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I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was
not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? |
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"Clark..." wrote in message ... I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... I know. It's terrible. I awoke to 26 degree bluebird clear cold this morning. Had to run out on the back porch for a few pieces of wood in my pajamas. It only looks like it will get up to 44 here today. Be glad when this cold weather is over. Steve, in SW Utah, just trying to be sympathetic. ;-) |
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Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... That's why they held the global warming conference in Bali. It was canceled too many times in the past due to blizzards elsewhere ;) Frank |
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"Frank" frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote in message . .. Clark... wrote: I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... That's why they held the global warming conference in Bali. It was canceled too many times in the past due to blizzards elsewhere ;) Frank And then left HUGE carbon footprints while flying there in their personal jets. Duh. Steve |
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"Clark..." wrote in message
... I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a local cold spell)? Dave |
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Dioclese wrote:
"Clark..." wrote in message ... I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a local cold spell)? Dave LOCAL? how about a third of the U.S.? It is not even winter yet! Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? |
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yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the
summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people so they can be controlled.. lucas http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm |
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Use the right term; it isn't Global Warming anymore.
It is called "Climate Change." That way they're right either way. |
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wrote in message ... yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people so they can be controlled.. lucas http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm Question: What is the temperature of Earth, and what should it be? Question: The surface of Mars is also warming. Doesn't it seem odd that mankind is changing the climate on another planet? bob-tx |
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On Dec 17, 9:10 am, wrote:
yeah...see the way it works is,we only have global warming in the summer. i think this global warming thing is a way to scare people so they can be controlled.. lucas http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm The part I like best is how everything to do with the climate now gets attributed to global warming. If it's a hot summer, the news stories talk about global warming. If it's a drought somewhere, it's global warming. Floods, same thing. Even the recent colder than average winter here in the northeast leads to more talk trying to link it to global warming. Yet, a simple look at history shows that there have been periods of major climatic events, eg the dust bowl in the midwest of the 30's. If you go do a search for global cooling, you'll find stories from the 70's when "experts" were equally convinced that the planet faced a possible mini ice age from a cooling trend. And many similar arguments were made, eg that due to modern science, they then had computer models that showed it would happen. |
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Clark... wrote:
I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... Two things, 1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy crap... 2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing. but let's add to that, how about California is going to fall into the ocean. the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of the many Y2K testing and compliance teams. spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a store sign. Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? |
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"Clark..." wrote in message
... Dioclese wrote: "Clark..." wrote in message ... I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? And what's all this have to do with ---GLOBAL WARMING---, (not a local cold spell)? Dave LOCAL? how about a third of the U.S.? It is not even winter yet! Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? Yep, its snowing in the Med (sea) too. It never gets very cold there either. Nothing I've seen so far is a long term thing regarding the uncomfortable cold. So, what's any of this have to do with global warming? And, yes, I would welcome it if such global warming did not exist. Perhaps the oceans have played a trick on us. Global cooling may have commenced. Global ice age on the horizon... Move to Mexico for something more familiar in temperature. Candidly, we've been lucky to date on the weather we have had in recent past history in terms of thousands of years. Can change in a matter of a few years. Dave |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500, "Clark..."
wrote: Clark... wrote: I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... Two things, 1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy crap... 2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing. but let's add to that, how about California is going to fall into the ocean. the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of the many Y2K testing and compliance teams. spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a store sign. Clark... Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And anything else. I love your Y2K joke. I worked my ass off fixing and testing computer systems so they would function properly after 1999. Lots of other people did the same thing. Oh, nothing happened! That's because we worked our asses off making sure that nothing would happen. Money wasted I guess. Asshole. Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact. Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit it. And yes, California may very well fall into the ocean. That doesn't mean I don't go there sometimes. But sometime in the next few thousand years it is going to have a nasty earthquake. Perhaps you can be there to enjoy it. And for your assertion that there is no global warming because it's snowing outside, global warming means more energy in the atmosphere. That means a more active atmosphere, with more extreme events. Colder colds, hotter hots, deeper snows, heavier rains. Useless to worry about it or try to do something about it, unless you give a shit about our kids and their kids. |
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On Dec 19, 9:47 am, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500, "Clark..." wrote: Clark... wrote: I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... Two things, 1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy crap... 2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing. but let's add to that, how about California is going to fall into the ocean. the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of the many Y2K testing and compliance teams. spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a store sign. Clark... Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And anything else. That's a bit of an extreme reaction, isn't it? Just because somebody makes fun of whacko environmental extremists doesn't mean that they think all nature should be burnt down. Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact. Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit it. That's half false. Obviously, global warming occurs. However, nothing approaching a majority of scientists agree that HUMANS are the *main* factor. Isn't it funny that all these melting glaciers are revealing ancient forests? How can it be possible that only a few hundred years ago Greenland was a bountiful colony, and within 100 years became too cold to support pre-industrial civilization? How was the planet ever warm enough before humans built their terrible, nasty, electricity-needing civilizations? Clearly those ancient forests, tropical plant fossils in the Antarctic, and sea creature fossils found on the tops of mountains were put there by George W. Bush and other Republicans JUST so that they can deny global warming! And for your assertion that there is no global warming because it's snowing outside, global warming means more energy in the atmosphere. That means a more active atmosphere, with more extreme events. Colder colds, hotter hots, deeper snows, heavier rains. Who determines what the "perfect" global climate is? 10,000 years ago, before cities and electricity, we were in an ice age. Was that the perfect natural climate? 60,000,000 years ago most of the land mass was tropical or sub-tropical in temperature. Was that perfect?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The above shows exactly what some of us are concerned about. You can't even raise any question about global warming without being attacked as some kind of neanderthal and called an ahole. The same thing is happening in academic circles. Many scientists have a choice to make. Raise legitimate questions about global warming and be ridiculed, outcast, have your funding cut off, denied tenure, or stay silent so others can claim there is no disagreement. To your issue about Mars also seeing a rise in temp, I would add this. According to current evidence, there have been 4 major cycles of global warming and cooling going back about 700K years. This is the common graph used to link CO2 with global warming. It's used by Al Gore in his movie. It shows CO2 and the earth's temp rising and falling together. However, it also shows that in every cycle, the temp starts to rise a few hunderd to 1500 years BEFORE CO2 starts to rise. I've yet to hear anyone explain that. Typical response I've seen was from an alleged expert at a major university, who stated that this only shows CO2 isn't responsible for the early part of the rise. Huh? I would submit that if that answer were given to a question in high school science, it wouldn't pass. On the other hand, I've listened to an Ocean Sciences professor at MIT who believes cycles in the output of the Sun is responsible for increased warming of the Earth. The oceans are a major reservoir of CO2 and as they get heated, just like a warming open bottle of soda, they release CO2. And because the oceans are so deep, it takes hundreds of years after the warming starts for the CO2 to increase. Sounds pretty reasonable and it explains the graph, but like others, this guy is dismissed as an ahole heretic by the true believers. |
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dgk wrote:
[....] I love your Y2K joke. I worked my ass off fixing and testing computer systems so they would function properly after 1999. Lots of other people did the same thing. Oh, nothing happened! That's because we worked our asses off making sure that nothing would happen. Money wasted I guess. Asshole. your work on things complex in nature that can not be seen, held or even understood by the vast numbers of people whose lives were indeed effected or altered by your work will always remain unappreciated unaccepted and unacknowledged. it is much the same with the work God Himself has done for all of us. |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:47:43 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:35:21 -0500, "Clark..." wrote: Clark... wrote: I couldn't open my fricken door this morning for crying out loud, (no it was not jammed shut with a 10 inch pine stick) gonna be outside with my trustie 5hp 24inch Craftsman snow blower all fricken day ! takes an hour or two to do the snow here in Southampton, then we are off to Holyoke to clear the rental property, and then to dig out my grandmothers car out , the whole deal is gonna take 5 hours I bet. Al Gore should the hell up, what a moron... Clark... Two things, 1. could you tell my hands were cold and stiff when I typed the above? holy crap... 2. Glad to see some guys in here don't buy into the Global warming thing. but let's add to that, how about California is going to fall into the ocean. the Y2K joke. I worked for a good sized bank at the time and was on one of the many Y2K testing and compliance teams. spotted owls can only live in one kind of tree, then found nesting in a store sign. Clark... Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And anything else. That's a bit of an extreme reaction, isn't it? Just because somebody makes fun of whacko environmental extremists doesn't mean that they think all nature should be burnt down. Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact. Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit it. That's half false. Obviously, global warming occurs. However, nothing approaching a majority of scientists agree that HUMANS are the *main* factor. Nope, the vast majority of scientists are in agreement. They're worried, and that makes me worried. Oh, not personally. We'll all be dead before anything really drastic occurs. Let's wait until the evidence is agreed to 100% before we do anything, even if it's then too late. |
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Right, rip down all the ****ing trees, who cares? Dump more CO2 into
the oceans so they become more acidic and kill off the little beasties that fish eat. Who cares? Well, maybe the folks that eat fish. And anything else. I love your Y2K joke. I worked my ass off fixing and testing computer systems so they would function properly after 1999. Lots of other people did the same thing. Oh, nothing happened! That's because we worked our asses off making sure that nothing would happen. Money wasted I guess. Asshole. Actually, virtually all scientists agree that the world is getting warmer, and almost all agree that human activity is having an impact. Even the lying *******s running our government sort of have to admit it. And yes, California may very well fall into the ocean. That doesn't mean I don't go there sometimes. But sometime in the next few thousand years it is going to have a nasty earthquake. Perhaps you can be there to enjoy it. And for your assertion that there is no global warming because it's snowing outside, global warming means more energy in the atmosphere. That means a more active atmosphere, with more extreme events. Colder colds, hotter hots, deeper snows, heavier rains. Useless to worry about it or try to do something about it, unless you give a shit about our kids and their kids. Lighten up dude. Maybe try switching to decaffeinated. Clark... -- Don't you have Google in your part of the world? |
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On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:40:20 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: wrote: Who determines what the "perfect" global climate is? 10,000 years ago, before cities and electricity, we were in an ice age. Was that the perfect natural climate? 60,000,000 years ago most of the land mass was tropical or sub-tropical in temperature. Was that perfect?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The above shows exactly what some of us are concerned about. You can't even raise any question about global warming without being attacked as some kind of neanderthal and called an ahole. The same thing is happening in academic circles. Many scientists have a choice to make. Raise legitimate questions about global warming and be ridiculed, outcast, have your funding cut off, denied tenure, or stay silent so others can claim there is no disagreement. . . And yet liberals say that conservatives are the ones that don't allow dissenting opintions.... . . To your issue about Mars also seeing a rise in temp, I would add this. According to current evidence, there have been 4 major cycles of global warming and cooling going back about 700K years. This is the common graph used to link CO2 with global warming. It's used by Al Gore in his movie. It shows CO2 and the earth's temp rising and falling together. However, it also shows that in every cycle, the temp starts to rise a few hunderd to 1500 years BEFORE CO2 starts to rise. I've yet to hear anyone explain that. Typical response I've seen was from an alleged expert at a major university, who stated that this only shows CO2 isn't responsible for the early part of the rise. Huh? I would submit that if that answer were given to a question in high school science, it wouldn't pass. I don't remember for sure, but isn't that one of the "factual errors" that the British judge cited when he ordered that Al Gore's movie can be played in British classrooms, but it must be accompanied by a list of things that it gets blatently wrong? On the other hand, I've listened to an Ocean Sciences professor at MIT who believes cycles in the output of the Sun is responsible for increased warming of the Earth. The oceans are a major reservoir of CO2 and as they get heated, just like a warming open bottle of soda, they release CO2. And because the oceans are so deep, it takes hundreds of years after the warming starts for the CO2 to increase. Sounds pretty reasonable and it explains the graph, but like others, this guy is dismissed as an ahole heretic by the true believers. . . In 20 years when we go into another cooling trend, the wackos will forget all about global warming and become worried about all the wildlife that is displaced as they have to migrate south. Before we get into a big debate (which has been done many times by folks far more knowledgeable on these issues than us) I need to know where we are starting from. Do you believe in evolution? Lots of folks don't, so global warming can't be a problem because the world is just the way God wanted it and isn't old enough to have climate shifts. I see a leading Republican contender doesn't believe in evolution. That should scare the shit out of you. "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, that's fine. I'll accept that," he said Friday. "I just don't happen to think that I did." Assuming we agree that evolution happens, are you denying that the earth is getting warmer? Apparently some reputable scientists believe we don't have enough information and that the evidence that we do have is being interpreted incorrectly. If we agree that the earth is getting warmer, is man at least partly responsible? Some scientists seem to thing that humanity is too inconsequential to be causing climate shifts. I look at all the stuff we're dumping into the air, sea, and ground, and think that not only are we altering the weather, we're causing lots of other damage - species extinction, new types of organisms, and such. Many scientists who disagree that man is responsible for all of global warming agree that we're having some impact. Do you believe that the global warming debate is a conspiracy to funnel research funds into the pockets of evil scientists? If so, you might also consider that well funded corporate interests might be paying the bill for some of the scientists that oppose the global warming idea. Finally, do you think that global warming, if it is even occuring, might be a good thing? I sort of lean that way a bit. I think that it's too cold where I live (NYC). I love it here, but surfing is limited by the fact that the ocean is now 43F. That doesn't stop the really dedicated surfers I might point out. My main beach (http://www.surfline.com/reports/report.cfm?id=4270) often has people surfing in the winter. That's why God invented wet suits after all. I admit to enjoying asking right-wingers if they think the opposition is a conspiracy. I'm a firm believer in conspiracies myself. |
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Ok I can see how everyone would be upset with such freezing temps and
snow and ice hitting many of you. BUT this global warming is a fact and there is just no getting away from it. What we are seeing is a direct result of fresh water from ancient glaciers melting pouring this fresh water right into salt water and this is creating a change in the gulf stream. Have any of you see the movie ""The day after tomorrow "" with dennis quaid starring well that movie is based on science fact and in that movie the gulf stream changed its direction and this created wild change of weather and what you are seeing now is a direct result of this sma escience related fact happening. Take note most of the storms such as tornado's and hurricanes are now hitting category 5 status and hurricanes traveling uop the west coast instead of the east coast the usual path and storms heading right into the gulf of mexico storms like katrina these are direct results of changes in the gulf stream, The Polar bears will soon become extinct in the wild foir the ice in which they live is becoming far and few in between. How about the global heat waves that killed so many the last few summers and warm winters in many states where temps are normally below zero. i am from the Catskills of New York and winters there the last five years are considerably warmer some lakes and creeks that used to freeze solid are not any more. France had over a 105 degrees many times this past summer and japn as well and in chicago heat waves killed many and warm winters in many states and in many nations 1 Greenland is actually turning green because the ice is near gone now and whole hunks of glaciers breaking off. pay close attention it is going to get worse yet. Freezing temps and heavy snows in the midwest now are a direct result of the gulf streams changes. Wait till 2012 when the magnetic poles reverse thsat should prove a time to really be coincerned about. if you doubt any of this use google and key word the search and you will find out stuff you would rather have not found out. |
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On Dec 20, 10:06 am, Auto Tech wrote:
Ok I can see how everyone would be upset with such freezing temps and snow and ice hitting many of you. BUT this global warming is a fact and there is just no getting away from it. What we are seeing is a direct result of fresh water from ancient glaciers melting pouring this fresh water right into salt water and this is creating a change in the gulf stream. Have any of you see the movie ""The day after tomorrow "" with dennis quaid starring well that movie is based on science fact and in that movie the gulf stream changed its direction and this created wild change of weather and what you are seeing now is a direct result of this sma escience related fact happening. Take note most of the storms such as tornado's and hurricanes are now hitting category 5 status and hurricanes traveling uop the west coast instead of the east coast the usual path and storms heading right into the gulf of mexico storms like katrina these are direct results of changes in the gulf stream, The Polar bears will soon become extinct in the wild foir the ice in which they live is becoming far and few in between. How about the global heat waves that killed so many the last few summers and warm winters in many states where temps are normally below zero. i am from the Catskills of New York and winters there the last five years are considerably warmer some lakes and creeks that used to freeze solid are not any more. France had over a 105 degrees many times this past summer and japn as well and in chicago heat waves killed many and warm winters in many states and in many nations 1 Greenland is actually turning green because the ice is near gone now and whole hunks of glaciers breaking off. pay close attention it is going to get worse yet. Freezing temps and heavy snows in the midwest now are a direct result of the gulf streams changes. Wait till 2012 when the magnetic poles reverse thsat should prove a time to really be coincerned about. if you doubt any of this use google and key word the search and you will find out stuff you would rather have not found out. Climate change is occuring, but there is definite room for argument as to how much effect humans have had on the changes. Based upon the vast number of major changes in Earth's past history before man was present, this climate change can be a natural phenomenon. There is no reason for concern for the planet - it always recovers from changes, but there are always effects to species living at the time. I view the doomsday concerns of "global warming" with much humor. I think mother nature has a master plan for thinning out the pesky overpopulated human species, and all the whining is from those spoiled humans who don't want to give up their beach condos or run their air conditioners. Red |
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Red wrote: On Dec 20, 10:06 am, Auto Tech wrote: Ok I can see how everyone would be upset with such freezing temps and snow and ice hitting many of you. BUT this global warming is a fact and there is just no getting away from it. What we are seeing is a direct result of fresh water from ancient glaciers melting pouring this fresh water right into salt water and this is creating a change in the gulf stream. Have any of you see the movie ""The day after tomorrow "" with dennis quaid starring well that movie is based on science fact and in that movie the gulf stream changed its direction and this created wild change of weather and what you are seeing now is a direct result of this sma escience related fact happening. Take note most of the storms such as tornado's and hurricanes are now hitting category 5 status and hurricanes traveling uop the west coast instead of the east coast the usual path and storms heading right into the gulf of mexico storms like katrina these are direct results of changes in the gulf stream, The Polar bears will soon become extinct in the wild foir the ice in which they live is becoming far and few in between. How about the global heat waves that killed so many the last few summers and warm winters in many states where temps are normally below zero. i am from the Catskills of New York and winters there the last five years are considerably warmer some lakes and creeks that used to freeze solid are not any more. France had over a 105 degrees many times this past summer and japn as well and in chicago heat waves killed many and warm winters in many states and in many nations 1 Greenland is actually turning green because the ice is near gone now and whole hunks of glaciers breaking off. pay close attention it is going to get worse yet. Freezing temps and heavy snows in the midwest now are a direct result of the gulf streams changes. Wait till 2012 when the magnetic poles reverse thsat should prove a time to really be coincerned about. if you doubt any of this use google and key word the search and you will find out stuff you would rather have not found out. Climate change is occuring, but there is definite room for argument as to how much effect humans have had on the changes. Based upon the vast number of major changes in Earth's past history before man was present, this climate change can be a natural phenomenon. There is no reason for concern for the planet Before you relax in you complacency, I think you should check on the rate of change during the "vast number of major changes in Earth's past history." I think you will find that never before has the rate of change been this large. Before you become complacent you should determine how many billions, trillions, quadrillions, or more tons of carbon have been extracted from the planet during the past 100 years in the form of oil, coal, natural gas, etc and burned with the carbon dioxide dumped in the atmosphere. That has never happened before. There is no basis of comparison. - it always recovers from changes, but there are always effects to species living at the time. I view the doomsday concerns of "global warming" with much humor. I think mother nature has a master plan for thinning out the pesky overpopulated human species, and all the whining is from those spoiled humans who don't want to give up their beach condos or run their air conditioners. Red |
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Ryan P. wrote: ecarecar wrote: Before you relax in you complacency, I think you should check on the rate of change during the "vast number of major changes in Earth's past history." I think you will find that never before has the rate of change been this large. . . Okay, I did a bit of research. It seems that just after the end of the last major ice age, 12,000 years ago (before modern civilzation), the global temperature jumped by about 14 degrees (F) in just a few decades. This article: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04k.html Cites several other examples of rapid climate change. Two particularly interesting paragraphs: ""Technically, an abrupt climate change occurs when the climate system is forced to cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate determined by the climate system itself and faSter than the cause," according to a definition developed by the National Research Council. Abrupt change needs a trigger, an amplifier -- some mechanism to have the trigger affect a large area -- and a source of persistence. It turns out lots of triggers have been identified, for example, an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as is occurring now."" If someone claims that there was a temperature increase of "14 degrees (F) in just a few decades" some time in the past, they certainly can't claim it was caused by loading the atmosphere with carbon dioxide in just a few decades. It is not comparable. |
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"Ryan P." wrote in message
... ecarecar wrote: Before you relax in you complacency, I think you should check on the rate of change during the "vast number of major changes in Earth's past history." I think you will find that never before has the rate of change been this large. . . Okay, I did a bit of research. It seems that just after the end of the last major ice age, 12,000 years ago (before modern civilzation), the global temperature jumped by about 14 degrees (F) in just a few decades. This article: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04k.html Cites several other examples of rapid climate change. Two particularly interesting paragraphs: ""Technically, an abrupt climate change occurs when the climate system is forced to cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate determined by the climate system itself and faSter than the cause," according to a definition developed by the National Research Council. Abrupt change needs a trigger, an amplifier -- some mechanism to have the trigger affect a large area -- and a source of persistence. It turns out lots of triggers have been identified, for example, an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as is occurring now."" Yep. One trigger I've seen brought forth regarding the end of dinosaurs is CO2 related. Seems not only did some major comet or meteoroid strike, but was also the ignition agent of the many trees that lay dead. Kinda like burning alot of coal or oil derivative. Dave |
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On Dec 20, 10:11*am, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: Before we get into a big debate (which has been done many times by folks far more knowledgeable on these issues than us) I need to know where we are starting from. . . * Debates are fun, as long as we keep them civil. *:) *Unfortunately, many people result to name-calling and slander rather than attempting to actually debate! . . Do you believe in evolution? Lots of folks don't, so global warming can't be a problem because the world is just the way God wanted it and isn't old enough to have climate shifts. I see a leading Republican contender doesn't believe in evolution. That should scare the shit out of you. "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, that's fine. I'll accept that," he said Friday. "I just don't happen to think that I did." . . * I am a Christian, so I do believe that God creates everything... However, I am more in the camp of "guided evolution." *Who are we to say that God snapped his fingers and POOF here we were? *I have read many Christian and Jewish leaders who believe in evolution. *Why couldn't God's plan be for species to adapt to the environment so they can thrive? *And since, as a Christian, I believe in Free Will, if we choose to screw things up, that's our own problem. * The evidence is far too plentiful. *Of course evolution happens. *To flatly deny it is silly. *The mechanics are a matter of faith though... If one truely believes God is all-powerful, then there's no reason to use science to understand the process. God is indeed all powerfull and is in control and like you I am Christian and have to say we are not going to be able to correct this no matter what we may try Gods is oin control and we are aloing for the ride.God does indeed give us free will and lets us as you oput it screw up. I and my family believe in Gods devine creation and do not believe in anyway that my ancestors were apes. . . Assuming we agree that evolution happens, are you denying that the earth is getting warmer? Apparently some reputable scientists believe we don't have enough information and that the evidence that we do have is being interpreted incorrectly. It is possible you are right I cannot debate you on this point and am in agreement . . * The earth gets warmer, and it gets cooler. *Its a cyclical process. Since 1930, the average global temperature is about .7 degrees (Celcius) warmer than it was. *A few hundred years earlier, colonies in Greenland were being frozen out of existence. . . If we agree that the earth is getting warmer, is man at least partly responsible? Some scientists seem to thing that humanity is too inconsequential to be causing climate shifts. I look at all the stuff we're dumping into the air, sea, and ground, and think that not only are we altering the weather, we're causing lots of other damage - species extinction, new types of organisms, and such. Many scientists who disagree that man is responsible for all of global warming agree that we're having some impact. . . * Of course man is partially responsible. *To think otherwise is stupid. * * * On the other hand, the Sahara desert has been expanding for thousands of years. *You can't tell me the ancient Egyptians were pumping more pollutants into the air than natural forest fires around the globe. . . Do you believe that the global warming debate is a conspiracy to funnel research funds into the pockets of evil scientists? If so, you might also consider that well funded corporate interests might be paying the bill for some of the scientists that oppose the global warming idea. . . * A conspiracy? *No. *A histerical reaction? *Yes. *Some corporate greed? *Yes. *How much money that goes towards "carbon credits" is going to line Al Gore's investment portfolio? *If human-generated carbon is so horrible, shouldn't the spokesperson for global warming be reducing his consumption at the same time as investing in "green" technology? Al Gore, Now there is a man who scares the hell out of me. he is a dangerous man putting out climate related movies and years ago headed a move to crush all antique and classic cars on the platform of air polution. he is more influential than Ralph Nader and that is bad. I do believe in conspiracies we see it all the time just look at the pack of records the administration recently lost ""how conveniant"" If Al Gore ever gets into office it will be far worse than if Hillary gets in because we all will have to come up with nearly a 100,000 dollars to buy new technology cars and lawn equipment and anything with an engine on it because he will make federal mandates to grab all of our current cars and equipment under federal emmission laws. He was in Califoprnia when he got a law passed which cost one car collector his collection of antique corvairs all but one met the crusher before a federal judge stopped him and threw the new law out. he is a dangerous man and is only for the very rich and elite. his own mansion was a heavy polluter untill only a short time ago when he came under critisism and paid mega bucks to make it as they put it green friendly. he is a dangerous man. . . Finally, do you think that global warming, if it is even occuring, might be a good thing? I sort of lean that way a bit. I think that it's too cold where I live (NYC). I love it here, but surfing is limited by the fact that the ocean is now 43F. That doesn't stop the really dedicated surfers I might point out. My main beach (http://www.surfline.com/reports/report.cfm?id=4270) often has people surfing in the winter. That's why God invented wet suits after all. . . * Actually, there are climatologists that say humans as a whole would benefit from warmer climates because more people die of cold-related problems than heat-related problems! * Unfortunately, the last two years, the global temperature has been a bit cooler. *In fact, the Antarctic ice caps have been steadily expanding for MANY years in most areas, and polar bear populations have exploded. * I say you should invest in companies that make ski equipment! *lol . . I admit to enjoying asking right-wingers if they think the opposition is a conspiracy. I'm a firm believer in conspiracies myself. . . * Some conspiracies are fun to believe in! AND are a fact as well. |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:19:19 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: That's half false. Obviously, global warming occurs. However, nothing approaching a majority of scientists agree that HUMANS are the *main* factor. Nope, the vast majority of scientists are in agreement. They're worried, and that makes me worried. Oh, not personally. We'll all be dead before anything really drastic occurs. Let's wait until the evidence is agreed to 100% before we do anything, even if it's then too late. . . Actually, I'll meet you half way. From the reading I've done, scientific organizations generally agree on the issue. However, there are a GREAT number of individual scientists who disagree. And a staggering number of Americans believe the sun rotates around the earth. Actually, even one is too many. I'm suspicious of any issue when scientific groups start using references to work done by each other to prove their point instead of actually conducting their OWN research. Its like saying "My brother has this friend who's uncle's boss's nephew's girlfriend's dad knew a guy who saw a woman spontaneously burst into flames!" I think you're wrong and I think the organizations are right. I think human activity is having a huge effect on weather and other conditions on Earth. Everyone has an impact and I do what I can to minimize that impact. I'm no saint though. I own an old car, eat meat, and so on. But I also commute by bike whenever possible and do what I can to improve the environment. I think that's what we should be doing. We use too much of the world's resources (Americans in particular). I have not, as yet, bought a big plasma (very high electric usage I hear) TV, but my resistance is eroding. The Superbowl is fast approaching. |
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:11:11 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: Before we get into a big debate (which has been done many times by folks far more knowledgeable on these issues than us) I need to know where we are starting from. . . Debates are fun, as long as we keep them civil. :) Unfortunately, many people result to name-calling and slander rather than attempting to actually debate! . . Do you believe in evolution? Lots of folks don't, so global warming can't be a problem because the world is just the way God wanted it and isn't old enough to have climate shifts. I see a leading Republican contender doesn't believe in evolution. That should scare the shit out of you. "If you want to believe that you and your family came from apes, that's fine. I'll accept that," he said Friday. "I just don't happen to think that I did." . . I am a Christian, so I do believe that God creates everything... However, I am more in the camp of "guided evolution." Who are we to say that God snapped his fingers and POOF here we were? I have read many Christian and Jewish leaders who believe in evolution. Why couldn't God's plan be for species to adapt to the environment so they can thrive? And since, as a Christian, I believe in Free Will, if we choose to screw things up, that's our own problem. The evidence is far too plentiful. Of course evolution happens. To flatly deny it is silly. The mechanics are a matter of faith though... If one truely believes God is all-powerful, then there's no reason to use science to understand the process. But plenty of folks (apparently including Huckabee) think otherwise. I'm agnostic. We're here and something created the universe, but it's something so far beyond my understanding that it is, for all practical purposes, God. I've long thought of the earth as some grade school God's science project. I think he/she/it is going to get a poor grade. .... If we agree that the earth is getting warmer, is man at least partly responsible? Some scientists seem to thing that humanity is too inconsequential to be causing climate shifts. I look at all the stuff we're dumping into the air, sea, and ground, and think that not only are we altering the weather, we're causing lots of other damage - species extinction, new types of organisms, and such. Many scientists who disagree that man is responsible for all of global warming agree that we're having some impact. . . Of course man is partially responsible. To think otherwise is stupid. On the other hand, the Sahara desert has been expanding for thousands of years. You can't tell me the ancient Egyptians were pumping more pollutants into the air than natural forest fires around the globe. ..1% or 40% or 70%? . Do you believe that the global warming debate is a conspiracy to funnel research funds into the pockets of evil scientists? If so, you might also consider that well funded corporate interests might be paying the bill for some of the scientists that oppose the global warming idea. . . A conspiracy? No. A histerical reaction? Yes. Some corporate greed? Yes. How much money that goes towards "carbon credits" is going to line Al Gore's investment portfolio? If human-generated carbon is so horrible, shouldn't the spokesperson for global warming be reducing his consumption at the same time as investing in "green" technology? So you think Gore is doing his thing for profit? I don't. Perhaps he's wrong (I think not obviously) , but he is sincere. I think the profits that are being made polluting the world fund campaigns that might limit those profits. .... Actually, there are climatologists that say humans as a whole would benefit from warmer climates because more people die of cold-related problems than heat-related problems! Unfortunately, the last two years, the global temperature has been a bit cooler. In fact, the Antarctic ice caps have been steadily expanding for MANY years in most areas, and polar bear populations have exploded. Do you have a cite for that? I see this: http://www.polarbearsinternational.org/bear-facts/ And this seems to suggest the opposite on Antarctic Ice caps: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4228411.stm |
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On Dec 20, 11:59*pm, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
"Ryan P." wrote in message ... ecarecar wrote: Before you relax in you complacency, I think you should check on the rate of change during the "vast number of major changes in Earth's past history." *I think you will find that never before has the rate of change been this large. . . *Okay, I did a bit of research. *It seems that just after the end of the last major ice age, 12,000 years ago (before modern civilzation), the global temperature jumped by about 14 degrees (F) in just a few decades. This article: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04k.html *Cites several other examples of rapid climate change. *Two particularly interesting paragraphs: *""Technically, an abrupt climate change occurs when the climate system is forced to cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate determined by the climate system itself and faSter than the cause," according to a definition developed by the National Research Council. Abrupt change needs a trigger, an amplifier -- some mechanism to have the trigger affect a large area -- and a source of persistence. It turns out lots of triggers have been identified, for example, an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as is occurring now."" Yep. *One trigger I've seen brought forth regarding the end of dinosaurs is CO2 related. *Seems not only did some major comet or meteoroid strike, but was also the ignition agent of the many trees that lay dead. *Kinda like burning alot of coal or oil derivative. Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Also preceeding the dinosaur period. The earth had gone thru a huge global warming period from excess CO2, probably from eruptions as the tectonic plates moved. Probably no polar caps on earth. The CO2 then broke down and the earth had a rich abundance of oxygen which fed the muscles of the dinosaurs and resulted in their huge size. Thus the earth will always heal itself although life changes occur. Why does man think he will be here forever when history proves otherwise? Red |
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Red wrote: On Dec 20, 11:59 pm, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: "Ryan P." wrote in message .. . ecarecar wrote: Before you relax in you complacency, I think you should check on the rate of change during the "vast number of major changes in Earth's past history." I think you will find that never before has the rate of change been this large. . . Okay, I did a bit of research. It seems that just after the end of the last major ice age, 12,000 years ago (before modern civilzation), the global temperature jumped by about 14 degrees (F) in just a few decades. This article: http://www.spacedaily.com/news/climate-04k.html Cites several other examples of rapid climate change. Two particularly interesting paragraphs: ""Technically, an abrupt climate change occurs when the climate system is forced to cross some threshold, triggering a transition to a new state at a rate determined by the climate system itself and faSter than the cause," according to a definition developed by the National Research Council. Abrupt change needs a trigger, an amplifier -- some mechanism to have the trigger affect a large area -- and a source of persistence. It turns out lots of triggers have been identified, for example, an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as is occurring now."" Yep. One trigger I've seen brought forth regarding the end of dinosaurs is CO2 related. Seems not only did some major comet or meteoroid strike, but was also the ignition agent of the many trees that lay dead. Kinda like burning alot of coal or oil derivative. Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Also preceeding the dinosaur period. The earth had gone thru a huge global warming period from excess CO2, probably from eruptions as the tectonic plates moved. Probably no polar caps on earth. The CO2 then broke down and the earth had a rich abundance of oxygen which fed the The CO2 then broke down?? How did that happen? muscles of the dinosaurs and resulted in their huge size. Thus the earth will always heal itself although life changes occur. Why does man think he will be here forever when history proves otherwise? Red |
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On Dec 21, 6:49*pm, "Ryan P."
wrote: ecarecar wrote: The CO2 then broke down?? How did that happen? . . * Photosynthesis is one good example. Correct. Plants intake CO2, absorb the carbon, and exhale the oxygen. The very warm weather produced an abundance of plant life, with few animals in the food chain to eat them. The bigger the plants grew, the more photosynthesis for conversion of CO2 to O. |
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Red wrote:
On Dec 21, 6:49 pm, "Ryan P." wrote: ecarecar wrote: The CO2 then broke down?? How did that happen? . . Photosynthesis is one good example. Correct. Plants intake CO2, absorb the carbon, and exhale the oxygen. The very warm weather produced an abundance of plant life, with few animals in the food chain to eat them. The bigger the plants grew, the more photosynthesis for conversion of CO2 to O. That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) |
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On Dec 23, 9:13*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. *(Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red |
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"ecarecar" wrote in message et... Red wrote: On Dec 21, 6:49 pm, "Ryan P." wrote: ecarecar wrote: The CO2 then broke down?? How did that happen? . . Photosynthesis is one good example. Correct. Plants intake CO2, absorb the carbon, and exhale the oxygen. The very warm weather produced an abundance of plant life, with few animals in the food chain to eat them. The bigger the plants grew, the more photosynthesis for conversion of CO2 to O. That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Steve |
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Red wrote:
On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red The discussion seems to have been edited somewhat. Perhaps some learning has been imparted. Learning is good. But, on to the important part of the discussion, clearly, it is ecarecar who is the smart one. As Red has pointed out, carbon dioxide is "captured and modified." The oxygen product of photosynthesis does not come from carbon dioxide but, rather, from water where hydrogen is separated from oxygen. |
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"Red" wrote in message ... On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red the thread went something like: plants take in CO2 and put out Oxygen ............. no it doesn't ................ yes, it does ................ no it doesn't ............ you're an idiot .............. no, you're an idiot ............... So, I just looked it up in Google, and the formula I saw definitely showed C)2 + XXXX = O2 + XXXX Steve |
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On Dec 24, 8:08*am, ecarecar wrote:
Red wrote: On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. *(Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red The discussion seems to have been edited somewhat. * Perhaps some learning has been imparted. *Learning is good. But, on to the important part of the discussion, clearly, it is ecarecar who is the smart one. As Red has pointed out, carbon dioxide is "captured and modified." *The oxygen product of photosynthesis does not come from carbon dioxide but, rather, from water where hydrogen is separated from oxygen. I still say you're wrong. Here's my last attempt to prove it. The formula for the chemical process of photosynthesis is: 6 H2O + 6 CO2 ---------- C6 H12 O6 + 6 O2 In otherwords, the plant takes in 6 parts water and 6 parts CO2. It converts it into sap, 6 parts C (from the C02), 12 parts H (6xH2), and 6 parts O (from the H2O). That leaves 6 parts O2 (from the CO2) excess to be released back into the atmosphere. You can argue all you want where the sap's O6 comes from, but the end result is that the plant takes CO2 from the air, uses the C, and releases back to the atmosphere an equal amount of O2 that it took in. That was my initial comment and you have done nothing to disprove it. Red |
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On Dec 24, 4:24*pm, Lar wrote:
SteveB wrote: "Red" wrote in message ... On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red the thread went something like: plants take in CO2 and put out Oxygen ............. no it doesn't ................ yes, it does ................ no it doesn't ............ you're an idiot .............. no, you're an idiot ............... So, I just looked it up in Google, and the formula I saw definitely showed C)2 + XXXX = O2 + XXXX Steve Can hardly wait for the turn of the discussion being how much CO2 is created by trees at night and in the winter time....popping corn now. Lar- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Probably not near as much as was created by all the wildfires we had this summer. |
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"Lar" wrote in message ... SteveB wrote: "Red" wrote in message ... On Dec 23, 9:13 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "ecarecar" wrote in message That is wrong; it is NOT correct. The oxygen produced in photosynthesis comes from water which is split into hydrogen and oxygen. (Ref. any college - or probably high school - biology book) Or go to this site on Google and find out how stupid you truly a http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/...BioBookPS.html HTH, but I doubt it. Not sure from your comment which one of us you think is stupid, but your link points to ecarecar. Quoted from your referenced link: The Carbon Cycle Plants may be viewed as carbon sinks, removing carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE and oceans by fixing it into organic chemicals. two steps in the photosynthesis process: In the Light Independent Process, carbon dioxide FROM THE ATMOSPHERE (or water for aquatic/marine organisms) is captured and modified by the addition of Hydrogen to form carbohydrates The raw materials of photosynthesis, water and carbon dioxide, enter the cells of the leaf, and the products of photosynthesis, sugar AND OXYGEN, leave the leaf. Carbon dioxide cannot pass through the protective waxy layer covering the leaf (cuticle), but it can enter the leaf through an opening (the stoma) flanked by two guard cells. Likewise, OXYGEN PRODUCED BY PHOTOSYNTHESIS can only pass out of the leaf through the opened stomata. Red the thread went something like: plants take in CO2 and put out Oxygen ............. no it doesn't ................ yes, it does ................ no it doesn't ............ you're an idiot .............. no, you're an idiot ............... So, I just looked it up in Google, and the formula I saw definitely showed C)2 + XXXX = O2 + XXXX Steve Can hardly wait for the turn of the discussion being how much CO2 is created by trees at night and in the winter time....popping corn now. Lar Sorry, you have to ask Al about that. Steve |
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:49:22 -0600, "Ryan P."
wrote: dgk wrote: .... . I have not, as yet, bought a big plasma (very high electric usage I hear) TV, but my resistance is eroding. The Superbowl is fast approaching. . . I suggest a big screen LCD. Much less power consumption, for one. I think the picture is better, and you can actually touch them without burning your hand! Is that correct? It's hard to find info on which uses less electricity. I know that plasmas are very hot, but I've read that LCDs also are hot enough to cook on. Bu then, I have no idea how much my current CRT model uses. That gets hot also. |
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On Dec 18, 6:45*am, "Bob" wrote:
Question: * The surface of Mars is also warming. *Doesn't it seem odd that mankind is changing the climate on another planet? Yeah, and I flipped a quarter a dozen times yesterday, and half of them came up heads! I think that quarter must be rigged. |
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