Jim Voege8/4/04 10:54


"Sacha" wrote in message
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Jim Voege8/4/04 8:38

"Sacha" wrote in message
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It's another world, a magic, a revelation. And all our plants are
still there next morning, in the *day*light.

Different preferences in "magic" ...

Jim


And a total loss of the *real* thing to the artificial. Big shame, IMO.
--

I have gained a garden at night. What have I lost?

Jim


The real thing. But if you turn off your telly, turn out your house lights
and illuminate your garden, sitting at a window to enjoy it, then that's
your business.
--

Sacha
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Bella9/4/04 7:47

"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
...


BTW in the uk when the temperature reaches a sufficient level to have a
bbq outside, it stays light until it is too cool to be outside any
more!!!

There is no such thing as too cold to BBQ...
--

I found a hailstorm, in Jersey, in April gave the lie to that for me. ;-)

--

Sacha
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In article , Jim Voege
writes

You folks in the UK should understand that you live quite a bit further
north than most North Americans and during the summer it stays light longer.
In many places in August, for example, after you get home from work, have
dinner etc, you're running out of light.

So why did you post your post to a uk group?
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Bella wrote:

There is no such thing as too cold to BBQ...


But who wants to stand over a hot fire on a cold day?

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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
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In article , Jim Voege
writes

You folks in the UK should understand that you live quite a bit further
north than most North Americans and during the summer it stays light
longer.
In many places in August, for example, after you get home from work, have
dinner etc, you're running out of light.

So why did you post your post to a uk group?

Actually, I'm at rec.gardens and when I replied to the original post at the
beginning of the thread I hadn't noticed that it was posted to both groups.

Jim

"JennyC" wrote:
Yeah but by the time the weather is conducive to BbQing its light until very
late and a few candles are far more romantic

"Bella" wrote:
There is no such thing as too cold to BBQ...

"Sue da Nimm" . wrote:
Wow!
I can save a fortune on charcoal and firelighters if that's true!

We still use a fire, but we brush the ice and snow off the grill before
we start. Sometimes we take the food indoors to eat, unless we have a
neighbor that gets up tight about outdoor light. Then we brush the ice
and snow off the picnic table and eat there so we don't have the indoor
lights shining out the windows of the house upsetting our neighbor.
Sometimes we even take the Scouts camping in the middle of winter and
eat and sleep under the stars.

"..... But who wants to stand over a hot fire on a cold day?....."

Some people like toasted nuts.....

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:271141 uk.rec.gardening:195427

In article , Jim Voege
writes
So why did you post your post to a uk group?

Actually, I'm at rec.gardens and when I replied to the original post at the
beginning of the thread I hadn't noticed that it was posted to both groups.

I also have to confess . . . I didn't notice the cross post either ))
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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
...
In article , Jim Voege
writes
So why did you post your post to a uk group?

Actually, I'm at rec.gardens and when I replied to the original post at
the
beginning of the thread I hadn't noticed that it was posted to both
groups.

I also have to confess . . . I didn't notice the cross post either ))
--

Hehe. I guess in mid-summer you guys have to stay up pretty late to enjoy
those stars.

Jim

In article , Jim Voege
writes


Hehe. I guess in mid-summer you guys have to stay up pretty late to enjoy
those stars.

In Scotland you hardly have time at all
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"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
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In article , Jim Voege
writes


Hehe. I guess in mid-summer you guys have to stay up pretty late to
enjoy
those stars.

In Scotland you hardly have time at all

Hehe. I know what you mean. Some of my countrymen who live way, way up
have literally no time at all.

Interesting growing season up there. So short. But so intense.

Jim

"Sacha" wrote in message
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Look, I'm really sorry to rain on anyone's parade but perhaps you might
ask
yourselves if you really *want* garden lighting?

Yes!

Why? What will you do with
it?

Have trendy garden parties at night with all our friends!

Will you actually sit at the window and turn off the telly and look out
at our night-illuminated garden?

Maybe if it looks nice

This country has (IIRC) the highest light pollution in the world
proportionately speaking. I can understand garden lighting when you're
using a deck or terrace for a party but to light plants at night? WHY?
Can't you look at them in the day time?
If you live in the boondocks and need to light the path to the house -
maybe
install something that comes on as you approach it and goes off rapidly as
you enter the house.
So - FWIW, you may want to consider less light pollution and more sitting
outside in the soft darkness of a summer's night looking at the *stars*
which will not have been blanked out by a something-or-other lighting your
Skimmia or bamboo and all those of all your neighbours. Just a teensy
thought....

Doesn't really matter to me, we live in a town, we have street lights
already, I don't think 5 or 6 low voltage lights are going to harm anyone!

A newcomer to this village tried to get street lighting installed once -
not
a shrewd move. I think he moved quite soon after that. ;-)

Good on him for trying. Last area I lived in had street lights installed and
burglary, assult and car theft fell by over 75%! To many people are stuck in
the *dark ages* on things like this, only seeing the negatives, and not the
benefits! Would you rather see the stars, or be safe walking at nights!
Sure, it would be great to be able to do both, but thats not the world we
live in is it!

On many winter and summer nights we go outside to look at the stars and
even
with the very faint loom of Torquay some miles away we can actually *see*
them. It's another world, a magic, a revelation. And all our plants are
still there next morning, in the *day*light.

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
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Ben
Swindon

"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in message
news

Apparently you aren't familiar with the tradition of barbecue (bar-BQ).
It is where you cook outdoors on a grill (charcoal or propane) and eat
outdoors. If the host has a nice garden, the bar-BQ may be held in or
next to the garden. If the function lasts after sundown, outdoor
lighting is needed. Frequently it includes tiki torches with citronella
laced fuel to keep the insects down.


Indeedy! I want to throw trendy parties with our friends, BBQ, cocktails
etc. Its my fiancee 21st soon, and I plan to have the garden sorted so we
can have a big bash for her!

Ben

"Jane Ransom" wrote in message
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I also have to confess . . . I didn't notice the cross post either ))
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Ah, that be my fault! I like to get as many views on a subject as possible!
Posting to just the UK group would have meant missing out on other contries
views, and they might have had a different product that I could order online
to what we have here in the UK.

Ben

Ben Blackmore13/4/04 8:49
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"Sacha" wrote in message
o.uk...

Look, I'm really sorry to rain on anyone's parade but perhaps you might
ask
yourselves if you really *want* garden lighting?

Yes!

Why? What will you do with
it?

Have trendy garden parties at night with all our friends!

You must live in a much warmer climate than most of us.

Will you actually sit at the window and turn off the telly and look out
at our night-illuminated garden?

Maybe if it looks nice

But unlikely to be a nightly habit, is it?

This country has (IIRC) the highest light pollution in the world
proportionately speaking. I can understand garden lighting when you're
using a deck or terrace for a party but to light plants at night? WHY?
Can't you look at them in the day time?
If you live in the boondocks and need to light the path to the house -
maybe
install something that comes on as you approach it and goes off rapidly as
you enter the house.
So - FWIW, you may want to consider less light pollution and more sitting
outside in the soft darkness of a summer's night looking at the *stars*
which will not have been blanked out by a something-or-other lighting your
Skimmia or bamboo and all those of all your neighbours. Just a teensy
thought....

Doesn't really matter to me, we live in a town, we have street lights
already, I don't think 5 or 6 low voltage lights are going to harm anyone!

All that light pollution had to start somewhere.....

A newcomer to this village tried to get street lighting installed once -
not
a shrewd move. I think he moved quite soon after that. ;-)

Good on him for trying. Last area I lived in had street lights installed and
burglary, assult and car theft fell by over 75%! To many people are stuck in
the *dark ages* on things like this, only seeing the negatives, and not the
benefits! Would you rather see the stars, or be safe walking at nights!
Sure, it would be great to be able to do both, but thats not the world we
live in is it!

We're perfectly safe walking at night here, that's the point that made his
request so ridiculous. This is a small Devonshire hamlet/village, not a
suburban housing area. There is and was no need for permanent lighting. If
we walk out at night we take torches and if we go further afield we go by
car. If a car goes past our house after midnight it makes us wonder who's
up that late!

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