It seems huricane Katrina has done more than expose the vulnerability of
the N.O. dike system, but has also exposed a new species of plant life
not indigenous to that area that has local botanists 'stumped'.

Can anyone identify these bushes?

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca2gd.jpg

That's not plant life, you poor misguided Moeho.

That's an inbred race of destructive opportunistic feral beast that cannot
distinguish between a photo op and conspicuous consumption at the expense of
other peoples suffering. That's their idea of "problem solving"!!!


"Mr Mow Town" wrote in message
...
It seems huricane Katrina has done more than expose the vulnerability of
the N.O. dike system, but has also exposed a new species of plant life not
indigenous to that area that has local botanists 'stumped'.

Can anyone identify these bushes?

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca2gd.jpg

Besides, shouldn't it be catfish.


I do assume you know that it is a manufactured photo.
Cheryl

On 9/20/05 1:44 PM, in article ,
"Cereus-validus......." wrote:

That's not plant life, you poor misguided Moeho.

That's an inbred race of destructive opportunistic feral beast that cannot
distinguish between a photo op and conspicuous consumption at the expense of
other peoples suffering. That's their idea of "problem solving"!!!


"Mr Mow Town" wrote in message
...
It seems huricane Katrina has done more than expose the vulnerability of
the N.O. dike system, but has also exposed a new species of plant life not
indigenous to that area that has local botanists 'stumped'.

Can anyone identify these bushes?

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca2gd.jpg

Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Besides, shouldn't it be catfish.


I do assume you know that it is a manufactured photo.
Cheryl


I've had such success with organic gardening products that now I no
longer use manufactured photos. I use only all-natural organic photo
products.

Manufactured photos are ruining the environment. It's true that with
soy photos you only get two colors (brown, and a lighter shade of
brown), and they cost 250 times as much as a Kodak print, but the
realization that saving the environment proves I'm a better person than
everyone else makes it all worthwhile.

I bet Bush only uses manufactured photos. *******.

"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
That's not plant life, you poor misguided Moeho.

That's an inbred race of destructive opportunistic feral beast that cannot
distinguish between a photo op and conspicuous consumption at the expense
of other peoples suffering. That's their idea of "problem solving"!!!


****ing idiot.

1. This has been photoshopped (I don't believe I have to explain it to you).
2. The local government ****ed up - creating most of the suffering.

I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for the "****ing
idiot".

His next brilliant idea is to invade Alaska for their oil!!!

The only way the local government "****ed up" was for not having any
relatives of the president in office and by being democrats.


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
That's not plant life, you poor misguided Moeho.

That's an inbred race of destructive opportunistic feral beast that
cannot distinguish between a photo op and conspicuous consumption at the
expense of other peoples suffering. That's their idea of "problem
solving"!!!


****ing idiot.

1. This has been photoshopped (I don't believe I have to explain it to
you).
2. The local government ****ed up - creating most of the suffering.

"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for the "****ing
idiot".

His next brilliant idea is to invade Alaska for their oil!!!

The only way the local government "****ed up" was for not having any
relatives of the president in office and by being democrats.


And what about the 3000 or so buses that were not used to evacuate anyone?
that ended up under water? no wonder you liberals keep losing. You are
****ing dumb!

Dan J.S. wrote:


"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for the
"****ing idiot".

His next brilliant idea is to invade Alaska for their oil!!!

The only way the local government "****ed up" was for not having any
relatives of the president in office and by being democrats.


And what about the 3000 or so buses that were not used to evacuate anyone?
that ended up under water? no wonder you liberals keep losing. You are
****ing dumb!

I guess you haven't heard - the 3000 buses is an exaggeration originally
started by Newt Gingrich which was picked up by the press and perpetuated
without their checking the accuracy.

It never happened, you gullible minion of the antichrist.

Next you are going to tell me the price gauging of gasoline is the result of
too many people getting fueled up for the labor day weekend.


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for the
"****ing idiot".

His next brilliant idea is to invade Alaska for their oil!!!

The only way the local government "****ed up" was for not having any
relatives of the president in office and by being democrats.


And what about the 3000 or so buses that were not used to evacuate anyone?
that ended up under water? no wonder you liberals keep losing. You are
****ing dumb!

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
...

"Cereus-validus......." wrote in message
. ..
I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for the
"****ing idiot".

His next brilliant idea is to invade Alaska for their oil!!!

The only way the local government "****ed up" was for not having any
relatives of the president in office and by being democrats.


And what about the 3000 or so buses that were not used to evacuate anyone?
that ended up under water? no wonder you liberals keep losing. You are
****ing dumb!
We Failed You?


Anne Rice blames America, not local officials.

"To my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us. You
looked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You want our
Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and our music.

Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny minority preying
on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and turned your backs."

Novelist and New Orleans resident, Anne Rice.


The answer...

Let me get this straight

Ms. Rice, you live in (what was) a very attractive city which lies below sea
level. On one side you have a giant lake; on the other side you have the
Gulf of Mexico. Running through the middle is the Mississippi River. All of
which are above you.

Preventing those giant bodies of water from flooding and drowning you are
levees. These levees are described as "century-old." People have been
warning about the devastating effects of a direct hit from a hurricane for
decades.

I've heard a great deal of complaint in recent days that the federal
government may not have allocated enough money to speed up the upgrades to
those levees. This does, however, raise the question of why city and state
residents were waiting around for the federal government to send enough
money to upgrade this, instead of paying for it themselves. I mean, it was
only your homes, businesses, and lives at stake. Perhaps these upgrades
would have been expensive. If only this city had some sort of events to
attract tourists, from which to collect taxes.

Anyway, your state and local officials decided to spend your tax dollars on
something else that they (and presumably you) found more important, and then
they waited for the rest of the country to pay for these life-preserving
necessities.

Your beloved city and region has a colorful political history, in which
there is, oh, a wee bit of corruption. I'm from New Jersey, so I can't throw
stones at that glass house. But you guys have managed to pick leaders who
give you the worst of both worlds - they're scandal ridden and incompetent
in a crisis. Look, Rudy Giuliani might have run around with Judith Nathan
before his divorce, but he was a hell of a leader in our darkest hours.

You know the National Review crowd isn't a fan of Pataki, but the man was a
rock after 9/11 compared to Governor Weepy I'll-Evacuate-Eventually and
Mayor It's-Everybody's-Fault-Except-Mine. Nobody's throwing around the
adjective "Churchillian" about any of your officials these days. We didn't
pick your local officials; you guys did.

Rice asks, "how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that the
situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to call for
aid?"

Ahem... What about those buses left unused, less than a mile from the
Superdome? JunkYardBlog notes that it's written in the Southeast Louisiana
Evacuation Plan that buses are supposed to be used for evacuation of those
who don't have personal vehicles.

As JYB observes, "there is something very peculiar about a city and a state
that have a plan on the books for years that outlines what to do when a
hurricane is about to strike, yet when a hurricane comes roaring in, the
responsible officials just chuck the plan and try winging it. Delaying and
then winging it in the face of a monstrous Cat 4/5 hurricane is never, ever
a good idea, especially for New Orleans."

Ironically, Nagin told CNN, "I need buses, man," when he had plenty sitting
around unused before the storm hit. Now they're flooded and useless.

But it's not like state and local officials could have seen this coming
(tongue in cheek). They have never had a hurricane bearing down on them
before and... oh, wait, there was Hurricane Ivan just last year. And after
that dodged bullet, Blanco and Nagin both acknowledged they needed a better
evacuation plan.

I would note that we've seen some pretty intense disasters in other parts of
the country, like planes crashing into skyscrapers and subsequently
collapsing, earthquakes, tornadoes, blizzards, and yet somehow, none of
these disasters had the total breakdown of law and order, civil society,
etc. Jonah Goldberg's early joke about a Mad-Max style post-apocalyptic
tribal anarchy may have been in poor taste, but it has turned out to be
nightmarishly prescient.

We failed you? No, oh brilliant creator of Exit to Eden, you failed. You
might not think of it this way, but: Your leaders failed to upgrade the
levees. You elected a bunch of weepers and blame-shifters who lost their
head in a crisis.

Over the past decades, your elected officials have let a criminal element
incubate and grow until they ruled the streets, instead of the forces of law
and order. In pop culture, a New Orleans thief is always a charming rogue
with a devilish smile. In reality, they're a bunch of thugs.

If the number of residents who are looting thugs were such a "tiny
minority," we wouldn't have seen this widespread, relentless anarchy.

Madam, a noticeable number of your neighbors saw this disaster as an
opportunity to smash a window and run away with a television, an act that
reveals much about the inadequacies of the local school system, since that
thief won't be enjoying that television with any electricity anytime soon.

I would also note that this is one hell of a police force your local
officials hired and that you and your neighbors tolerated. 50 percent turned
in their badges during the crisis and quit. Your police superintendent is
conceding that some cops were looting.

Just want to refresh your memory -
four years ago, New York and Washington, planes falling out of the sky,
thousands dead, no idea what the hell is coming next. and the cops, among
others, showed up to work.

To save you guys now, I - and a lot of other Americans - will pitch in.

We are witnessing the biggest mobilization of civilian and military rescue
and relief crews in history. But I have a sneaking suspicion you're going to
want the rest of us to pay for the rebuilding of your city. (In the near
future, we're going to have to have a little chat about the wisdom of
building below sea level, directly next to large bodies of water.)

And if you're going to come to the rest of us hat in hand, demanding the
rest of us clean up after your poor judgment, I'd appreciate a little less
"you failed us" and a little more "we've learned our lesson."

Linda Joyce McAnally

Cereus-validus spouted:

I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for
the "****ing idiot".

==========

I love hearing all you folks with your GED's ranting about
the stupidity of the president with his Harvard degree and
his Yale master's degree.

Gideon wrote:
Cereus-validus spouted:

I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for
the "****ing idiot".

==========

I love hearing all you folks with your GED's ranting about
the stupidity of the president with his Harvard degree and
his Yale master's degree.

University degrees are no guarantee of either competence or wisdom.

Gideon said:

Cereus-validus spouted:

I bet you are one of those fascist republikooks that voted for
the "****ing idiot".

==========

I love hearing all you folks with your GED's ranting about
the stupidity of the president with his Harvard degree and
his Yale master's degree.

First of all, you got that backwards. Yale first, then Harvard. (You've really
got to try harder if you are going to cast aspersions at others intellectual
credentials.)

Secondly, while Cereus is usually prickly and overly sarcastic (and sometimes
smutt) he does have my respect for his expertise in things botanical.

Now let's look at Bush's undergraduate scholarship and his vaunted MBA.
(And I'll throw in a little about me, the amateur horticulturalist. I did have
a few elective classes in horticulture at college, just for fun, but my major
was mathematics.)

I went to a college that recruited me, with a merit scholarship and
as a member of the honors college. Bush got into Yale as a legacy.

I graduated with high honors in an intellectually challenging field.
Bush majored in history and racked up a large number of
"gentleman's Cs." (A coach at my high school taught history; he
*told* me that he found it the easiest subject to major in and he
needed to major in *something* in college because what he really
wanted to teach high school and coach a sport.)

Bush did poorly as a freshman in Political Science, Sociology and
Economics. (I am not surprised.) Bush's transcripts put him in the 21st
percentile of his class in his freshman year. He played a *lot* of intramural
sports. He did post some better grades a senior, when he travelled in a
very well-connected circles (Skull and Bones.)

After graduation,I got married and built a life (still married, 30 years next
June). I've had what help my family could give but that's not much more
than any typical middle-class family could do. Moral guidance. A good
undergraduate education. A loan (since repaid) to help buy my first
house. And I *know* I'm lucky to have had that; I had a leg up and I do
appreciate that *not everyone does.* I didn't have a trust fund. No grad
school.

Bush entered the Texas Air National Guard and did some political work. He
applied to the UT Law School and was rejected. He took a management
trainee position. He did some more political work. He then left the TANG
early, to enter the MBA program at Harvard. Reasonable suspicion suggests
behind-the-scenes rigging of the TANG gig, both the going in and getting
out. (But nothing direct and obvious, because that isn't neccessary when you
move in certain circles. You don't *have* to ask.)

Bush certainly didn't have the undergraduate credentials for Harvard
Business School. What he did have was an educational trust fund and a
father who was chairman of the Republican National Committee (and soon
after the Ambassador to China). He may have been let in under the guise
of what was referred to as a 'poets' program--a small, experimental group
of people who wouldn't normally be considered for admission. And he
would certainly have an easy time building a study group to work with
through the program. (What a *great* guy to know once you've got
your MBA!!!) He certainly learned some business lingo--'metrics' being
a favorite with Bush, thus the long lists of how much of this or that in some
of recent his speeches.

(The MBA degree in general has certainly lost a quite bit of its luster in
the wake of a series of huge corporate scandals. So perhaps having
earned one isn't sucha great intellectual acheivement, or the 'science of
management' isn't as well developed as it could be, or there is a dearth
of ethics training--even at Harvard.)

Bush learned so much at Harvard that he went on to run some businesses
rather unsuccessfully. He was bailed out by family friends and contacts
--though he managed to cash out of one at an opportune time, receiving
only a cursory investigation for insider trading.

Then he became the front man (schmoozer) and minor partner in a baseball
team which was ginned up in value when a new stadium was built with
public assistance (to the tune of $200 million in subsidies). That also
included low-balling 'immanent domain' seizures of land around the
stadium (which added much to the value of the team). "He had a
well-known name, and that created interest in the franchise," according
Tom Schieffer, the Rangers' former president. It was all a very cozy deal.
Not the sort opportunity open to Harvard MBAs not named George W. Bush.
Nor quite the rugged 'self-made man' sort of thing either (nor an example
of the purest of ethics, in my opinion). Name-brand connection and
influence were at the core of this, Bush's one real business success.

Bush has lived and breathed cronyism all his life. Is anyone who paid
attention to Bush's past surprised that a barely-was lawyer and disgraced
horse-show overseer with friends in high places (and no experience in
disaster management) ended up as the head of FEMA? There's reams
more that can be, has been, and will be written about the Bush
administration's preference for political credentials and connections over
competence and relevant experience (the Coalition Provisional Authority
staff in Iraq being a prime example) but this isn't the place and I'm not
the person to do it.

Let's get back to gardening, people.

--
Pat K. ('someplace.net' is comcast)

Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(attributed to Don Marti)

In article says...
****ing idiot.

1. This has been photoshopped (I don't believe I have to explain it to you).

Duh.


2. The local government ****ed up - creating most of the suffering.

You've become a pod person programmed with talking points.

Mr Mow Town wrote:
It seems huricane Katrina has done more than expose the vulnerability of
the N.O. dike system, but has also exposed a new species of plant life
not indigenous to that area that has local botanists 'stumped'.

Can anyone identify these bushes?

http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushvaca2gd.jpg

Hmmm. I see a fish and two vegetables...
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com