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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
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I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.

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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
0_ 20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.


Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.

Cwatters wrote:

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.


Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of
their heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has
taken a two weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to
mention the fine.

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great lengths to put a
bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

HeyBub wrote in message
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Cwatters wrote:

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.

Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of
their heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has
taken a two weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to
mention the fine.

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great
lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that individual to
clean up the mess he created.

The Ranger

The Ranger wrote:

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great
lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that
individual to clean up the mess he created.

The Ranger

I'm in Texas. We know about oil.

Seventy percent of the nation's refining capacity is within 100 miles of my
home.

Some pussies from Washington were nosing around not long ago trying to
discover why 70% of my neighbors are bald.

We run 'em off with a shotgun.

On Tue, 12 May 2009 21:23:01 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

The Ranger wrote:

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes to great
lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water that's been
poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there to force that
individual to clean up the mess he created.

The Ranger

I'm in Texas. We know about oil.

Seventy percent of the nation's refining capacity is within 100 miles of my
home.

Some pussies from Washington were nosing around not long ago trying to
discover why 70% of my neighbors are bald.

Man, you bald Texan men sure do go for bald women... g


We run 'em off with a shotgun.

HeyBub wrote in message
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The Ranger wrote:

Sigh.

Oil COMES from the ground. The government goes
to great lengths to put a bunch of it BACK in the ground.

But let an individual do so, and it's the end of the world.

Your ignorance is staggering. I truly hope you drink water
that's been poluted because the "nanny state" wasn't there
to force that individual to clean up the mess he created.

I'm in Texas. We know about oil.

Y'all're just poser, nothing more than a Mississippi reject. Y'all don't
know dick.

Some pussies from Washington were nosing around not
long ago trying to discover why 70% of my neighbors
are bald.

We run 'em off with a shotgun.

Reality will eventually break those glasses y'all're wearin'.

The Ranger

On May 12, 8:51*am, "Cwatters"
wrote:

Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes that can happen. Especially in an urban area. In more rural areas
it is amazing how far leaked oil can travel, polluting drinking wells
along the way! In one case here the large hole (many dump truck
loads) that had to be excavated to remove oil polluted soil was used
to build a basement onto which a rentable extension to the house was
built.
One failure mode (of outside tanks) has been when unprotected oil
lines have snapped off due to ice and snow, thus leaking the oil onto
the ground. Where tanks have leaked (usually due to internal rusting)
inside a house it has soaked into concrete basements floors. The smell
(and possibly health hazard?) never goes away.
Regulations for installation of oil tanks has been improved and that
along with greater use of electricity, due here to lower cost, is
reducing the hazard. Oil leakage insurance can be expensive even when
the oil tank replacement has been done in an approved/certified
manner.
There have been a few hospitalizations (in a population of 500,000
persons) due to ingesting oil. And problem is that once a well has
been polluted it may be years, if ever before, it is fit for use
again..

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I need to transfer K1 kerosene from my delivery trailer to my
tank 50 ft
away. I have priced hoses made for fuels, and a 50 ft length
is $200-300.

Any reason why I cannot us a commercial grade, 3/4 inch hose
like the one
shown in this link ? This hose would be used **only** for
this purpose,
and would be used no more than two times a year.

Any comments or advice would be welcome.

Thank you.

James

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...et/product_697
0_ 20 0218424_200218424


I'm sure it's not the proper thing to use. The fuel probably
deteriorates the hose material. There's probably 20 federal laws
prohibiting it's use, but I've been dumping about 500 gallons of
heating oil from an above ground tank to an underground tank each
year for about five years now, using a cheap garden hose and a
gear pump. I just make sure to keep a close eye out for problems
while the transfer is going on


I'm just curious: what kind of 'problems' do you keep an eye out
for that you can actually solve after you visually note them
happening?

jc



City inspectors maybe.

If you need to look over your shoulder in fear of an inspector
checking the type of hose you're using, it time to move




I meant the fact of private citizen pumping oil into the
ground...tank or not.

Private citizen pumping privately owned oil from one privately owned
tank to another privately owned tank on private property...privately,
just to clarify




Well in some Granola-head states, when it comes to anything to do with
oil and the ground there is no such thing as "privately".

I hear you just fine. The whole country is becoming a nanny state.


Neighbour of mine had an oil leak recently and lost the contents of their
heating oil tank into the ground. The clean up operation has taken a two
weeks so far and is costing them a small fortune not to mention the fine.

Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?

On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:34:01 -0400, "RBM" wrote:



Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?


For failure to meet codes? Which would have prevented contamination
from the leak... (Think dual-wall tanks.)

(see how snipping past comments makes this post easier to read?)

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On Tue, 12 May 2009 19:34:01 -0400, "RBM" wrote:



Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?


For failure to meet codes? Which would have prevented contamination
from the leak... (Think dual-wall tanks.)

(see how snipping past comments makes this post easier to read?)

Why would you assume that the tank he had, didn't meet codes? There is no
code where I live, requiring me to replace my existing tank with any special
type. Over time, if it's left in the ground, it too will become porous.

"RBM" wrote in message
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Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?

because they should maintain it so it doesn't leak. Old ones should be
replaced by bunded tanks (twin wall).

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"RBM" wrote in message
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Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank leak?

because they should maintain it so it doesn't leak. Old ones should be
replaced by bunded tanks (twin wall).

You use the word "should" as though you are the authority. I'm sure every
state,city, county, and town have their own rules, and it seems that Stan's
neighbor could have been in compliance, in his jurisdiction, when the leak
occured. He certainly didn't indicate that he wasn't

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Why would they be "fined" for having the misfortune of a fuel tank
leak?

because they should maintain it so it doesn't leak. Old ones should be
replaced by bunded tanks (twin wall).

You use the word "should" as though you are the authority. I'm sure every
state,city, county, and town have their own rules, and it seems that
Stan's neighbor could have been in compliance, in his jurisdiction, when
the leak occured. He certainly didn't indicate that he wasn't



My appologies, I really got screwed up on the progression of this thread.
So you're saying that where you live, there is a requirement to dig up
existing oil tanks and replace them?