Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have* had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I. Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment, and I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual of the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Diana Kulaga wrote:
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have* had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?


I suspect there are a lot of different kinds of things called scale.
And no doubt many different species that get lumped into a few misused
categories. My particular bane is what I've always heard called
boisduval scale. The adult scale (females, I think) are flattened
hemispheres with a somewhat hard shell, but they are easily rubbed off.
The juveniles and (perhaps) the males are small, thriplike little SOBs
that form fluffy white masses under leaves and in various nooks. I've
never wanted to have it around long enough to take a picture...

However, others have different scale. I have seen 'soft scale' which are
basically scale without the hard shell, flattened ovoids that you might
think were bald mealy bugs. In my experience they were more dense on
the infested plant than other types, but very easy to kill. I've only
ever seen it on one paph that I bought in florida. There is another
scale that I call by a latinized name of a well known vendor (I really
shouldn't put it into electrons) which I think is 'Hemispherical scale'
or some other equally useless common name. Easy to kill if you caught
it early, but evidently very hard to eradicate once established. Mealy
bugs are a type of scale, if I understand it right (I have actually seen
them move, not the other kinds).

As a general rule that is almost certainly bogus, the ones you see are
usually the females, which are large and not mobile. I think males and
juveniles are small and mobile, and can cover some ground.


--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Sometimes it's possible to learn from the past; looking back at old
knowledge with fresh eyes may give new insight. So it is with mealy bugs
and possibly even scale. The once-discredited concept in question is
'spontaneous generation'. Clearly, these bugs simply generate out of
thin air at will, defying any and all attempts at complete annihilation.
They will be with us always; it is inescapable. A never-ending war to
keep the numbers below critical level is the best mere humans can hope for.

Never give up....we can win this battle!



"tennis maynard" wrote in message
...
Sometimes it's possible to learn from the past; looking back at old
knowledge with fresh eyes may give new insight. So it is with mealy bugs
and possibly even scale. The once-discredited concept in question is
'spontaneous generation'. Clearly, these bugs simply generate out of
thin air at will, defying any and all attempts at complete annihilation.
They will be with us always; it is inescapable. A never-ending war to
keep the numbers below critical level is the best mere humans can hope
for.

Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch and a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have* had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I. Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment, and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have* had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy
babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not
a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied
as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm
not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance
to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was
worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

It's a hot humid day in the greenhouse.

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey slimy,
how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?" "I so love the
shape of your probiscus." "Is there room under that shell for both of us?"

Awwww....young scale love.



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy
babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs
hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally
not
a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I
have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked
fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as
I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the
bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied
as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface
as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks,
within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm
not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance
to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the
same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same
pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was
worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid
treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer
residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

And.....she says, flashing her scaly eyelashes, so weigh me!

--
Cheers Wendy

No Spam Email Address Invalid

Gene Schurg wrote:
It's a hot humid day in the greenhouse.

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?" "I
so love the shape of your probiscus." "Is there room under that
shell for both of us?"

Awwww....young scale love.



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet
curvy babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe
me a keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays
eggs under her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and
protects the eggs with her shell which gets leathery and dry.
After some time the eggs hatch and a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under
the shell and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the
crawlers. In large quantities they could be mistaken for mealie
bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is
generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I
have never seen anything that I could identify as crawling
scale. When I *have* had scale, it appears attached to the
plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in already. Thorough
searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing
as I. Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the
bayer for three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't
work, or at least not completely. When I added the IGR into
the mix, it was applied as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf
surface as possible (top and bottom), again for three
consecutive weeks, within a couple hours after watering the
greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a
chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively transpiring right after a nice watering and more
susceptible to absorbing chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it.
I don't think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is
about the same cost, but you have to buy a whole quart... They
target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid for the first two weeks. Both have systemic
activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid
treatment, and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get
the resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer
residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap...
Probably a stupid idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.