view, though it does not necessarily support the
views and assertions of messrs Layman and DeLoughan

Thanks for that research! I was particularly intrigued by the article from Mother Jones Magazine -- THE muckraker to end all muckrakers. I have been a faithful subscriber for [censored] years.

Named after the historical Mother Jones, a fearless voice for the oppressed:

http://www.aflcio.org/About/Our-Hist...ones-1837-1930

Back to Subject: Have any scientific studies been done on effects on humans from contaminated ground water? Sounds like it would be a difficult study to get funded, considering the pressure from those arch-fiends at Monsanto, but one which might yield weapons to combat them.

"Arch-fiend" is an understatement when referring to Monsanto. Among their achievements is depriving poor Central America subsistence farmers of their own well water and making them buy water from Monsanto.

In article
writes:
On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Just like a broken clock, Brooklyn is occasionally correct. I have
those solar spikes in use and they make a huge difference. Mine
only last about 3 years, but that may be just bad luck on my part.


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