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New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:45 GMT, "D Kat" opined:
Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the 5footers I put in that year. Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize the root damage of transplanting..... DKat In my experience both professionally and personally, planting anything in the fall can almost completely eliminate any and all problems of transplant shock. All perennials have some part of their structure growing all winter. Trees develop roots all year, especially in winter, in the south. In my case, I have a greenhouse. It's big enough to have a little misting area set up for cuttings. I'm fortunate to have a wide array of local garden centers who love native plants and some exotic specimens like brugmansia, so I have a source to sell them to. I normally trade for the most excellently produced compost in America. The Natural Gardener in Austin makes their compost the way Dr. Elaine Ingham prescribes on her website, www.soilfoodweb.com |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
I want a greenhouse (greenhouse envy grows rapidly).... MUST HAVE GREEN
HOUSE ...... "animaux" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:30:45 GMT, "D Kat" opined: Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the 5footers I put in that year. Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize the root damage of transplanting..... DKat In my experience both professionally and personally, planting anything in the fall can almost completely eliminate any and all problems of transplant shock. All perennials have some part of their structure growing all winter. Trees develop roots all year, especially in winter, in the south. In my case, I have a greenhouse. It's big enough to have a little misting area set up for cuttings. I'm fortunate to have a wide array of local garden centers who love native plants and some exotic specimens like brugmansia, so I have a source to sell them to. I normally trade for the most excellently produced compost in America. The Natural Gardener in Austin makes their compost the way Dr. Elaine Ingham prescribes on her website, www.soilfoodweb.com |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
I'm sorry... I didn't mean to imply that southerners were tacky.... they
have tacky northern stuff too... its just that the tacky shows are based out of the south .... 8(..... (so glad southerners have good sense of fun and humor).... "Jim Lewis" wrote in message ... but then they seemed to be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows. We tacky s'uthuners resemble that! ;-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Apples and Oranges: A Demonstration -- Welcome to Hooterville! Population: 2000. Elevation: 3000. Established: 1850. TOTAL = 6850 -- Bob Lilienfield |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"D Kat" wrote in message
et... Yes, I think what people tend to forget is that the larger the plant the larger the root loss and the longer for recovery. I had always read that smaller plants do better but it really never hit home until I experienced first hand with the 1' tree vs the 5' tree. I still have a hard time believing that the little thing managed to outgrow almost every one of the 5footers I put in that year. The probable reason many people go for the "big" plants is because they want instant gratification. I was at a local garden center this week and watched a woman load her cart with a half dozen big plants in full bloom, passing over the ones that were in bud and just beginning to open. I was about to say something but resisted because it was obvious she could afford her purchases. Many people treat purchased plants in the same manner they treat cut flowers. When the blossoms fade, they are discarded. That's definitely a plus for growers! G Cuttings are magic. My problem has been that I tend to get absentminded and not to baby them as I should that first year and they die off on me. I'm told that you really need to have a special spot put aside just for your cuttings where they don't have to compete with anything and then transplant them. I suppose if you did that for just the first year you would minimize the root damage of transplanting..... DKat I agree with you about the magic of cuttings. I start many cuttings from shrubs that are sold at a fund raiser for our garden club, concentrating on those that do well in our area. I start them one spring and they are sold that fall or the following spring. The only cuttings I've had survival problems with are viburnums that I started in the spring and planted in the fall. If they are held until the following spring or fall, they generally survive in their new homes. Once the cuttings root, I really baby them, which means I usually have 90% survival rate. Occasionally I have a healthy, rooted cutting die, which really irritates me. I contacted a friend who teaches propagation classes at an area university to ask why they failed. The gist of her reply was "s**t happens! G John |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"D Kat" wrote in message et... The Canada shows work well for much of the northeast and some for the northwest but the southern shows really are only useful for a small part of the south. The Southwest is not shown at all and that is where you really need a good show to point out how to grow plants in an arid climate. I [snip] I love the Gardener's journal, but for a show on canada, Kathy never seems to make it lower than zone 5 and seems to spend a lot of show in places like niagra on the lake or places that are even warmer. Just once I would have liked to see the show profile gardening in Alberta or Manitoba. There was a Minnesota based show sponsored by the horticultural society and the U of MN but it doesn't seem to be on any more, probably axed by budget cuts. The Great Lakes Gardener is a joke. I watched a couple of episodes and when the host spent a whole show at a hardware store trying out different chainsaws I gave up watching. Gardening by the Yard on HGTV is done in Oklahoma and amid all the jokes, the guy seems to highlight plants that are good for hot arid climates. mm |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:59:35 GMT, "D Kat" opined:
I want a greenhouse (greenhouse envy grows rapidly).... MUST HAVE GREEN HOUSE ...... Yes, a greenhouse is a delightful thing! Mine is 10'x20' and I wish it was bigger. This year I built shelves which gives me much more space than I had. Living in a southern state makes it easier to heat in winter to keep frost out of there. Last night I put the heater on just in case. We have a light frost this morning. My greenhouse was relatively inexpensive at about 700 dollars. They have more expensive hard sided houses made of polycarbonate, but I love mine. V |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
alright, ya'll are ganging up on me........no fair.......ZHANNNNNN??
They're picking on me! G I realize I DO ramble on sometimes. or rather in the words of Squire "honey, you go into way too much DETAIL!!!!!" madgardener "Vox Humana" wrote in message ... "Salty Thumb" wrote in message ... bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one sitting! And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you could easily make something 100x better. I suppose the PBS could run one episode for their entire two week pledge marathon! |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
alright, ya'll are ganging up on me........no fair.......ZHANNNNNN??
They're picking on me! G I realize I DO ramble on sometimes. or rather in the words of Squire "honey, you go into way too much DETAIL!!!!!" madgardener "Vox Humana" wrote in message ... "Salty Thumb" wrote in message ... bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one sitting! And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you could easily make something 100x better. I suppose the PBS could run one episode for their entire two week pledge marathon! |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
alright, ya'll are ganging up on me........no fair.......ZHANNNNNN??
They're picking on me! G I realize I DO ramble on sometimes. or rather in the words of Squire "honey, you go into way too much DETAIL!!!!!" madgardener "Vox Humana" wrote in message ... "Salty Thumb" wrote in message ... bah, just think, you wouldn't even have to edit (too much), just put some breaks in and you could film an entire season's worth of show in one sitting! And considering some of the lame stuff they show on TV these days, you could easily make something 100x better. I suppose the PBS could run one episode for their entire two week pledge marathon! |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message ... but then they seemed to be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows. We tacky s'uthuners resemble that! ;-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Apples and Oranges: A Demonstration -- Welcome to Hooterville! Population: 2000. Elevation: 3000. Established: 1850. TOTAL = 6850 -- Bob Lilienfield My garden flamingo's that Zhan has brought me agree!! (then add the fairies that perch on or near the BBQ pit fountain, the stakes that look like frogs made of metal and large green glass shooter marbles for eyes stuck into pots of perennials out front and the rainbow wind thing that turns and moves with the rudder, and tacky Southern is one of my many identifiable markings! The only thing I DON'T have is the painted, turned inside out of cut tire for a planter............which actually works quite well as it's raised, insulated by the rubber and doesn't have to be painted white. I'd personally love to have one of them as an instant bed.............. madgardener who has quite a flock of flamingo's growing up on the ridge, back in fairy holler in Eastern Tennessee |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"D Kat" wrote in message et... I'm sorry... I didn't mean to imply that southerners were tacky.... they have tacky northern stuff too... its just that the tacky shows are based out of the south .... 8(..... (so glad southerners have good sense of fun and humor).... if you want a PERFECT example of Southern tacky........and a GREAT book-----hunt down Passalong Plants co-written by Steven Bender and Felder Rushing. Hilarious, informative and worth adding to your garden book collection. It's printed thru Chapel Hill Press. They've devoted a whole chapter to Southern tacky yard art.............. maddie |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"Jim Lewis" wrote in message ... but then they seemed to be entirely taken over by southern tacky decoration and crafts shows. We tacky s'uthuners resemble that! ;-) Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Apples and Oranges: A Demonstration -- Welcome to Hooterville! Population: 2000. Elevation: 3000. Established: 1850. TOTAL = 6850 -- Bob Lilienfield My garden flamingo's that Zhan has brought me agree!! (then add the fairies that perch on or near the BBQ pit fountain, the stakes that look like frogs made of metal and large green glass shooter marbles for eyes stuck into pots of perennials out front and the rainbow wind thing that turns and moves with the rudder, and tacky Southern is one of my many identifiable markings! The only thing I DON'T have is the painted, turned inside out of cut tire for a planter............which actually works quite well as it's raised, insulated by the rubber and doesn't have to be painted white. I'd personally love to have one of them as an instant bed.............. madgardener who has quite a flock of flamingo's growing up on the ridge, back in fairy holler in Eastern Tennessee |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"D Kat" wrote in message et... I'm sorry... I didn't mean to imply that southerners were tacky.... they have tacky northern stuff too... its just that the tacky shows are based out of the south .... 8(..... (so glad southerners have good sense of fun and humor).... if you want a PERFECT example of Southern tacky........and a GREAT book-----hunt down Passalong Plants co-written by Steven Bender and Felder Rushing. Hilarious, informative and worth adding to your garden book collection. It's printed thru Chapel Hill Press. They've devoted a whole chapter to Southern tacky yard art.............. maddie |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
"John Catron" wrote in message ... alright, ya'll are ganging up on me........no fair.......ZHANNNNNN?? They're picking on me! G I realize I DO ramble on sometimes. or rather in the words of Squire "honey, you go into way too much DETAIL!!!!!" madgardener Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes my eyes glaze over when I see how much is written. I guess my attention span has decreased due to the sound-bite mentality of the media. |
New show on PBS, P. Allen Smith?
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