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Jungle Feed
Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to
finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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"keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith Sorry it is called Jungle Green Keith |
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Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1
12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Read this:
http://www.orchidboard.com/community...400-msu-fertil izer-vs-green-jungle-orchid-food.html Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:37 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith Sorry it is called Jungle Green Keith |
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Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search.
I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just
orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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On Aug 19, 6:11*pm, "keith kent" wrote:
Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith * Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Thanks for jumping in, Kenneth.
Even GreenCare - the folks that make the original "MSU" fertilizers - have to resort to more-expensive raw materials for the tap water formula. The whole "dissolved solids" level discussion is hard to deal with, which is why EC or going with the nitrogen loading is more manageable. For example, using the MSU RO formula, for 125 ppm N, adding up the weight percentages of all of the cations present gives a dissolved solids level of about 355 ppm. However, as one must add 3.55 grams of the powder to a gallon of water for 125 ppm N, that is an addition of 938 ppm. Now I'm quite sure that all of the constituents of the mineral molecules don't contribute to the dissolved solids content - some of those are water, after all - so that suggests that the TRUE dissolved solids content is lower than that last calculation would imply, but how do you determine that? TDS meters really are of little value, as they are just cheap EC meters with a built-in conversion factor to ppm. Unfortunately, the factor should change with the make-up of the ionic species dissolved, so it technically cannot be a single factor for all fertilizers and solutions. Let's also not forget that different manufacturers use different conversion factors! I have two - at a 125 ppm N solution, one tells me the TDS is about 480 ppm, the other 610. About all TDS meters are good for is assessing whether the solution you made up this time is different from the last time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth ] Posted At: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:22 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed On Aug 19, 6:11*pm, "keith kent" wrote: Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith * Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Jungle FeedThanks Ray & Kenneth .
I am hoping to go to the Boga fayre ! Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca21ae$b95daa70$0202fea9@fro... Thanks for jumping in, Kenneth. Even GreenCare - the folks that make the original "MSU" fertilizers - have to resort to more-expensive raw materials for the tap water formula. The whole "dissolved solids" level discussion is hard to deal with, which is why EC or going with the nitrogen loading is more manageable. For example, using the MSU RO formula, for 125 ppm N, adding up the weight percentages of all of the cations present gives a dissolved solids level of about 355 ppm. However, as one must add 3.55 grams of the powder to a gallon of water for 125 ppm N, that is an addition of 938 ppm. Now I'm quite sure that all of the constituents of the mineral molecules don't contribute to the dissolved solids content - some of those are water, after all - so that suggests that the TRUE dissolved solids content is lower than that last calculation would imply, but how do you determine that? TDS meters really are of little value, as they are just cheap EC meters with a built-in conversion factor to ppm. Unfortunately, the factor should change with the make-up of the ionic species dissolved, so it technically cannot be a single factor for all fertilizers and solutions. Let's also not forget that different manufacturers use different conversion factors! I have two - at a 125 ppm N solution, one tells me the TDS is about 480 ppm, the other 610. About all TDS meters are good for is assessing whether the solution you made up this time is different from the last time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth ] Posted At: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:22 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed On Aug 19, 6:11 pm, "keith kent" wrote: Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Small, but very important correction.
I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce
.. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Keith,
Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedHi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at
129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Don’t forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated
solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedOh, ok Ray .
So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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That’s what I do.
Let me add that if you’re growing in “normal” culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don’t forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedI mainly use bark mix ,i am trying a husk mix on some Massies .So my 4th watering will be water only .
As i am using RO i have still been adding Cal & Mg and adjusting the ph when using water only ,would you say this is good practice ?. Or not neccessary ? Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2574$8e7f4560$0201a8c0@fro... That's what I do. Let me add that if you're growing in "normal" culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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With the “rain water” formula, I believe the plants will get all they
need from the fertilizer, so would not bother adding it to the flush water. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:05 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I mainly use bark mix ,i am trying a husk mix on some Massies .So my 4th watering will be water only . As i am using RO i have still been adding Cal & Mg and adjusting the ph when using water only ,would you say this is good practice ?. Or not neccessary ? Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2574$8e7f4560$0201a8c0@fro... That’s what I do. Let me add that if you’re growing in “normal” culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don’t forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedThanks for your input Ray .
Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2683$04875630$0201a8c0@fro... With the "rain water" formula, I believe the plants will get all they need from the fertilizer, so would not bother adding it to the flush water. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:05 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I mainly use bark mix ,i am trying a husk mix on some Massies .So my 4th watering will be water only . As i am using RO i have still been adding Cal & Mg and adjusting the ph when using water only ,would you say this is good practice ?. Or not neccessary ? Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2574$8e7f4560$0201a8c0@fro... That's what I do. Let me add that if you're growing in "normal" culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedThanks for your input Ray .
Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2683$04875630$0201a8c0@fro... With the "rain water" formula, I believe the plants will get all they need from the fertilizer, so would not bother adding it to the flush water. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:05 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I mainly use bark mix ,i am trying a husk mix on some Massies .So my 4th watering will be water only . As i am using RO i have still been adding Cal & Mg and adjusting the ph when using water only ,would you say this is good practice ?. Or not neccessary ? Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2574$8e7f4560$0201a8c0@fro... That's what I do. Let me add that if you're growing in "normal" culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedHi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon .
Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedHi Ray ,i now have my 13-3-15 MSU feed ,i have been using your conversions etc and know i need 0.75 teaspoon per gallon to get 125 N, with all the other nutrients added what total ppm should i end with in RO.So it gives me an idea of where it should be .I know with TDS meters this cannot be that accurate but if you could give me an idea what you get would be good .
Sorry to be a pain in the neck ,but i want to get it right now i know i have the right feed that i have been looking for for along time ! one more question , what else is in the feed ? as all the % of all the elements doesn`t add to 100 % or am i missing something ? Cheers Keith h kent" wrote in message ... Thanks for your input Ray . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2683$04875630$0201a8c0@fro... With the "rain water" formula, I believe the plants will get all they need from the fertilizer, so would not bother adding it to the flush water. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:05 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I mainly use bark mix ,i am trying a husk mix on some Massies .So my 4th watering will be water only . As i am using RO i have still been adding Cal & Mg and adjusting the ph when using water only ,would you say this is good practice ?. Or not neccessary ? Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2574$8e7f4560$0201a8c0@fro... That's what I do. Let me add that if you're growing in "normal" culture (organic media components), I would feed for 3 out of 4 waterings, water only the 4th time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Oh, ok Ray . So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter
(litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedHi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ?
Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedRay is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres
What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedAnswer NO, i did this and the TDS came out at 650ppm .
"keith kent" wrote in message ... Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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A gallon is a volume measurement - liquid or powder makes no difference.
Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:20 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
Jungle Feed
Keith,
A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I’ll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients “tag along” in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It’s easy to determine the amount to use – just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedSorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !!
Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedThis really is getting silly now ! ;-)
On my 1 teaspoon is 5ml , a online conversion from 1 teaspoon to ml is 3.55163ml I have always known 1teaspoon as 5 ml, This should be simple right , i only want to know how many whatever to put into a gallon to get 125 ppm N. aaaHHHHHH lol "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle Feed1 teaspoon is 5ml , going by the calculator this is 4.54 x 0.95 =4.3 ml per gallon /4.54 l
This is way too much i think I have put 5ml in 10 l to achieve TDS of 320 ppm keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... This really is getting silly now ! ;-) On my 1 teaspoon is 5ml , a online conversion from 1 teaspoon to ml is 3.55163ml I have always known 1teaspoon as 5 ml, This should be simple right , i only want to know how many whatever to put into a gallon to get 125 ppm N. aaaHHHHHH lol "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Jungle FeedI have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon
result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250-300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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First of all, TDS meters are rarely correct. I have two, and at a known
125 ppm N solution of the Greencare MSU RO formula, one tells me the TDS is 475, the other 600 ppm. How are we to trust either of them for absolute readings? Here’s a bit from my “EC & TDS” article: A TDS meter is really just an electrical conductivity (EC) meter that has a built-in conversion factor that displays the output in parts per million (ppm) of total dissolved solids (TDS). The trouble is that the relationship between the conductivity of a solution and its content varies not only by the concentration of the dissolved ions, but is also based upon the charge and mobility of the dissolved ionic species. As a very simplified explanation of that, imagine a small ion and a large ion having the same electrical charge. The small ion will find it easier to move in the solution, so "conducts" that charge faster, so gives a higher EC for the same concentration (TDS) in the solution. Likewise, if two ions have the same size, but one has a higher charge than the other, it too will show a higher EC. A commercial fertilizer can be made up of dozens of different chemicals, each of which ionizes and contributes to the EC of the solution, and different brands of fertilizer can use different chemicals to make up the total formula. With all of that variability, how can a single "constant" conversion factor be valid? That said, as you recognize, my online calculator only gives the ppm of the N, P, & K. If you use the Greencare published chemistry, and calculate the contribution of the cations only, for 125 ppm N, the calculated TDS is for N+P+K is 265 ppm, and adding the minor elements brings the total up to about 355 ppm. However, we know that some of the anionic components contribute to the TDS, but which do and which don’t? Also, some fertilizer minerals have chemically-bound water in them, so when dissolved that water comes free but does not contribute to the conductivity or dissolved solids content. Let’s look at it from the other end of the spectrum: according to the Greencare label, one must add 3.55g of powder to a US gallon of pure water to attain the 125 ppm N level. As a part-per-million is a milligram per kilogram, and a US gallon is 3.785 liters @ 1 kg/L, for 125 ppm N, we are actually adding 3550mg/3.785kg or 938 ppm of solids. So now we have a calculated cation contribution of 355 ppm at one end, and a gross contribution of 938 ppm at the other. The REAL answer is somewhere in between, but I’ll be damned if I have any idea what it is, and I will not trust ANY TDS meter to tell me a true level anyway. (With the exception of orchid growers, professional nurserymen rely on EC of the solution, as it is directly measurable.) Here’s the best advice you can get: 1) Trust the manufacturer. 2) Know your units. 3) Mix the recommended amount. 4) Don’t fret any longer. If you want to use your TDS meter, do as I, and only use it as a guide. Using 1, 2, & 3 above, I measure the TDS with one of my meters – let’s use the 600 one in this example – and from then on, if I check my solution and it’s between 550 and 650, I’m happy. The actual number is meaningless, but it does allow me to measure repeatability. Can we move on now, please? Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:02 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I’ll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients “tag along” in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It’s easy to determine the amount to use – just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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What’s the 660 m/sm?
Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250-300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I’ll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients “tag along” in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It’s easy to determine the amount to use – just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:35:30 -0400 in 000401ca2b09$2a9f8d80$0201a8c0@fro Ray B wrote:
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01CA2AE7.A38206A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WhatÂ’s the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Any chance ya'll could turn off the posting with a text version and an HTML version and trim the quotes occasionally? While this thread has been amusing me greatly, 1588 line posts which are mostly HTML from earlier in the thread is getting a tad insane. And as keith has finally gone metric like a good european... PPM Nitrogen = 1000000* ((%N/100)*((fertilizer in ml)/1000)/(container size in liters) Cancel some zeroes PPM Nitrogen = 10 * (%N * (fertilizer in ml))/(container size in liters) And plug in the numbers for 125PPM nitrogen... 13%N in the fertilizer... 125 = 10 * ( 13 * (x))/1 125/130 ml/l and for sanity's sake we just round to 1ml/l. And if Keith wants to play with the amounts for other PPMs. PPM component*container size in l/(10*%component)= ml of fert And if Keith absolutely must find out the TDS... the UK should have an equivalent to an agriculture extension agency which should, for a fee, be willing to do a full sample anlysis for him. Color me a grouch, but these calculations are a no-brainer in metric. And if you need to end up using screwball non-metric units, do the unit conversion from the metric answer to the screwball units. And Keith... there's this wonderful Unix program called 'units'. Here's a useful conversion for you... You have: ml/l You want: brteaspoon/brgallon * 0.909218 / 1.0998462 And another useful conversion... You have: usteaspoon/usgallon You want: brteaspoon/brgallon * 1.1838776 / 0.84468191 And now I'm off to ponder asking for a half stack of mulch... -- Chris Dukes |
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Jungle FeedRay , i took two readings one being 422 ppm other was 660 microsiemens .
To finish, i think what has put me off thinking the readings are wrong somehow is that the TDS is higher than i thought it would be @ 125 ppm N. Especially at every watering . i would normally peak @ approx 500ppm in summer then reduce ppm to a low of 250ppm in winter . I will stick to 0.75 -gallon and see what the results are ! I apologise if this has dragged on , but i needed to know what i was doing is correct to the recommended dosage. Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2b09$2a9f8d80$0201a8c0@fro... What's the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250-300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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If it makes you feel any better, The Greencare Orchid Special for RO
Water (the original so-called “MSU” fertilizer) contributes 1000µS to the EC at 125 ppm N. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray , i took two readings one being 422 ppm other was 660 microsiemens . To finish, i think what has put me off thinking the readings are wrong somehow is that the TDS is higher than i thought it would be @ 125 ppm N. Especially at every watering . i would normally peak @ approx 500ppm in summer then reduce ppm to a low of 250ppm in winter . I will stick to 0.75 -gallon and see what the results are ! I apologise if this has dragged on , but i needed to know what i was doing is correct to the recommended dosage. Cheers Keith |
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Jungle FeedRay
Do you reduce the feed rate for pleurophallids & slipper orchids Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2b09$2a9f8d80$0201a8c0@fro... What's the 660 m/sm? Why do you want to dilute it further? The recommended continuous feeding rate for the MSU RO formula is 125 ppm N. If your 0.75 tsp/gal gives you that, why change? Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:10 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed I have redone this @ 0.75 /gallon result is 422ppm/660 m/sm RO 6ppm So i am thinking if this was diluted to 7 litres i should be somewhere where i want to be around TDS 250-300 ppm and feeding @ every watering Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Sorry Ray , i am getting on my own nerves now !! Your calculator & MSU comes out at 0.73 teaspoons per gallon or 0.95 m/l per litre to achieve 125 ppm N. This seems high still as when i added 0.75 teaspoons per gallon the TDS was approx 650 ppm why ? as the calculator says it should be 258 ppm ,i no this doesn`t include the other elements ,but surely they don`t add up to 392 ppm This is using RO @ 6ppm Or is this TDS usually about right ? I will try again 0.73 in a gallon again and see what i get Thanks for the below i have printed it off & Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000c01ca2a7a$091888e0$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, A US gallon is 3.785 liters A US teaspoon is 4.93 milliliters An Imperial gallon is 4.546 liters An Imperial teaspoon is 5.92 milliliters 1 US teaspoon per US gallon is 4.93ml/3.785L = 1.302 ml/L 1 Imperial teaspoon per Imperial gallon is 5.92ml/4.546L = 1.302ml/L The ratio being identical means that 10 divided by the %N gives you the teaspoons per gallon to use for 125 ppm N, whether US or Imperial units. As you put one Imperial teaspoon in an Imperial gallon, you used 1/0.75=1.333, or one-third more than necessary, meaning that the solution you now have is about 125 x 1.333=167 ppm N, so all you have to do is dilute it to ¾ of its current concentration for use. You could take a quart of solution out and replace it with a quart of water, or if your mixing container is large enough, add a quart plus a cup of water to the gallon. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:32 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Ray is it as simple as converting 0.75 us teaspoon to uk teaspoon which is 1.0408427308 ( which is as good as 1 teaspoon yeh ?) then add this to a uk Gallon which is 4.5 UK litres What do you think ?,if i can get this right from the start then it will be easy from here .Phew ! Keith "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi RAY ,i am using a online conversion would you convert US gallon dry as the feed is powder form ? Thanks Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2a33$5dd8fa00$0201a8c0@fro... You are correct that you would add 1ml of a 13%N fertilizer to one liter (litre) of water. I'll leave the conversion to imperial gallons to you. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:24 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray , for ml/L msu is 13 % N divide x 13 is obviously 1 ml ? is this per litre so it is 4.5 ml per gallon water? it surely cannot be 1 ml a gallon . Cheers Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2115$50f47bb0$0201a8c0@fro... What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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