On 12/22/2015 9:25 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
This morning, I saw frost on my neighbors' roofs as late as 8:30am.

"Winter chill" is the number of hous the termperature is at or below
45F. I generally measure from 1 November to 31 March. The average for
my area is about 330 hours. Two years ago, however, we got only 127
hours. Last year it was only 102 hours with the first chill occuring
late on Christmas day.

This year seems to be reverting back to normal. Our first chill was in
mid-November. So far, we have had over 50 hours of chill.

Just because we are having a normally cold winter does not mean there is
no human-induced climate change. "One swallow does not make a summer."
(Aristotle)


Especially since those of us living in the northern states have yet to
experience actual winter weather. We've had only a handful of days where
the temps dropped below freezing, maybe two where it got down to the
teens. None at all where it reached zero or below. Our grass is still
green, for pete's sake - and I live in Minnesota.


All due to climate change - more of a problem than ISIS.

In article , "frank says...

On 12/22/2015 9:25 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
This morning, I saw frost on my neighbors' roofs as late as 8:30am.

"Winter chill" is the number of hous the termperature is at or below
45F. I generally measure from 1 November to 31 March. The average for
my area is about 330 hours. Two years ago, however, we got only 127
hours. Last year it was only 102 hours with the first chill occuring
late on Christmas day.

This year seems to be reverting back to normal. Our first chill was in
mid-November. So far, we have had over 50 hours of chill.

Just because we are having a normally cold winter does not mean there is
no human-induced climate change. "One swallow does not make a summer."
(Aristotle)


Especially since those of us living in the northern states have yet to
experience actual winter weather. We've had only a handful of days where
the temps dropped below freezing, maybe two where it got down to the
teens. None at all where it reached zero or below. Our grass is still
green, for pete's sake - and I live in Minnesota.


All due to climate change - more of a problem than ISIS.

"Climate change" isn't selling people into slavery. And it's been
changing for longer than humans have existed--the problem now is that
it's changing in a way and at a time that gives a certain political
subgroup an opportunity to try to transfer wealth.

On 12/23/2015 7:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , "frank says...

On 12/22/2015 9:25 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
This morning, I saw frost on my neighbors' roofs as late as 8:30am.

"Winter chill" is the number of hous the termperature is at or below
45F. I generally measure from 1 November to 31 March. The average for
my area is about 330 hours. Two years ago, however, we got only 127
hours. Last year it was only 102 hours with the first chill occuring
late on Christmas day.

This year seems to be reverting back to normal. Our first chill was in
mid-November. So far, we have had over 50 hours of chill.

Just because we are having a normally cold winter does not mean there is
no human-induced climate change. "One swallow does not make a summer."
(Aristotle)


Especially since those of us living in the northern states have yet to
experience actual winter weather. We've had only a handful of days where
the temps dropped below freezing, maybe two where it got down to the
teens. None at all where it reached zero or below. Our grass is still
green, for pete's sake - and I live in Minnesota.


All due to climate change - more of a problem than ISIS.

"Climate change" isn't selling people into slavery. And it's been
changing for longer than humans have existed--the problem now is that
it's changing in a way and at a time that gives a certain political
subgroup an opportunity to try to transfer wealth.



My attempt at sarcasm.

I've urged folks to read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton.

Environmentalists went nuts but that was not the main purpose of the
book but to point out what you have just written.

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 4:56:15 AM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
On 12/23/2015 7:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , "frank says...

On 12/22/2015 9:25 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
This morning, I saw frost on my neighbors' roofs as late as 8:30am.

"Winter chill" is the number of hous the termperature is at or below
45F. I generally measure from 1 November to 31 March. The average for
my area is about 330 hours. Two years ago, however, we got only 127
hours. Last year it was only 102 hours with the first chill occuring
late on Christmas day.

This year seems to be reverting back to normal. Our first chill was in
mid-November. So far, we have had over 50 hours of chill.

Just because we are having a normally cold winter does not mean there is
no human-induced climate change. "One swallow does not make a summer."
(Aristotle)


Especially since those of us living in the northern states have yet to
experience actual winter weather. We've had only a handful of days where
the temps dropped below freezing, maybe two where it got down to the
teens. None at all where it reached zero or below. Our grass is still
green, for pete's sake - and I live in Minnesota.


All due to climate change - more of a problem than ISIS.

"Climate change" isn't selling people into slavery. And it's been
changing for longer than humans have existed--the problem now is that
it's changing in a way and at a time that gives a certain political
subgroup an opportunity to try to transfer wealth.



My attempt at sarcasm.

I've urged folks to read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton.

Environmentalists went nuts but that was not the main purpose of the
book but to point out what you have just written.

I read that dreadful, dreadful, cheap-shot drivel with incredulity; then anger.
Maybe certain parties here are subtle enough to read good intent into evil performance. But the average NYTimes best seller purchaser-type would more likely take the bad stuff for (what passes in their limited cosmos) for reality.

"Environmentalists went nuts" is yet another cheap shot. Bad enough that for the last 35 years, since James Hansen's testimony before Congress, Our Corporate Masters have succeeded in heading off climate reform advocated by thinking people until we have probably passed the fabled 'tipping point'.

But for an influential pop novelist to further distort the limited thinking powers of hoi polloi is unforgivable. I hope Michael Crichton's great-grandchildren, if they are able to survive, realize who helped bring about their fate!

On 12/27/2015 12:13 PM, Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 4:56:15 AM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
On 12/23/2015 7:02 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article , "frank says...

On 12/22/2015 9:25 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 12/20/2015 3:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
This morning, I saw frost on my neighbors' roofs as late as 8:30am.

"Winter chill" is the number of hous the termperature is at or below
45F. I generally measure from 1 November to 31 March. The average for
my area is about 330 hours. Two years ago, however, we got only 127
hours. Last year it was only 102 hours with the first chill occuring
late on Christmas day.

This year seems to be reverting back to normal. Our first chill was in
mid-November. So far, we have had over 50 hours of chill.

Just because we are having a normally cold winter does not mean there is
no human-induced climate change. "One swallow does not make a summer."
(Aristotle)


Especially since those of us living in the northern states have yet to
experience actual winter weather. We've had only a handful of days where
the temps dropped below freezing, maybe two where it got down to the
teens. None at all where it reached zero or below. Our grass is still
green, for pete's sake - and I live in Minnesota.


All due to climate change - more of a problem than ISIS.

"Climate change" isn't selling people into slavery. And it's been
changing for longer than humans have existed--the problem now is that
it's changing in a way and at a time that gives a certain political
subgroup an opportunity to try to transfer wealth.



My attempt at sarcasm.

I've urged folks to read "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton.

Environmentalists went nuts but that was not the main purpose of the
book but to point out what you have just written.

I read that dreadful, dreadful, cheap-shot drivel with incredulity; then anger.
Maybe certain parties here are subtle enough to read good intent into evil performance. But the average NYTimes best seller purchaser-type would more likely take the bad stuff for (what passes in their limited cosmos) for reality.

"Environmentalists went nuts" is yet another cheap shot. Bad enough that for the last 35 years, since James Hansen's testimony before Congress, Our Corporate Masters have succeeded in heading off climate reform advocated by thinking people until we have probably passed the fabled 'tipping point'.

But for an influential pop novelist to further distort the limited thinking powers of hoi polloi is unforgivable. I hope Michael Crichton's great-grandchildren, if they are able to survive, realize who helped bring about their fate!


Thought I might get a rise out of you Sara.

Happy New Year