On 27 Oct 2003 18:22:53 -0700, Melissa opined:

"Cereoid-UR12-" saideth:

Datura?

IIRC wasn't that what Carlos Casteneda wrote about? Is it the same as
Jimson Weed? I don't remember after all these years.

Jimson weed is D.stramonium. Can't you take a photo?

animaux wrote:


-snip-
I've been growing and collecting datura and brugmansia for a decade. D.inoxia,
D.wrightii are not xeric, they are also not native. D.stramonium is xeric and
native, but it does not have the showy flowers lf .Wrightii and .inoxia.

Are the flowers smaller or just less prolific? [or did I misidentify
what I thought was D.stramonium?]

It's been a few years, but I thought the flowers were pretty
interesting, if not spectacular.

Is the seed pod peculiar to D.stramonium or just the results of
ingesting the seeds?

Jim

Jim Elbrecht saideth:

On 26 Oct 2003 15:19:01 -0700, Melissa wrote:

I saw a plant growing in a xeriscape area around early September, that
had very pretty white trumpet shaped flowers that were about 6" long!
They were stunning. The plant also had large irregularly shaped leaves.
It was in northwest Denver. I'm not sure if it was a annual or perennial
but it sort of seemed like a perennial. It was a maybe 3' tall bush.

Here's another photo of a Datura [Stramonium] plant
http://www.channel3000.com/news/1700361/detail.html
[good images of leaves & seedpod at
http://www.ppws.vt.edu/~sforza/weeds/datst.html ]

This one is also called Jimsonweed, or Locoweed. Kids eat the seeds
to get high. . . some die. . . many are hospitalized nearly every
year in this area. [upstate NY] More stats at
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs/579/avail.htm

It is a shame because I'd really like to plant some because it is a
very striking plant. The leaves look like oversized oak leaves of a
deep green; the flowers are huge trumpets of white; and the seed pod
is very interesting prickly affair.

The first one I saw was planted in a public garden & disappeared just
as the seed pods became ripe.

The one I saw had curved irregularly shaped leaves, not jagged.

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:20:10 GMT, Jim Elbrecht opined:

animaux wrote:


-snip-
I've been growing and collecting datura and brugmansia for a decade. D.inoxia,
D.wrightii are not xeric, they are also not native. D.stramonium is xeric and
native, but it does not have the showy flowers lf .Wrightii and .inoxia.

Are the flowers smaller or just less prolific? [or did I misidentify
what I thought was D.stramonium?]

It's been a few years, but I thought the flowers were pretty
interesting, if not spectacular.

Is the seed pod peculiar to D.stramonium or just the results of
ingesting the seeds?

Jim

All of the daturas have similar seed pods. Some prickly, some smooth. The
D.metel generally has a double flower and a smooth seed pod. D.inoxia,
wrightii, stramonium all have thorny pods.

Stramonium is the least showy of them all. D.wrightii has the largest flower and
as other datura bloom in cycles. After bloom, I remove all dead flowers and
infant seed pods and fertilize. They are heavy feeders in cultivation. They
suffer as much from over watering than they suffer underwatering.
http://www.nativehabitat.com/ (search for datura in their search feature) has a
great array of photos and explanations.

Jim Elbrecht saideth:

On 26 Oct 2003 15:19:01 -0700, Melissa wrote:

I saw a plant growing in a xeriscape area around early September, that
had very pretty white trumpet shaped flowers that were about 6" long!
They were stunning. The plant also had large irregularly shaped leaves.
It was in northwest Denver. I'm not sure if it was a annual or perennial
but it sort of seemed like a perennial. It was a maybe 3' tall bush.

Here's another photo of a Datura [Stramonium] plant
http://www.channel3000.com/news/1700361/detail.html
[good images of leaves & seedpod at
http://www.ppws.vt.edu/~sforza/weeds/datst.html ]

This one is also called Jimsonweed, or Locoweed. Kids eat the seeds
to get high. . . some die. . . many are hospitalized nearly every
year in this area. [upstate NY] More stats at
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs/579/avail.htm

It is a shame because I'd really like to plant some because it is a
very striking plant. The leaves look like oversized oak leaves of a
deep green; the flowers are huge trumpets of white; and the seed pod
is very interesting prickly affair.

The first one I saw was planted in a public garden & disappeared just
as the seed pods became ripe.

Jim



Ok, I took my camera today and got a few photos of it.
http://www.dimensional.com/~melissa/...0plant%202.JPG

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This plant may be Angel Trumpets, the official name being
brugmansia. From seeds that they drop in September, they come
back each year, or from a cutting.

Melissa wrote:
I saw a plant growing in a xeriscape area around early September, that had
very pretty white trumpet shaped flowers that were about 6" long! They were
stunning. The plant also had large irregularly shaped leaves. It was in
northwest Denver. I'm not sure if it was a annual or perennial but it sort of
seemed like a perennial. It was a maybe 3' tall bush.

Does anyone know what it may have been?

The official name? Did they win a contest or something?

The names of the two genera commonly called "Angel Trumpet" are Datura and
Brugmansia. Note the first letter of the names of genera is always
capitalized.


Josephine Russo wrote in message
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This plant may be Angel Trumpets, the official name being
brugmansia. From seeds that they drop in September, they come
back each year, or from a cutting.

Melissa wrote:
I saw a plant growing in a xeriscape area around early September, that
had
very pretty white trumpet shaped flowers that were about 6" long! They
were
stunning. The plant also had large irregularly shaped leaves. It was in
northwest Denver. I'm not sure if it was a annual or perennial but it
sort of
seemed like a perennial. It was a maybe 3' tall bush.

Does anyone know what it may have been?

These are probably Datura, instead of Brugmansia. Brugmansia is not a short
plant. Either way, I doubt these are hardy in Denver, sans seeds falling and
finding their way to germinate once soil warms.

If the flower hangs down, it's Brugmansia, if the flower points upward, it's
Datura.

Victoria


On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:13:41 GMT, Josephine Russo
opined:

This plant may be Angel Trumpets, the official name being
brugmansia. From seeds that they drop in September, they come
back each year, or from a cutting.

Melissa wrote:
I saw a plant growing in a xeriscape area around early September, that had
very pretty white trumpet shaped flowers that were about 6" long! They were
stunning. The plant also had large irregularly shaped leaves. It was in
northwest Denver. I'm not sure if it was a annual or perennial but it sort of
seemed like a perennial. It was a maybe 3' tall bush.

Does anyone know what it may have been?