A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent.
A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves
and grass cuttings is the common beer.
Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water.
They are highly biodegradable, so one person's recipe in terms of amount
related to water may differ much from anothers. So, its difficult to make a
mistake that will genuinely adversely affect the plants and trees.

Not related to the issue at hand:
Typical agent to aid nitrogen level is common household ammonia.
Typical agent for fending off insects is chewing tobacco immersed in a nylon
stocking for 24 hours or more in warm area. The resulting liquid is placed
in the hose sprayer, not the wetted tobbaco itself.

If you don't want to accelerate the process, place leaves and grass cuttings
in a small circular fence area and stack it. Takes about a year, keep it
moist, not wet. When its "cooked" put it where you want. Don't put your
gold at curbside for trash pickup.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.
"Keith Corwell" wrote in message
...
Tell me more about the "TEAS" I always have just mulched up the leaves and
let them lay.


"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
m...
"willshak" wrote in message
m...
If no scientific study available, which is better in your experience or
opinion?
Raking all the leaves off the lawn before winter, or leaving the leaves
where they fell, and under a blanket of snow (see sig for location). If
left on the lawn where they fell, would the nutrients be better
released
by melting snow, and also provide a smidgen of insulation for the
ground?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. There are a
few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer
bottle.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.

On Nov 1, 9:11*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent.
A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves
and grass cuttings is the common beer.

I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual
testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that
spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any
difference in the lawn. What exactly in beer is going to promote
this miracle effect? I'm betting this is another urban legend,
often repeated, but without basis. I'd love to see this tested on
Mythbusters.

The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff
using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. Hmmm, they
usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which
immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question.







Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water.

Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. Just that its there to try. A
respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my
head. Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want
demanding evidence of their actual workability. See my first sentence
here...

I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. Its whole and
entirety was about such "teas". Did not know that from title of the DVD
prior to renting same. I did watch both in boredom. I don't remember the
amounts for dilution. I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener"
stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master
gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said
product. Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated.

I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. Try it.

Here is the "master gardener" noted above:
http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50

In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:
http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html

Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast
prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. That is, if their
premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.
wrote in message
...
On Nov 1, 9:11 am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent.
A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like
leaves
and grass cuttings is the common beer.

I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual
testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that
spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any
difference in the lawn. What exactly in beer is going to promote
this miracle effect? I'm betting this is another urban legend,
often repeated, but without basis. I'd love to see this tested on
Mythbusters.

The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff
using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. Hmmm, they
usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which
immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question.







Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to
water.

Why am I not surprised?

They are highly biodegradable, so one person's recipe in terms of amount
related to water may differ much from anothers. So, its difficult to make
a
mistake that will genuinely adversely affect the plants and trees.

Lawn cuttings are also highly biodegradable by themselves.




Not related to the issue at hand:
Typical agent to aid nitrogen level is common household ammonia.
Typical agent for fending off insects is chewing tobacco immersed in a
nylon
stocking for 24 hours or more in warm area. The resulting liquid is placed
in the hose sprayer, not the wetted tobbaco itself.

If you don't want to accelerate the process, place leaves and grass
cuttings
in a small circular fence area and stack it. Takes about a year, keep it
moist, not wet. When its "cooked" put it where you want. Don't put your
gold at curbside for trash pickup.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe."Keith Corwell" wrote in message

...



Tell me more about the "TEAS" I always have just mulched up the leaves
and
let them lay.

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
om...
"willshak" wrote in message
news:UradncEQJreU4ZXUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@supernews. com...
If no scientific study available, which is better in your experience
or
opinion?
Raking all the leaves off the lawn before winter, or leaving the
leaves
where they fell, and under a blanket of snow (see sig for location).
If
left on the lawn where they fell, would the nutrients be better
released
by melting snow, and also provide a smidgen of insulation for the
ground?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent
and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. There are a
few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer
bottle.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A
respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my
head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want
demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence
here...


This is exactly what you posted:

"After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent
and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. There are
a few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose
sprayer
bottle. "


Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that
tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. Any reasonable reader here would
take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by
you to work. It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he
needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw
because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct
knowledge of the subject. How useful is that?




I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and
entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD
prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the
amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener"
stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master
gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said
product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated.

I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it.

Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50

In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html

Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast
prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their
premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real.
--
Dave


You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted
to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? And that most
beer is pasteurized? Certainly all the common brands that a person
would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". So, goodbye
yeast. And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these
geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even
know what beer is.

On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote:
On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A
respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my
head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want
demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence
here...

This is exactly what you posted:

"After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent
and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are
a few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose
sprayer
bottle. "

Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that
tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would
take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by
you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he
needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw
because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct
knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that?







I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and
entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD
prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the
amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener"
stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master
gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said
product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated.

I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it.

Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home..php?cat=50

In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html

Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast
prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their
premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real.
--
Dave

You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted
to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most
beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person
would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye
yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these
geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even
know what beer is.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left by the yeast,
dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not
entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to
get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy
bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost.

On Nov 4, 11:43*am, z wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote:





On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A
respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my
head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want
demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence
here...

This is exactly what you posted:

"After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent
and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are
a few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose
sprayer
bottle. "

Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that
tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would
take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by
you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he
needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw
because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct
knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that?

I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and
entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD
prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the
amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener"
stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master
gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said
product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated.

I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it.

Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50

In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html

Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast
prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their
premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real.
--
Dave

You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted
to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most
beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person
would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye
yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these
geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even
know what beer is.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left *by the yeast,
dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not
entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to
get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy
bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And after you take a 6 pack and distribute it across half an acre, how
much of those nutrients are available per square foot? And what
impact does that negligible amount of beer have compared to everything
else that is there? How about the fact that alcohol kills
bacteria? Get a grip.

On Nov 4, 1:10*pm, wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:43*am, z wrote:





On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote:

On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A
respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my
head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want
demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence
here...

This is exactly what you posted:

"After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent
and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are
a few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose
sprayer
bottle. "

Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that
tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would
take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by
you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he
needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw
because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct
knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that?

I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and
entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD
prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the
amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener"
stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master
gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said
product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated.

I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it.

Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50

In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html

Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast
prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their
premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real.
--
Dave

You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted
to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most
beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person
would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye
yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these
geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even
know what beer is.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left *by the yeast,
dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not
entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to
get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy
bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And after you take a 6 pack and distribute it across half an acre, how
much of those nutrients are available per square foot? *And what
impact does that negligible amount of beer have compared to everything
else that is there? * *How about the fact that alcohol kills
bacteria? * *Get a grip.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

you're probably better off drinking the beer and peeing into the
compost. lots of urea to feed the little beasts.

On Nov 3, 8:28*am, wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:11*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:

A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent..
A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves
and grass cuttings is the common beer.

I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual
testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that
spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any
difference in the lawn. * What exactly in beer is going to promote
this miracle effect? * *I'm betting this is another urban legend,
often repeated, but without basis. * I'd love to see this tested on
Mythbusters.

The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff
using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. * Hmmm, they
usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which
immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question.

Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water.

Why am I not surprised?

They are highly biodegradable, so one person's recipe in terms of amount
related to water may differ much from anothers. *So, its difficult to make a
mistake that will genuinely adversely affect the plants and trees.

Lawn cuttings are also highly biodegradable by themselves.





Not related to the issue at hand:
Typical agent to aid nitrogen level is common household ammonia.
Typical agent for fending off insects is chewing tobacco immersed in a nylon
stocking for 24 hours or more in warm area. *The resulting liquid is placed
in the hose sprayer, not the wetted tobbaco itself.

If you don't want to accelerate the process, place leaves and grass cuttings
in a small circular fence area and stack it. *Takes about a year, keep it
moist, not wet. *When its "cooked" put it where you want. *Don't put your
gold at curbside for trash pickup.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe."Keith Corwell" wrote in message

...

Tell me more about the "TEAS" I always have just mulched up the leaves and
let them lay.

"Dioclese" NONE wrote in message
om...
"willshak" wrote in message
news:UradncEQJreU4ZXUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@supernews. com...
If no scientific study available, which is better in your experience or
opinion?
Raking all the leaves off the lawn before winter, or leaving the leaves
where they fell, and under a blanket of snow (see sig for location). If
left on the lawn where they fell, would the nutrients be better
released
by melting snow, and also provide a smidgen of insulation for the
ground?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and
something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are a
few
"teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer
bottle.
--
Dave

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not
a cantaloupe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

i bought a bag of compost starter from gardens alive when i fired up
the first compost pile, although i wasn't absolutely sure i needed it,
but since then i rely on the remains of the former compost to
inoculate the new compost. kind of like sourdough. for one thing, i
figure the mix of organisms will tailor itself to my precise
conditions. (how can you tell i used to be a microbiologist?)