Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

zxcvbob wrote in
:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in
some way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if
the word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa,
because I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely
never going to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended. Not one single Bantu has
spoken up on this issue.

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive.
Maybe we should switch to French to avoid offending their
sensibilities.

Sincèrement,
Bob


Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

On 4/5/04 4:21 PM, in article ,
"zxcvbob" wrote:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended. Not one single Bantu has spoken up
on this issue.

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive. Maybe we
should switch to French to avoid offending their sensibilities.

Sincèrement,
Bob
Isn't that what they are trying to do already?
C

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

Thanks Janet. Actually I thought the kaffirs were the native-born whites, like
Afrikaaners. The Middle East and Central/Eastern Europe are more my territory
for unusual ethnic names (Quick: where can you find a Rusyn? Not a Russian, a
Rusyn.
zemedelec

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

Reading the above, the only conclusion I've managed to reach is that anyone
offended by any name must have a severe inferiority complex.
Others seem to imply "Complex be damned"!!
As a long serving member of the RWAFF
[Royal West African Frontier Force] on the Gold Coast,[now Ghana] I
accumulated numerous derogatory names, many quite true, but none that could
possibly have annoyed or offended me in any way. I cannot even think of any
term I would find offensive, true or not!!
Calling me an 'organic gardener' might imply some degree of unmerited
ignorance however.
Best Wishes
"Zemedelec" wrote in message
...
Thanks Janet. Actually I thought the kaffirs were the native-born whites,
like
Afrikaaners. The Middle East and Central/Eastern Europe are more my
territory
for unusual ethnic names (Quick: where can you find a Rusyn? Not a
Russian, a
Rusyn.
zemedelec

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

Salty Thumb wrote:

Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.


You are welcome. Your cookie what?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Bob

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

zxcvbob wrote in
:

Salty Thumb wrote:

Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du
fouet.


You are welcome. Your cookie what?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Bob

ich sage nicht. die Wörter kann sein anstößig (???)

:-)

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

Gee Broccoli, you mean we are forced to include someone like yourself that
isn't of the human race too?


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:


I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.

This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:32:58 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote:


Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.

According to the miracles of www.altavista.com 's Babblefish, this means "Yes, I agree entirely.
Thank you very much, my biscuit of the whip".

Sounds violent and/or kinky to me.

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:


I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.

This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:21:36 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote:


ich sage nicht. die Wörter kann sein anstößig (???)

Again, thanks to Babelfish, we know that this means, in English,

"I legend not. the words can be anstoessig"

:-)

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended. Not one single Bantu has spoken up
on this issue.

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive. Maybe we
should switch to French to avoid offending their sensibilities.

Sincèrement,
Bob

Kaffir lily is an offensive name
 

It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted racists among us
and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program.


"Lori S" wrote in message
...
Wow, such hostility in such a beautiful NG. No need for that, let's get
back to the topic! Spread the aloha spirit I always say...random acts of
kindness to replace the ugliest of things. Ignore and delete is the way
to
defeat! Lori :o)

Kaffir lily is an offensive name
 

"..........It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted
racists among us and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program. .........."

Balderdash!

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Kaffir Lily is an offensive name
 

zxcvbob wrote in
:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in
some way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if
the word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa,
because I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely
never going to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended. Not one single Bantu has
spoken up on this issue.

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive.
Maybe we should switch to French to avoid offending their
sensibilities.

Sincèrement,
Bob


Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.

Kaffir lily is an offensive name
 

The last paragraph of my posting is the one that should be most relevant to
you in particular, David.

"Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program."


"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"..........It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted
racists among us and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not
to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame
excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil
the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the
modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue
to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One
may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program. .........."

Balderdash!

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk