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Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at
OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
I thought something like this was going to happen once Tennis mentioned
Otaara was now Petersara. I just looked at the RHS hybrid lists and can't see any mention of these changes other than the formation of a group to look into registration changes. (Joyce Stewart, Tom Sheehan etc) So I guess these are going to happen. K Barrett "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Diana Kulaga wrote:
Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz This seems both premature and ill-informed; usually the RHS is slow to change and certain of the necessity. Very few, if anyone, accepts the idea that was proposed by two authors of one article that the brazilian laelias should be sophronitis. Far more people, including taxonomists, think they should either stay laelia, or more often, should be included in cattleya. |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
tenman wrote:
Diana Kulaga wrote: Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz This seems both premature and ill-informed; usually the RHS is slow to change and certain of the necessity. Very few, if anyone, accepts the idea that was proposed by two authors of one article that the brazilian laelias should be sophronitis. Far more people, including taxonomists, think they should either stay laelia, or more often, should be included in cattleya. And from what I understand, even if the changes from soph/laelia go thru there will be further splitting into smaller subdivisions.... so WTF? K Barrett |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
This seems both premature and ill-informed; usually the RHS is slow to change and certain of the necessity. Very few, if anyone, accepts the idea that was proposed by two authors of one article that the brazilian laelias should be sophronitis. Far more people, including taxonomists, think they should either stay laelia, or more often, should be included in cattleya. Plus, even if you do accept the new taxonomy (I can see some merits in it), that doesn't mean we need to go all nuts and change the names for registration. There are horticultural names and scientific names, we've been keeping track of that in orchids since day 10 or so. Did anybody change the name of all the Rhyncholaelia digbyana crosses right away? No, and we were just fine. That is just one example. I find this whole name change thing to be ill conceived at best, and a terrible idea at worst. Or perhaps best and worst at the same time. Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
This is how I see it. . . . . . There is this group of
people=taxonomists=folks that sit around with nothing to do but clump & split. I want to know why do they have to change the names? It has taken me ten years to get used to the different genera & all the hybrid crosses & names that I have. I personally think they are egotists & want their naming on the books!!!! Now I am not going to change my tags, maybe add another coloured one to show new names. Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no
easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
i'm sitting here with a stack of internal revenue cumulative
bulletins on my desk, trying to update and change some cites in a book--i thought *those* were tough on the renaming/cross referencing thing--! oi. they got nothing on this orchid naming business. i'm just going to keep calling 'em all Fred. --j_a |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
No good. I'll try to find time to post the individual links in a while.
Diana |
RHS Links Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Here are the links that were in Alex's original email. Just a few examples.
Anyone have a clue how we would go about renaming all our plants, should we choose to do that? I'm thinking I'm with JA. Fred it is. Diana http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=45079 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=70624 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72554 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=75682 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72296 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=32331 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=101451 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=18657 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=76248 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=104791 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=68580 |
RHS Links Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Heh!
"Al" wrote in message news:Tcoui.1985$Aj6.667@trnddc01... You can call them whatever you want, but if you want them to respond, you must call them Fred. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Here are the links that were in Alex's original email. Just a few examples. Anyone have a clue how we would go about renaming all our plants, should we choose to do that? I'm thinking I'm with JA. Fred it is. Diana http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=45079 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=70624 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72554 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=75682 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72296 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=32331 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=101451 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=18657 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=76248 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=104791 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=68580 |
RHS Links Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
I wonder how this will affect show registration. Earlier this year, some of
our people put in some very long hours programming registration software for our show. Diana "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Heh! "Al" wrote in message news:Tcoui.1985$Aj6.667@trnddc01... You can call them whatever you want, but if you want them to respond, you must call them Fred. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Here are the links that were in Alex's original email. Just a few examples. Anyone have a clue how we would go about renaming all our plants, should we choose to do that? I'm thinking I'm with JA. Fred it is. Diana http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=45079 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=70624 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72554 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=75682 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72296 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=32331 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=101451 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=18657 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=76248 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=104791 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=68580 |
RHS Links Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Note to everyone: Don't make any changes yet. This is not cast in stone,
or not as cast in stone as the RHS may want you to think. I understand there will be some papers given at the WOC in Miami lumping instead of splitting. And ,as Rob says, the taxonomic names may differ from registrered hybrid names. So the Fat Lady hasn't sung yet. K Barrett "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... I wonder how this will affect show registration. Earlier this year, some of our people put in some very long hours programming registration software for our show. Diana "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Heh! "Al" wrote in message news:Tcoui.1985$Aj6.667@trnddc01... You can call them whatever you want, but if you want them to respond, you must call them Fred. "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Here are the links that were in Alex's original email. Just a few examples. Anyone have a clue how we would go about renaming all our plants, should we choose to do that? I'm thinking I'm with JA. Fred it is. Diana http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=45079 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=70624 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72554 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=75682 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=72296 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=32331 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=101451 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=18657 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=76248 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe....asp?ID=104791 http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registe...s.asp?ID=68580 |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they
ain't out yet. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01... I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
So, bottom line is do nothing for now. Okay with me.
Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they ain't out yet. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01... I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good. It
most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every few years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes to nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and Potinara? .....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be nonexistent but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of them.... if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new name and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant does not show up in the database and urgent help is needed.... For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an orchid, OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be specific, call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't water it every 7 days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you can tell!!!!" Golly it's hot. "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they ain't out yet. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01... I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
AFAIK, OW's next update (4.1) will keep track of the nothogenera changes.
That was the subject of Alex's last email, the one Diana cited at the start of this thread. I have been given to understand that the AOS asked the RHS not to proceed with these changes until the Far Lady had Sung at Miami's WOC, but the RHS declined. Since they control the hybrid registration data (ever since they took it over from the Sanders family) the RHS can do what they want. You may want to ask the judges at Washington, danny may want to ask the judges in Atlanta, SuE may want to ask the chair in Denver about this in order to get their take on these changes. Our center will be talking about these changes at our next meeting, but I don't know if that means our next 'business meeting' (in November) or our next scheduled judging (in Sept). K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:%ZEui.20053$ug3.2522@trnddc06... Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good. It most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every few years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes to nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and Potinara? ....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be nonexistent but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of them.... if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new name and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant does not show up in the database and urgent help is needed.... For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an orchid, OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be specific, call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't water it every 7 days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you can tell!!!!" Golly it's hot. "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they ain't out yet. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01... I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
On Aug 9, 9:51 am, "Al" wrote:
Golly it's hot. yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously combusting in this? --j_a |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
I heard a while back that there is going to be a meeting at the WOC to
discuss orchid naming, and that major changes would be held off until then. Obviously the changes are happening anyway. Asking the local judges may or may not get you any useful information, I think there are just a few people really knowledgeable about what's currently going on. If your center will be discussing the changes maybe Ron will be visiting from AOS, he's in the middle of the whole mess and knows more than most about what's going on. The renaming of species is fairly common in the plant world, it probably just doesn't affect as many of us amateur horticulturists when a moss or tree changes names. There isn't any other group with horticultural names like orchids. One future possibility would be to drop the nothogenera entirely and just name the hybrids by breeding group, that would stop all the name changing. Every hybrid in the Cattleya alliance would just be called a Cattleya (or some other single name). Something that could happen in a few years, or not. I'm not sure there's really much point in having the nothogenera anyway. Even grex names are questionable if you make it several times with different parental clones. Registration by parent clonal names would be most accurate, anything else is a bit iffy once you get past the primary hybrid stage. In the RHS database you don't need to specify a genus (they changed that a few years back), and probably shouldn't anymore. Just put in the grex name and then look at what genera come back, and then you may have to click on a few of the new ones to figure out which used to be a Cattleya :-) -danny |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
wrote in message
ups.com... On Aug 9, 9:51 am, "Al" wrote: Golly it's hot. yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously combusting in this? --j_a You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days? Now *that* was a feat.) K Barrett |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Ahhh. The list of name changes that accompanied that email blinded me to
everything else it said. Especially since I saw so many I own and would need to make a note of in my databases and on tags. I nearly blacked out, I'm sure....I did get real dizzy. Forgive me for not actually reading the message. I think I will just wait and see. In general, it will be decades before all the old tags all over the world get sifted out of circulation. "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. AFAIK, OW's next update (4.1) will keep track of the nothogenera changes. That was the subject of Alex's last email, the one Diana cited at the start of this thread. I have been given to understand that the AOS asked the RHS not to proceed with these changes until the Far Lady had Sung at Miami's WOC, but the RHS declined. Since they control the hybrid registration data (ever since they took it over from the Sanders family) the RHS can do what they want. You may want to ask the judges at Washington, danny may want to ask the judges in Atlanta, SuE may want to ask the chair in Denver about this in order to get their take on these changes. Our center will be talking about these changes at our next meeting, but I don't know if that means our next 'business meeting' (in November) or our next scheduled judging (in Sept). K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:%ZEui.20053$ug3.2522@trnddc06... Here's my question: Orchid Wiz keeps track of synonyms. That's good. It most likely does this for species names, i.e. the Latin binomial of naturally occurring plants....the ones that seem to change names every few years as taxonomists fiddle. BUT does it keep track of the changes to nothogenera; i.e. the names of artificial genera like Slc and Potinara? ....that would be EXCELLENT. Changes to nothogenera used to be nonexistent but it's like the taxonomists have suddenly gotten a hold of them.... if you look up Ctna Why not will the program tell you it is an obsolete synonym of Guaritonia Why Not or will it just present you with the new name and leave you to post a question on a newsgroup about how your plant does not show up in the database and urgent help is needed.... For my own part, I don't think I can memorize a whole new list of nothogenera and their natural genus combinations. "Just call it an orchid, OKAY? And if you need more, call it Fred. and if you need to be specific, call it O. Fred 'Red' and don't ask why... And BTW, don't water it every 7 days....water it when it needs it and don't ask how you can tell!!!!" Golly it's hot. "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. OrchidWiz keeps track of synonyms. I know the AOS Plus will too, but they ain't out yet. I have no affiliation with Orchid Wiz or AOS Plus. K Barrett "Al" wrote in message news:f_lui.1980$Aj6.665@trnddc01... I am so tired, so very tired. I just can't keep up anymore. There is no easy solution. I would keep an eye on the official RHS database record to track changes. They are the single authority and all other compilations are drawn from the RHS data. Its a shame that searching a tag name in these databases will just get more confusing than it already is. For what it's worth, I would like to see some new fields in all these databases that cross reference old names with new names. That would add value to the product for sure. It is a certain bet that the RHS will not do this; they will publish it once in the corrigenda and assume everybody knows how to research. Just changing the names in the databases to reflect current thinking without any cross reference to old names is caca. We might as well just start making up our own hybrid grex names like they already do in some orchid exporting countries... "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care
about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the parking lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as a Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I seriously doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The remaining 3 or 4 percent will just have to do their own research if they want the latest names. Kenni yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously combusting in this? --j_a |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
Wondered when you'd chime in, Kenni! For me, and those like me who protect
tags as if they are gold, it feels a bit like an assault. But I think we will mostly do as you are, at least for now. Diana "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the parking lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as a Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I seriously doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The remaining 3 or 4 percent will just have to do their own research if they want the latest names. Kenni yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously combusting in this? --j_a |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
I think Kenni and Danny are right. I think the RHS has been pushing to make
"Cattlya" a generic name for many years now and we hobbyists have freaked that the hybrid registration pages would be lost. Rather like the AKC or Horse breeders dropping their pedigree lines. (I think the orchid hybrid registry goes back farther than breeding lines, but I may be wrong...) The *increasing* advent of non-registered hybrids such as Den Emma White also clouds the hybrid registry. True non registered hybrids were used in hybridization programs in the past, but not at the rate the Thais and Taiwan breeders crank them out today. And Kenni is right that anyone who is interested will just have to do the research themselves. The preponderance of hobbyists just can't be bothered, what with the complexities of modern life. Hmmm..... pay your taxes, keep the kids off drugs, watch the presidential debates and figure out if your orchid is a guarthanthe whatever.... the orchid would fall pretty far off my radar, just ahead of the presidential debates, LOL! As for me I'm ignoring it. And lighting a candle for Alex Maxiamano (sp) who has to pay attention..... K Barrett "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... At the moment, I'm blithely ignoring it. 90% of my customers don't care about the names anyway -- many immediately discard the nametags like the price tags on clothing, I can tell because I find them littering the parking lot. Of the other 10%, more than half still refer to digbyana as a Brassavola and what used to be the Encyclias as Epidendrums, so I seriously doubt they'll come looking for any Guari-whatevers. The remaining 3 or 4 percent will just have to do their own research if they want the latest names. Kenni yeah, how are all of y'all with greenhouses keeping from spontaneously combusting in this? --j_a |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
On Aug 9, 4:18 pm, "K Barrett" wrote:
wrote in message You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days? Now *that* was a feat.) K Barrett yes, i remember those scary pictures. ! ;) i was just wondering if that was enough when the actual outside is 100 degrees. (my useless little parasites are in the house with me, so they get the benefit of the hellishly expensive Carrier unit. and a fan.) --j_a |
Heat/Swampcooler was Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
wrote in message
ps.com... On Aug 9, 4:18 pm, "K Barrett" wrote: wrote in message You don't have a swamp cooler? (Did I ever show pics of my swamp cooler encrusted in CaCO3? I rebuilt it over 4th of July during our 100F+ days? Now *that* was a feat.) K Barrett yes, i remember those scary pictures. ! ;) i was just wondering if that was enough when the actual outside is 100 degrees. (my useless little parasites are in the house with me, so they get the benefit of the hellishly expensive Carrier unit. and a fan.) --j_a Yes its enough, or has been in my experience. In our 100F days it keeps the GH at a little higher than ideal temps, about 86-7 or so at the bench height, warmer the higher you go towards the roof, cooler at the floor. I think the roof temp is 90. I don't have a gauge for the floor.... But teh masdevallias perked up once I put them down there. KBarrett |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
With all the hullabaloo going on, I just want to know how & why the changes?
Examples from Diana's list "Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai" "Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow" One could develop a speach impediment with some of these names. I like saying Blc. Momilani Rainbow now Thwait........ Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
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Taxo troubles. Chaos ahead.
What I want to know is who made up these names? Who are these honorees? In
the past the person making the cross got the honor of the name. Mr. Ota got to be Otaara becasue he put a Broughtonia on a Blc first. Who the heck is Thwaits and why does he get to be a new name? Who is Peetse that he gets to be the new Rhylc? Butch to Sundance: Who are these guys? K Barrett "Wendy7" wrote in message ... With all the hullabaloo going on, I just want to know how & why the changes? Examples from Diana's list "Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai" "Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow" One could develop a speach impediment with some of these names. I like saying Blc. Momilani Rainbow now Thwait........ Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
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K Barrett wrote:
What I want to know is who made up these names? Who are these honorees? In the past the person making the cross got the honor of the name. Mr. Ota got to be Otaara becasue he put a Broughtonia on a Blc first. Who the heck is Thwaits and why does he get to be a new name? Who is Peetse that he gets to be the new Rhylc? I was wondering if this was all some scheme to reward patrons of the RHS, actually. I propose we give all nothogenera a number. Thwaiteseara could be C00235-A2007. That is almost as easy to remember, right? *grin* Rob -- Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com 1) There is always room for one more orchid 2) There is always room for two more orchids 2a) See rule 1 3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more orchids, obtain more credit |
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"Rob" wrote in message
... K Barrett wrote: What I want to know is who made up these names? Who are these honorees? In the past the person making the cross got the honor of the name. Mr. Ota got to be Otaara becasue he put a Broughtonia on a Blc first. Who the heck is Thwaits and why does he get to be a new name? Who is Peetse that he gets to be the new Rhylc? I was wondering if this was all some scheme to reward patrons of the RHS, actually. I propose we give all nothogenera a number. Thwaiteseara could be C00235-A2007. That is almost as easy to remember, right? *grin* Rob I Like it! And I'll bet they ARE rewarding patrons. K Barrett |
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Butch to Sundance: Who are these guys?
"I can't swim!" "Don't worry. The fall's gonna kill you!" LOL Diana "K Barrett" wrote in message . .. What I want to know is who made up these names? Who are these honorees? In the past the person making the cross got the honor of the name. Mr. Ota got to be Otaara becasue he put a Broughtonia on a Blc first. Who the heck is Thwaits and why does he get to be a new name? Who is Peetse that he gets to be the new Rhylc? K Barrett "Wendy7" wrote in message ... With all the hullabaloo going on, I just want to know how & why the changes? Examples from Diana's list "Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai" "Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow" One could develop a speach impediment with some of these names. I like saying Blc. Momilani Rainbow now Thwait........ Cheers Wendy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
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(((lol))) You're so funny! Cheers Wendy
wrote in message oups.com... i'm sitting here with a stack of internal revenue cumulative bulletins on my desk, trying to update and change some cites in a book--i thought *those* were tough on the renaming/cross referencing thing--! oi. they got nothing on this orchid naming business. i'm just going to keep calling 'em all Fred. --j_a |
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IMHO, they are effectively "lost" now, because they will be so difficult to
use -- esp. for planning purposes (breeding new hybrids). I predict an overall decrease in the number of new hybrids made -- dabblers, who have made some really nice ones, will decide it's too much trouble -- and of those still produced, a great increase in "trade names" like that Den. Emma White. It isn't only Taiwan and Thailand who have begun to rebel, I see more and more US nurseries selling unregistered hybrids, with and without awards. Other problems with the whole mess come up in the interaction between AOS and RHS, and then what how Helga (if WildCatt is still around) and Alex handle it. For example, the award on my Smbcna. (currently Ctph, last I looked) Garnet Glory 'HCC/AOS' got dropped out of WildCatt for a couple of years because, while RHS decided that it was a Ctph, AOS continued to list the award as having been given to an Smbcna (or at least that's why Helga told me it was left out, when I inquired). Alex did a better job (at least from my point of view), but his product was not yet in wide circulation. Others may seek awards for the personal satisfaction, but personally, if I'm going to spend half a day dragging a plant to judging and then pay for the award, I WANT the publicity -- to help me sell those 2000 clones ... BTW to Diana: Apologies, I know you like your tags accurate (although what constitutes "accurate" seems to be somewhat debatable at the moment ...), but not even for _you_ am I going to relabel 15 or 20 thousand plants! Kenni "K Barrett" wrote in message ... I think Kenni and Danny are right. I think the RHS has been pushing to make "Cattlya" a generic name for many years now and we hobbyists have freaked that the hybrid registration pages would be lost. SNIP |
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Kenni, I'm not even going to change *one* tag until the air clears, LOL!
Diana "Kenni Judd" wrote in message . .. IMHO, they are effectively "lost" now, because they will be so difficult to use -- esp. for planning purposes (breeding new hybrids). I predict an overall decrease in the number of new hybrids made -- dabblers, who have made some really nice ones, will decide it's too much trouble -- and of those still produced, a great increase in "trade names" like that Den. Emma White. It isn't only Taiwan and Thailand who have begun to rebel, I see more and more US nurseries selling unregistered hybrids, with and without awards. Other problems with the whole mess come up in the interaction between AOS and RHS, and then what how Helga (if WildCatt is still around) and Alex handle it. For example, the award on my Smbcna. (currently Ctph, last I looked) Garnet Glory 'HCC/AOS' got dropped out of WildCatt for a couple of years because, while RHS decided that it was a Ctph, AOS continued to list the award as having been given to an Smbcna (or at least that's why Helga told me it was left out, when I inquired). Alex did a better job (at least from my point of view), but his product was not yet in wide circulation. Others may seek awards for the personal satisfaction, but personally, if I'm going to spend half a day dragging a plant to judging and then pay for the award, I WANT the publicity -- to help me sell those 2000 clones ... BTW to Diana: Apologies, I know you like your tags accurate (although what constitutes "accurate" seems to be somewhat debatable at the moment ...), but not even for _you_ am I going to relabel 15 or 20 thousand plants! Kenni "K Barrett" wrote in message ... I think Kenni and Danny are right. I think the RHS has been pushing to make "Cattlya" a generic name for many years now and we hobbyists have freaked that the hybrid registration pages would be lost. SNIP |
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And as for the nurseries selling unregistered hybrids. it's nothing new or a big deal after all. Those plants are marketed for mass consumption as decorative plants. Many growers don't care about AOS awards or RHS registration, they just want to produce as many blooming plants as they can for valentine's, mother's day, etc. And most consumers don't care about tags either, nor should they be required. Again I fail to see how these changes will make any difference. |
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Louis, so if it wasn't such a big deal and any serious person would do their
research anyway then why change them in the first place? Just to make the names align with "current" thought? We are seeing great changes in 'current' thought and there's as yet no agreement on what 'current' thought is ... so what's the rush? And as for unregistered hybrids, the trouble is they don't stay in the mass market, they sneak into hybridizing efforts. There are plenty of 'unknown' parentage in the hybrid registry, and it makes for interesting discussions about whether a plant truly is what it purports to be. But rememeber it limits the ability for someone to remake a cross with better parentage as breeding lines improve if they are dealing with 'unknowns'. K Barrett "Louis Ablazzo" wrote in message ... May I ask why changing names is such a big deal? after all, the people who create new hybrids are supposed to do their research anyway. Changing names wont mean hybridization becomes suddenly more difficult. The plants are the same. I think it is very unlikely that commercial growers and serious hobbyists suddenly will stop hybridization just because the name of the crosses is different. And as for the nurseries selling unregistered hybrids. it's nothing new or a big deal after all. Those plants are marketed for mass consumption as decorative plants. Many growers don't care about AOS awards or RHS registration, they just want to produce as many blooming plants as they can for valentine's, mother's day, etc. And most consumers don't care about tags either, nor should they be required. Again I fail to see how these changes will make any difference. -- Louis Ablazzo |
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Louis: Obviously, new hybrids will continue to be made, but some percentage
of the folks who have been doing it till now are going to decide it's just too much trouble. K's point about attempted re-makes is quite valid (take a look at the "family tree" of Blc. Goldenzelle, for example, and then picture it after all the name changes ...). But I think more would-be hybridizers would rather make a *new* cross (so they can name it, or in the case of a commercial grower, so that they can have an "exclusive," etc.). Trying to determine that one's proposed cross does not already exist, under some name or another, is going to be a LOT more difficult. Kenni "Louis Ablazzo" wrote in message ... Kenni Judd;738223 Wrote: IMHO, they are effectively "lost" now, because they will be so difficult to use -- esp. for planning purposes (breeding new hybrids). I predict an overall decrease in the number of new hybrids made -- dabblers, who have made some really nice ones, will decide it's too much trouble -- and of those still produced, a great increase in "trade names" like that Den. Emma White. It isn't only Taiwan and Thailand who have begun to rebel, I see more and more US nurseries selling unregistered hybrids, with and without awards. May I ask why changing names is such a big deal? after all, the people who create new hybrids are supposed to do their research anyway. Changing names wont mean hybridization becomes suddenly more difficult. The plants are the same. I think it is very unlikely that commercial growers and serious hobbyists suddenly will stop hybridization just because the name of the crosses is different. And as for the nurseries selling unregistered hybrids. it's nothing new or a big deal after all. Those plants are marketed for mass consumption as decorative plants. Many growers don't care about AOS awards or RHS registration, they just want to produce as many blooming plants as they can for valentine's, mother's day, etc. And most consumers don't care about tags either, nor should they be required. Again I fail to see how these changes will make any difference. -- Louis Ablazzo [/color] |
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Hi Diana,
Let me through in my two cents. It must be time for money grant among the PHD's. Every time it happens we get these kind of change. Now I like change, but I tend to measure change in terms of 'VALUE ADD'. As far as I can see, the only value add is to the book and data base suppliers so they can sell more books. I really get upset at these 'academic make work projects' and the resulting trouble they cause. Roy "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ... Get ready for mass confusion. I rec'd the following today from Alex at OrchidWiz. I can post this as originally rec'd if you like. I converted it to plain text for this ng, so the links are not showing. Aren't orchid people insane enough on our own without the Taxos piling on? DK OrchidWiz Alert: Name Changes We would like to bring to your attention a recent change in genus names in the International Register of Orchid Hybrids maintained by the RHS. The change stems from the separation of Rhyncholaelia from Brassavola; Guarianthe from Cattleya; the change from Brazilian Laelias to Sophronites; and the separation of Schomburgkia into Myrmecophila and Laelia. The changes to Laeliinae species caused a massive domino effect throughout hybrid nomenclature, impacting many thousands of crosses. The transformation is drastic and inescapable. To give you some examples of popular hybrids affected: Brassolaeliocattleya Goldenzelle in now Rhynchosophrocattleya Goldenzelle (click link to see) Sophrolaeliocattleya Hazel Boyd is now Guarisophleya Hazel Boyd Cattleytonia Why Not is now Guaritonia Why Not Laeliocattleya Trick or Treat is now Sophranthe Trick or Treat Cattleya Chocolate Drop is now Cattlianthe Chocolate Drop Brassocattleya Maikai is now Brassanthe Maikai Brassolaeliocattleya Momilani Rainbow is now Thwaitesara Momilani Rainbow Brassolaelia Morning Glory is now Brassonitis Morning Glory Brassolaeliocattleya Golden Tang is now Marriottara Golden Tang Epilaeliocattleya Don Herman is now Epicatanthe Don Herman Otaara Jane Fumiye is now Peetersara Jane Fumiye The new nomenclature in effect obsoletes all currently-published orchid databases. OrchidWiz has already incorporated the changes into Encyclopedia 4.01 (the September update) which will start shipping in the next few days. The new version will include thousands of new registrations as well as the June AQ. Please note all existing awards, contributed photos and other historical data will remain under the old names which will be "aliased" (linked) to the new names. If you subscribe to the Annual Maintenance Plan you will be receiving the update in the mail within a week or two. From now on we are holding all new orders of 4.0 (or upgrades to 4.0) until the new software ships. We thank you for your patience on this matter. If you have questions, comments or concerns, please contact . Best wishes, - The team at OrchidWiz |
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