Hi,

"Tom Randy" wrote in message
news
That's exactly my point. The OP who now has weeds, berries, brush,
etc, will
most likely have the same thing in a few years if he goes the
wildflower
route. The same thing will happen with a well planned perennial
bed. You
start with a nice mix of plants. If you don't manage the bed, you
end up
with the entire thing choked with one or two aggressive plants.
Then nasty
weeds like thistles will get established, and in my area, maple
and locust
saplings will appear.


Absolutely true. If I don't stay on top of my flower beds forget
about it.
Weeds,maple saplings go WILD.

I agree, The wildflower route is not the way to go.

I will suggested planting groundcover instead, once established, it
never needs mowing.

I use Perennial Peanut to substitute lawn.

Carpet Daisy(Wedelia trilobata) are invasive, but good for the border
of land to compete with those aggrasive weeds.

Mexican heather(Cuphea hyssopifolia) are good for marking the border.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"............ Have you actually done this? I haven't seen anyone
successfully turn an area into a wild flower meadow. It seems that in a
year or two you have a weed infested area that is dominated by one or two
species .........."
I am in the process of turning a plot over to this, many in the UK are now
well over 5 yrs old, and in Holland they have been doing this for around 20
years, and there is No way we would ever burn, this is the point of mowing
when the seed is set and then leaving it on the ground to give it time to
drop and thus re seed the area.
It is also why you add seeds of other wild flowers suitable for your area.
Mind you, if you regard all wild flowers as Weeds then this is defiantly
not the answer for you.
I was under the impression that you would be deciding in a year or two if
you were going to build on the plot so were not looking for a long term
answer and didn't want to spend much money on it.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Did you not consider this BEFORE you moved in?

Hi,

"Tom Randy" wrote in message
news
That's exactly my point. The OP who now has weeds, berries, brush,
etc, will
most likely have the same thing in a few years if he goes the
wildflower
route. The same thing will happen with a well planned perennial
bed. You
start with a nice mix of plants. If you don't manage the bed, you
end up
with the entire thing choked with one or two aggressive plants.
Then nasty
weeds like thistles will get established, and in my area, maple
and locust
saplings will appear.


Absolutely true. If I don't stay on top of my flower beds forget
about it.
Weeds,maple saplings go WILD.

I agree, The wildflower route is not the way to go.

I will suggested planting groundcover instead, once established, it
never needs mowing.

I use Perennial Peanut to substitute lawn.

Carpet Daisy(Wedelia trilobata) are invasive, but good for the border
of land to compete with those aggrasive weeds.

Mexican heather(Cuphea hyssopifolia) are good for marking the border.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"............ Have you actually done this? I haven't seen anyone
successfully turn an area into a wild flower meadow. It seems that in a
year or two you have a weed infested area that is dominated by one or two
species .........."
I am in the process of turning a plot over to this, many in the UK are now
well over 5 yrs old, and in Holland they have been doing this for around 20
years, and there is No way we would ever burn, this is the point of mowing
when the seed is set and then leaving it on the ground to give it time to
drop and thus re seed the area.
It is also why you add seeds of other wild flowers suitable for your area.
Mind you, if you regard all wild flowers as Weeds then this is defiantly
not the answer for you.
I was under the impression that you would be deciding in a year or two if
you were going to build on the plot so were not looking for a long term
answer and didn't want to spend much money on it.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Hi,

"Tom Randy" wrote in message
news
That's exactly my point. The OP who now has weeds, berries, brush,
etc, will
most likely have the same thing in a few years if he goes the
wildflower
route. The same thing will happen with a well planned perennial
bed. You
start with a nice mix of plants. If you don't manage the bed, you
end up
with the entire thing choked with one or two aggressive plants.
Then nasty
weeds like thistles will get established, and in my area, maple
and locust
saplings will appear.


Absolutely true. If I don't stay on top of my flower beds forget
about it.
Weeds,maple saplings go WILD.

I agree, The wildflower route is not the way to go.

I will suggested planting groundcover instead, once established, it
never needs mowing.

I use Perennial Peanut to substitute lawn.

Carpet Daisy(Wedelia trilobata) are invasive, but good for the border
of land to compete with those aggrasive weeds.

Mexican heather(Cuphea hyssopifolia) are good for marking the border.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"............ Have you actually done this? I haven't seen anyone
successfully turn an area into a wild flower meadow. It seems that in a
year or two you have a weed infested area that is dominated by one or two
species .........."
I am in the process of turning a plot over to this, many in the UK are now
well over 5 yrs old, and in Holland they have been doing this for around 20
years, and there is No way we would ever burn, this is the point of mowing
when the seed is set and then leaving it on the ground to give it time to
drop and thus re seed the area.
It is also why you add seeds of other wild flowers suitable for your area.
Mind you, if you regard all wild flowers as Weeds then this is defiantly
not the answer for you.
I was under the impression that you would be deciding in a year or two if
you were going to build on the plot so were not looking for a long term
answer and didn't want to spend much money on it.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Hi,

"Tom Randy" wrote in message
news
That's exactly my point. The OP who now has weeds, berries, brush,
etc, will
most likely have the same thing in a few years if he goes the
wildflower
route. The same thing will happen with a well planned perennial
bed. You
start with a nice mix of plants. If you don't manage the bed, you
end up
with the entire thing choked with one or two aggressive plants.
Then nasty
weeds like thistles will get established, and in my area, maple
and locust
saplings will appear.


Absolutely true. If I don't stay on top of my flower beds forget
about it.
Weeds,maple saplings go WILD.

I agree, The wildflower route is not the way to go.

I will suggested planting groundcover instead, once established, it
never needs mowing.

I use Perennial Peanut to substitute lawn.

Carpet Daisy(Wedelia trilobata) are invasive, but good for the border
of land to compete with those aggrasive weeds.

Mexican heather(Cuphea hyssopifolia) are good for marking the border.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"............ Have you actually done this? I haven't seen anyone
successfully turn an area into a wild flower meadow. It seems that in a
year or two you have a weed infested area that is dominated by one or two
species .........."
I am in the process of turning a plot over to this, many in the UK are now
well over 5 yrs old, and in Holland they have been doing this for around 20
years, and there is No way we would ever burn, this is the point of mowing
when the seed is set and then leaving it on the ground to give it time to
drop and thus re seed the area.
It is also why you add seeds of other wild flowers suitable for your area.
Mind you, if you regard all wild flowers as Weeds then this is defiantly
not the answer for you.
I was under the impression that you would be deciding in a year or two if
you were going to build on the plot so were not looking for a long term
answer and didn't want to spend much money on it.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Did you not consider this BEFORE you moved in?

Hi,

"Tom Randy" wrote in message
news
That's exactly my point. The OP who now has weeds, berries, brush,
etc, will
most likely have the same thing in a few years if he goes the
wildflower
route. The same thing will happen with a well planned perennial
bed. You
start with a nice mix of plants. If you don't manage the bed, you
end up
with the entire thing choked with one or two aggressive plants.
Then nasty
weeds like thistles will get established, and in my area, maple
and locust
saplings will appear.


Absolutely true. If I don't stay on top of my flower beds forget
about it.
Weeds,maple saplings go WILD.

I agree, The wildflower route is not the way to go.

I will suggested planting groundcover instead, once established, it
never needs mowing.

I use Perennial Peanut to substitute lawn.

Carpet Daisy(Wedelia trilobata) are invasive, but good for the border
of land to compete with those aggrasive weeds.

Mexican heather(Cuphea hyssopifolia) are good for marking the border.

Regards,
Wong

--
Latitude: 06.10N Longitude: 102.17E Altitude: 5m

"............ Have you actually done this? I haven't seen anyone
successfully turn an area into a wild flower meadow. It seems that in a
year or two you have a weed infested area that is dominated by one or two
species .........."
I am in the process of turning a plot over to this, many in the UK are now
well over 5 yrs old, and in Holland they have been doing this for around 20
years, and there is No way we would ever burn, this is the point of mowing
when the seed is set and then leaving it on the ground to give it time to
drop and thus re seed the area.
It is also why you add seeds of other wild flowers suitable for your area.
Mind you, if you regard all wild flowers as Weeds then this is defiantly
not the answer for you.
I was under the impression that you would be deciding in a year or two if
you were going to build on the plot so were not looking for a long term
answer and didn't want to spend much money on it.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Did you not consider this BEFORE you moved in?

"Wishy13764" wrote
Did you not consider this BEFORE you moved in?

Actually, no we didn't. :-)

The front 1/4 acre, ok, we let that go for the past couple of months while
we finished up other areas of the property and finished some things inside
the house and in the shop and putting up a temporary fence for the dogs to
run in. The back 1/4 though, we didn't realize that this would grow as fast
as it did and that there were brush/weeds/berries that would overtake some
areas.

We realize it now of course after we had to use a brush mower to take it all
down that this was not going to be a recurring thing for us. We only today
managed to finally haul away all the trees and branches from the cutting 2
months ago to align the perimeter. So we have the front under control and
looking nice as when we purchased and can keep that up. We have the back
mowed and determined what needs to be done to make it manageable while we
determine what we want to do in that area. And we have now finished the
side where the trees were to be able to cut that area and have easier access
to the greenhouse.

This purchase was spur of the moment. We have been looking for property for
a few years, this came up, bought it the next morning. Price, location,
amenities, and city services were all perfect; so when reviewing the house
and the land, it came as secondary review in the work needed to get up to
par. It is almost there, so we are happy.

The reason we can't decide on the back 1/4 yet is we don't know if we are
building a new house there, a garage there, or landscape it with grass while
putting the house and new shop/garage in a different location on the
property.

I didn't want a field in my backyard, but when you turn around 2 months
later when everything has settled and the weather got nice; that is exactly
what we got. :-)




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Tim Fierro wrote:

"Wishy13764" wrote

Did you not consider this BEFORE you moved in?


Actually, no we didn't. :-)

The front 1/4 acre, ok, we let that go for the past couple of months while
we finished up other areas of the property and finished some things inside
the house and in the shop and putting up a temporary fence for the dogs to
run in. The back 1/4 though, we didn't realize that this would grow as fast
as it did and that there were brush/weeds/berries that would overtake some
areas.

We realize it now of course after we had to use a brush mower to take it all
down that this was not going to be a recurring thing for us. We only today
managed to finally haul away all the trees and branches from the cutting 2
months ago to align the perimeter. So we have the front under control and
looking nice as when we purchased and can keep that up. We have the back
mowed and determined what needs to be done to make it manageable while we
determine what we want to do in that area. And we have now finished the
side where the trees were to be able to cut that area and have easier access
to the greenhouse.

This purchase was spur of the moment. We have been looking for property for
a few years, this came up, bought it the next morning. Price, location,
amenities, and city services were all perfect; so when reviewing the house
and the land, it came as secondary review in the work needed to get up to
par. It is almost there, so we are happy.

The reason we can't decide on the back 1/4 yet is we don't know if we are
building a new house there, a garage there, or landscape it with grass while
putting the house and new shop/garage in a different location on the
property.

I didn't want a field in my backyard, but when you turn around 2 months
later when everything has settled and the weather got nice; that is exactly
what we got. :-)


Just don't go overboard with the brush killer (probably 2,4-d or
triclopyr.) Mowing will *almost* take care of the brush and weeds
without using any chemicals. After you've mowed a couple of times, spot
treat the remaining stubborn weeds with herbicides. It's cheaper that
way, and less likely to contaminate the ground water and streams with
the runoff.

Best regards,
Bob -- has an amazing stockpile of pesticides (including chlordane,
"Black Leaf 40", and old-stock kelthane with DDT in it), and seldom uses
any of it.