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ongbird wrote:
F Murtz wrote: If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting the vegies? is this a current problem or a hypothetical future problem? i would not use glyphosate for any application near veggies or otherwise. it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating in spite of what the manufacturer claims. if the grass infestation is minor pull them out or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots), if you're able to consider painting each weed you should be able to pull the weeds out, it will probably be much faster. if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff as you can and then smother it with a few layers of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps can be left because that is all the grass needs and believe me it will find a way through. raised beds on or near a grassy area should be set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens, don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch that area also making it less likely for grass to be near the gardens. also, make sure when you add organic materials to the raised beds that it is properly composted or certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse manure may not be composted well enough, same thing with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first). i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out so they cannot resprout. All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. These work very well for me: http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than changing batterys. They don't recommend leaving them in the ground where freezing and snow occurs but I do with no problem, I just push them in so that 3" extends above ground. Considering how long they last and how well they work $20 per is cheap. |
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Glyphosate
On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
ongbird wrote: F Murtz wrote: If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting the vegies? is this a current problem or a hypothetical future problem? i would not use glyphosate for any application near veggies or otherwise. it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating in spite of what the manufacturer claims. if the grass infestation is minor pull them out or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots), if you're able to consider painting each weed you should be able to pull the weeds out, it will probably be much faster. if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff as you can and then smother it with a few layers of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps can be left because that is all the grass needs and believe me it will find a way through. raised beds on or near a grassy area should be set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens, don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch that area also making it less likely for grass to be near the gardens. also, make sure when you add organic materials to the raised beds that it is properly composted or certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse manure may not be composted well enough, same thing with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first). i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out so they cannot resprout. All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. These work very well for me: http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than changing batterys. I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D batteries that must be changed every so often. |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P
wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: ongbird wrote: F Murtz wrote: If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting the vegies? is this a current problem or a hypothetical future problem? i would not use glyphosate for any application near veggies or otherwise. it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating in spite of what the manufacturer claims. if the grass infestation is minor pull them out or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots), if you're able to consider painting each weed you should be able to pull the weeds out, it will probably be much faster. if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff as you can and then smother it with a few layers of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps can be left because that is all the grass needs and believe me it will find a way through. raised beds on or near a grassy area should be set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens, don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch that area also making it less likely for grass to be near the gardens. also, make sure when you add organic materials to the raised beds that it is properly composted or certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse manure may not be composted well enough, same thing with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first). i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out so they cannot resprout. All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. These work very well for me: http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than changing batterys. I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D batteries that must be changed every so often. Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type that need D cells changed... go he http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915 Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon. |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:39:52 -0500, Brooklyn1
wrote: On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:53:04 -0600, IGot2P wrote: On 11/5/2014 12:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote: ongbird wrote: F Murtz wrote: If I have some raised gardens with vegies in them and grass weeds start growing can I carefully paint the weed with glyphosate without affecting the vegies? is this a current problem or a hypothetical future problem? i would not use glyphosate for any application near veggies or otherwise. it isn't benign and is persisting and accumulating in spite of what the manufacturer claims. if the grass infestation is minor pull them out or dig them out (making sure to get all the roots), if you're able to consider painting each weed you should be able to pull the weeds out, it will probably be much faster. if it is major, trim off as much of the green stuff as you can and then smother it with a few layers of cardboard and mulch, absolutely no light or gaps can be left because that is all the grass needs and believe me it will find a way through. raised beds on or near a grassy area should be set up properly to prevent grass incursions. weed barrier fabric underneath, keeping the edges neatly trimmed (don't point your mower chute at the gardens, don't string trim knocking grass seeds into the garden, etc.). often it is better to extend the weed barrier out from the raised bed and to mulch that area also making it less likely for grass to be near the gardens. also, make sure when you add organic materials to the raised beds that it is properly composted or certified to be weed/grass seed free. cow or horse manure may not be composted well enough, same thing with grass clippings sucked up by lawn mowers (never use this stuff unless you want a lot of weeds in your gardens, it must be hot pile composted first). i often bury things in the gardens, but before i do that i make sure it isn't full of seeds and if it has roots i make sure those roots are well dried out so they cannot resprout. All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. These work very well for me: http://www.amazon.com/Sweeneys-9014-.../dp/B0013E3TXC I have four in my vegetable garden and a half dozen around my house amongst the foundation plantings, they've been working unfailingly for nigh on seven years... I think the solar version is a lot better than changing batterys. I hate to burst your bubble but the above mentioned devices use 3 D batteries that must be changed every so often. Amazon placed the wrong text for the Solar Spikes... they take rechargeable batteries (supplied), they also make the Non-solar type that need D cells changed... go he http://www.wrsweeney.com/mole_gopher_products.php http://www.victorpest.com/store/mole...-control/s7915 Lowe's sells them too, that's where I discovered them and bought my first two... next trip they were sold out so I ordered from Amazon. Apparently they now make a Pro version of Solar Spike (see above) that you can insert the rechargeable batterys but I have the original that come with rechargeable batterys already inserted and cannot be accessed. Next time I will try the Pro version, as they say those cover a much larger area. I know they work, at least here in my soil (apparently they don't work well in dry/sandy soil). A few weeks after I set the solar spikes out the voles moved over to my neighbor's yard over 1,000 feet away. |
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Glyphosate
Brooklyn1 wrote:
.... All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. yep. i like to make the work as easy and as multi layered as possible. the soil here really can use all the organic materials i can put down. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks and mice around and that seems to keep the feral cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed. songbird |
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 19:10:36 -0500, songbird
wrote: Brooklyn1 wrote: ... All excellent suggestions. However even taking every precaution weeds will come/gardening is work. yep. i like to make the work as easy and as multi layered as possible. the soil here really can use all the organic materials i can put down. Also I once had the not so bright idea to cover large sections of my garden with cardboard and to leave it over winter... made a wonderful home for voles... among other plants they ate the roots on my blueberry bushes and rug junipers... got all the blueberries to heal but for three, the once gorgeous rug junipers are no more. For mulching a vegetable garden I strongly suggest weed block cloth, voles don't seem to find it attractive to make their homes, but they love cardboard and they also like wood chips especially pine bark nuggets. Once the subteranean critters establish a home they don't like to move and I refuse to use poison... sometimes pouring ordinary household ammonia into their entries repels them but not permanently. once in a while i'll see a vole, but not that often, instead we have a good population of chipmunks and mice around and that seems to keep the feral cats and the neighbor's outdoor cats well fed. I have indoor cats but I have a whole community of ferral cats that I feed in my barn, mostly they prefer what they kill, most won't eat cat food. They live in my barn because I supply heated houses, it gets down into the minus twentys and thirties here in winter. Heating the houses costs very little (40 watts) but the heat keeps them alive... and I make sure there is always food and water... I have heated water bowls too. Today I set up a second heated house. The population is growing. I trap as many as I can and bring them to the Vet to be fixed but most can't be caught. The cats are left behind when summer people leave, they leave dogs too but dogs have very poor survival skills so don't last long. The cats are much better at surviving and form communities. Most of the locals feed the feral cats, this is a farming commuity, the cats earn their keep. |
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