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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 1, 9:11*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent. A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves and grass cuttings is the common beer. I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any difference in the lawn. What exactly in beer is going to promote this miracle effect? I'm betting this is another urban legend, often repeated, but without basis. I'd love to see this tested on Mythbusters. The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. Hmmm, they usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question. Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water. |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of
"teas" for application to the lawn. Just that its there to try. A respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my head. Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want demanding evidence of their actual workability. See my first sentence here... I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. Its whole and entirety was about such "teas". Did not know that from title of the DVD prior to renting same. I did watch both in boredom. I don't remember the amounts for dilution. I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener" stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said product. Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated. I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. Try it. Here is the "master gardener" noted above: http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50 In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing: http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. That is, if their premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. wrote in message ... On Nov 1, 9:11 am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent. A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves and grass cuttings is the common beer. I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any difference in the lawn. What exactly in beer is going to promote this miracle effect? I'm betting this is another urban legend, often repeated, but without basis. I'd love to see this tested on Mythbusters. The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. Hmmm, they usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question. Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water. Why am I not surprised? They are highly biodegradable, so one person's recipe in terms of amount related to water may differ much from anothers. So, its difficult to make a mistake that will genuinely adversely affect the plants and trees. Lawn cuttings are also highly biodegradable by themselves. Not related to the issue at hand: Typical agent to aid nitrogen level is common household ammonia. Typical agent for fending off insects is chewing tobacco immersed in a nylon stocking for 24 hours or more in warm area. The resulting liquid is placed in the hose sprayer, not the wetted tobbaco itself. If you don't want to accelerate the process, place leaves and grass cuttings in a small circular fence area and stack it. Takes about a year, keep it moist, not wet. When its "cooked" put it where you want. Don't put your gold at curbside for trash pickup. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe."Keith Corwell" wrote in message ... Tell me more about the "TEAS" I always have just mulched up the leaves and let them lay. "Dioclese" NONE wrote in message om... "willshak" wrote in message news:UradncEQJreU4ZXUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@supernews. com... If no scientific study available, which is better in your experience or opinion? Raking all the leaves off the lawn before winter, or leaving the leaves where they fell, and under a blanket of snow (see sig for location). If left on the lawn where they fell, would the nutrients be better released by melting snow, and also provide a smidgen of insulation for the ground? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote:
Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of "teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence here... This is exactly what you posted: "After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. " Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. Any reasonable reader here would take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by you to work. It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct knowledge of the subject. How useful is that? I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener" stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated. I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it. Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50 In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real. -- Dave You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? And that most beer is pasteurized? Certainly all the common brands that a person would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". So, goodbye yeast. And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even know what beer is. |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote:
On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of "teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence here... This is exactly what you posted: "After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. " Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that? I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener" stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated. I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it. Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home..php?cat=50 In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real. -- Dave You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even know what beer is.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left by the yeast, dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost. |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 4, 11:43*am, z wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote: On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of "teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence here... This is exactly what you posted: "After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. " Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that? I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener" stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated. I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it. Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50 In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real. -- Dave You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even know what beer is.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left *by the yeast, dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And after you take a 6 pack and distribute it across half an acre, how much of those nutrients are available per square foot? And what impact does that negligible amount of beer have compared to everything else that is there? How about the fact that alcohol kills bacteria? Get a grip. |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 4, 1:10*pm, wrote:
On Nov 4, 11:43*am, z wrote: On Nov 3, 11:21*am, wrote: On Nov 3, 10:26*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: Never indicated in any shape, fashion or form that I subscribe to making of "teas" for application to the lawn. *Just that its there to try. *A respondent wanted more information, I said want I knew off the top of my head. *Then, you jump in and make all these negatives, of which you want demanding evidence of their actual workability. *See my first sentence here... This is exactly what you posted: "After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. " Now excuse me, but that doesn't sound like "I heard somewhere that tea, beer, whatever MIGHT work. * Any reasonable reader here would take that statement as recommending teas as a lawn procedure known by you to work. *It's sort of like a guy asking what underlayment he needs for a new tile floor and you responding with "You can use straw because that's the extent of your limited familiarity and direct knowledge of the subject. * How useful is that? I did rent a 2 DVDs from netflix regarding gardening. *Its whole and entirety was about such "teas". *Did not know that from title of the DVD prior to renting same. *I did watch both in boredom. *I don't remember the amounts for dilution. *I do remember this self proclaimed "master gardener" stating amounts of said product, then in the video showing said "master gardener" measuring the product in an obviously another amount of said product. *Sometimes, twice as much as orally stated. I Googled for "lawn", "beer", and "tea" in same search. *Try it. Here is the "master gardener" noted above:http://www.dptvmedia.org/home.php?cat=50 In fairness, here's an opposing opinon about the beer thing:http://www.homeabc.net/Garden-Landsc...Landscape.html Seems to me it would be more prudent economically to incorporate some yeast prediluted in warm water via hose sprayer, than beer. *That is, if their premise of the yeast in the beer aiding leaf eating bacteria is real. -- Dave You do realize that most yeast in beer dies as the carbs are converted to alcohol and depleted and the alcohol level rises? * And that most beer is pasteurized? * Certainly all the common brands that a person would likely grab when the recipe just says "beer". * So, goodbye yeast. *And you'd have to question the basic knowledge of these geniuses recommending crap like this, when they obviously don't even know what beer is.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i think the assumption would be that the nutrients left *by the yeast, dead or alive, would be helpful to the bacteria, mold, etc. i'm not entirely sure, though, that that's helpful; after all, the goal is to get the compost digested by the bacteria, not to raise healthy bacteria because they don't have to eat the compost.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And after you take a 6 pack and distribute it across half an acre, how much of those nutrients are available per square foot? *And what impact does that negligible amount of beer have compared to everything else that is there? * *How about the fact that alcohol kills bacteria? * *Get a grip.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - you're probably better off drinking the beer and peeing into the compost. lots of urea to feed the little beasts. |
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Which is better for the lawn over the winter?
On Nov 3, 8:28*am, wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:11*am, "Dioclese" NONE wrote: A typical wetting agent is common dishwashing (manual) liquid detergent.. A typical agent for aiding "good" bacteria that eats lawn refuse like leaves and grass cuttings is the common beer. I'd like to see any credible authority that has done any actual testing or at least offers a scientific explanation for the idea that spreading beer around a lawn is going to aid good bacteria or make any difference in the lawn. * What exactly in beer is going to promote this miracle effect? * *I'm betting this is another urban legend, often repeated, but without basis. * I'd love to see this tested on Mythbusters. The typical nonsense says to mix up a gallon or two of this stuff using a couple beers, then says to spray it on the lawn. * Hmmm, they usually fail to mention anything about the application rate, which immediately brings their knowledge base into serious question. Teas are not an exact science of mixtures and percentages related to water. Why am I not surprised? They are highly biodegradable, so one person's recipe in terms of amount related to water may differ much from anothers. *So, its difficult to make a mistake that will genuinely adversely affect the plants and trees. Lawn cuttings are also highly biodegradable by themselves. Not related to the issue at hand: Typical agent to aid nitrogen level is common household ammonia. Typical agent for fending off insects is chewing tobacco immersed in a nylon stocking for 24 hours or more in warm area. *The resulting liquid is placed in the hose sprayer, not the wetted tobbaco itself. If you don't want to accelerate the process, place leaves and grass cuttings in a small circular fence area and stack it. *Takes about a year, keep it moist, not wet. *When its "cooked" put it where you want. *Don't put your gold at curbside for trash pickup. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe."Keith Corwell" wrote in message ... Tell me more about the "TEAS" I always have just mulched up the leaves and let them lay. "Dioclese" NONE wrote in message om... "willshak" wrote in message news:UradncEQJreU4ZXUnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@supernews. com... If no scientific study available, which is better in your experience or opinion? Raking all the leaves off the lawn before winter, or leaving the leaves where they fell, and under a blanket of snow (see sig for location). If left on the lawn where they fell, would the nutrients be better released by melting snow, and also provide a smidgen of insulation for the ground? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ After you mulch the leaves, aid the decompostion with a wetting agent and something that aids bacteria in breaking down those leaves. *There are a few "teas" in combination out there in recipes to put in your hose sprayer bottle. -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - i bought a bag of compost starter from gardens alive when i fired up the first compost pile, although i wasn't absolutely sure i needed it, but since then i rely on the remains of the former compost to inoculate the new compost. kind of like sourdough. for one thing, i figure the mix of organisms will tailor itself to my precise conditions. (how can you tell i used to be a microbiologist?) |
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