F Murtz wrote:
If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.


songbird

ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys. They don't recommend leaving them in the ground
where freezing and snow occurs but I do with no problem, I just push
them in so that 3" extends above ground. Considering how long they
last and how well they work $20 per is cheap.

On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take
rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type
that need D cells changed... go he
http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php
http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915
Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my
first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon.

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:39:52 -0500, Brooklyn1
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P
wrote:

On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote:

If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start
growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting
the vegies?

is this a current problem or a hypothetical
future problem?

i would not use glyphosate for any application
near veggies or otherwise.

it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating
in spite of what the manufacturer claims.

if the grass infestation is minor pull them out
or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots),
if you're able to consider painting each weed you
should be able to pull the weeds out, it will
probably be much faster.

if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff
as you can and then smother it with a few layers
of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps
can be left because that is all the grass needs and
believe me it will find a way through.

raised beds on or near a grassy area should be
set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed
barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly
trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens,
don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the
garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the
weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch
that area also making it less likely for grass to
be near the gardens.

also, make sure when you add organic materials to
the raised beds that it is properly composted or
certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse
manure may not be composted well enough, same thing
with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never
use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in
your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first).
i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do
that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it
has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out
so they cannot resprout.

All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.
These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take
rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type
that need D cells changed... go he
http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php
http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915
Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my
first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon.

Apparently they now make a Pro version of Solar Spike (see above) that
you can insert the rechargeable batterys but I have the original that
come with rechargeable batterys already inserted and cannot be
accessed. Next time I will try the Pro version, as they say those
cover a much larger area. I know they work, at least here in my soil
(apparently they don't work well in dry/sandy soil). A few weeks
after I set the solar spikes out the voles moved over to my neighbor's
yard over 1,000 feet away.

In article
writes:
On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

These work very well for me:
http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC
I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house
amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for
nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than
changing batterys.

I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D
batteries that must be changed every so often.

Just like a broken clock, Brooklyn is occasionally correct. I have
those solar spikes in use and they make a huge difference. Mine
only last about 3 years, but that may be just bad luck on my part.


--
Drew Lawson | What you own is your own kingdom
| What you do is your own glory
| What you love is your own power
| What you live is your own story

Brooklyn1 wrote:
....
All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work.

yep. i like to make the work as easy and
as multi layered as possible. the soil here
really can use all the organic materials i can
put down.


Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.

once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that
often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks
and mice around and that seems to keep the feral
cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed.


songbird

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 19:10:36 -0500, songbird
wrote:

Brooklyn1 wrote:
...
All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds
will come/gardening is work.

yep. i like to make the work as easy and
as multi layered as possible. the soil here
really can use all the organic materials i can
put down.


Also I once had the not so bright idea
to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it
over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants
they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all
the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers
are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed
block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their
homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips
especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish
a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes
pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but
not permanently.

once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that
often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks
and mice around and that seems to keep the feral
cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed.

I have indoor cats but I have a whole community of ferral cats that I
feed in my barn, mostly they prefer what they kill, most won't eat cat
food. They live in my barn because I supply heated houses, it gets
down into the minus twentys and thirties here in winter. Heating the
houses costs very little (40 watts) but the heat keeps them alive...
and I make sure there is always food and water... I have heated water
bowls too. Today I set up a second heated house. The population is
growing. I trap as many as I can and bring them to the Vet to be
fixed but most can't be caught. The cats are left behind when summer
people leave, they leave dogs too but dogs have very poor survival
skills so don't last long. The cats are much better at surviving and
form communities. Most of the locals feed the feral cats, this is a
farming commuity, the cats earn their keep.