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Phal question??
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I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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Ben,
Two pieces of advice (to be confirmed or denied by others more expert than me): 1) I would think that if by removing the keiki you fear that you might endanger the mother plant, why not leave the keiki with the mother plant, sort of like Siamese Twins? I would think that as long as you observe both plants and they appear to be healthy, what is the harm of leaving them together? 2) You write "If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant??" I think if you soak the roots well in water for a while, they should become flexible enough so that you should be able to bend the root instead of breaking it, and then you could coil it in the pot perhaps. Best, Joanna "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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In essence you are letting the mother plant die while you are worrying about
a what to do with a keiki Ben, cut the damn thing off and toss it out. You already have another keiki that you say is doing well. Repot the mother plant. It won't have *any* chance without action on your part. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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I guess I try to put in too much detail; and lose what I am trying to
explain. If I cut off the keiki, the plant will have no apical meristem. My question concerns the fact that, the main stem extended into a spike on which formed the keiki formed. Will a new stem come from a leaf axil?? When a century plants blooms it dies because the bloom spike comes from the apical meristem. It then lives from new plants forming around the base. Will a Phal branch at the leaf axils or will cutting off the top kill it?? As of now the keiki is the top center of the plant. Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:A61Cb.502152$HS4.3875277@attbi_s01... In essence you are letting the mother plant die while you are worrying about a what to do with a keiki Ben, cut the damn thing off and toss it out. You already have another keiki that you say is doing well. Repot the mother plant. It won't have *any* chance without action on your part. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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Phals that grow inflorescences from the crown are more often than not
goners. If the keiki had a decent root system, I'd pot it up and be happy I still had that plant. The "mother' goes in the compost heap. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message link.net... I guess I try to put in too much detail; and lose what I am trying to explain. If I cut off the keiki, the plant will have no apical meristem. My question concerns the fact that, the main stem extended into a spike on which formed the keiki formed. Will a new stem come from a leaf axil?? When a century plants blooms it dies because the bloom spike comes from the apical meristem. It then lives from new plants forming around the base. Will a Phal branch at the leaf axils or will cutting off the top kill it?? As of now the keiki is the top center of the plant. Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:A61Cb.502152$HS4.3875277@attbi_s01... In essence you are letting the mother plant die while you are worrying about a what to do with a keiki Ben, cut the damn thing off and toss it out. You already have another keiki that you say is doing well. Repot the mother plant. It won't have *any* chance without action on your part. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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Ben, Could you post a photo of this on alt.binaries.pictures.orchids (or on a Web site, and provide us a link here). I would very much like to know what this looks like. Unless of course you have cut it off by now. Thanks, Joanna "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message link.net... I guess I try to put in too much detail; and lose what I am trying to explain. If I cut off the keiki, the plant will have no apical meristem. My question concerns the fact that, the main stem extended into a spike on which formed the keiki formed. Will a new stem come from a leaf axil?? When a century plants blooms it dies because the bloom spike comes from the apical meristem. It then lives from new plants forming around the base. Will a Phal branch at the leaf axils or will cutting off the top kill it?? As of now the keiki is the top center of the plant. Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:A61Cb.502152$HS4.3875277@attbi_s01... In essence you are letting the mother plant die while you are worrying about a what to do with a keiki Ben, cut the damn thing off and toss it out. You already have another keiki that you say is doing well. Repot the mother plant. It won't have *any* chance without action on your part. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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As Ray noted the plant that spikes from the crown usually is a goner.
Sometimes it will pup from the side, from a leaf axil. Usually , in my experience, that depends greatly on the health and vitality of the root system. A vigorous root system and the plant may pup. If its flagging, then no pup. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message link.net... I guess I try to put in too much detail; and lose what I am trying to explain. If I cut off the keiki, the plant will have no apical meristem. My question concerns the fact that, the main stem extended into a spike on which formed the keiki formed. Will a new stem come from a leaf axil?? When a century plants blooms it dies because the bloom spike comes from the apical meristem. It then lives from new plants forming around the base. Will a Phal branch at the leaf axils or will cutting off the top kill it?? As of now the keiki is the top center of the plant. Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:A61Cb.502152$HS4.3875277@attbi_s01... In essence you are letting the mother plant die while you are worrying about a what to do with a keiki Ben, cut the damn thing off and toss it out. You already have another keiki that you say is doing well. Repot the mother plant. It won't have *any* chance without action on your part. K Barrett "Ben Lurkin" wrote in message ink.net... I wish to begin by thanking several of you for answering dozens of questions someone else asked for me. I have been keeping orchids for a few years. Whenever I have a question I subscribe to this group and read it for several months learn a great deal; get my question answered and get busy forget to read this group. This time I returned a couple of months ago with several questions and most have been answered. But I still have a couple. I have three cats I purchased at an orchid show in St. Louis a couple years ago and a variety of Home Depot plants. I have several that need repotting; one of them has me puzzled. Last year I bought several orchids at Home Depot between Thanksgiving and Christmas at 75% off as they were "through blooming" One of them was a white Phal with three spikes that were divided and two of them divided again. There were several layers of roots covering the planting mix. I left the spikes on the plant and gave it tender loving care and it soon had 15 blooms on it. All the roots above the potting mix died. It continued to bloom until I went on vacation in June. Ten days without water and it was through blooming. It produced two keikis 14 inches up the spikes. One of which has been potted and is doing good. The planting medium is pretty rotten and it is staying wet two long. Now, here is the problem. The remaining keikie [SP?] is located on an extension of the main stem. It is 12 inches between the last leaf and the keikie It has one leaf 11 inches long and two shorter ones. It has three roots 7 to 10 inches long and one shorter one. If the plant is to survive, the main stem must branch or put out a side shoot. My experience is small but I have never seen a Phal with a forked stem. Does the mother plant have any chance? If I remove this keikie how do I deal with it? I certainly do not want to put it in a pot 10 inches deep. Do I break off the roots and pray for new ones?? Should I break them off now and let them heal and let it start new ones, before I remove it from the mother plant?? Thanks again for help in the past and thank you for any advise you can give not. Ben |
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"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news Ben, Could you post a photo of this on alt.binaries.pictures.orchids (or on a Web site, and provide us a link here). I would very much like to know what this looks like. Unless of course you have cut it off by now. Thanks, Joanna Unfortunately my camera is on the fritz. I do think I can draw a word picture if you are willing to read carefully. The pot is 6 1//2 inches in diameter. The first 6 leaves are typical Phal. The base of each leaf wrapping the stem and the base of the leaf above. There was an inch of stem between the sixth and seventh leaves. The leaves are about a foot long. The main stem then grew into a spike with two small leaves below the point of branch where the keiki formed. There are 14 inches of stem between the seventh leaf and the branch/keiki. There were two more spikes each of which branched twice. A total of 5 stems at the top. The plant had 18 to 25 flowers on it all last winter. For most of you a white Phal all winter is probably kind of boring. But for me this is far more flowers than I have ever had on an orchid and my wife enjoys the corsages. |
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"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news Ben, Could you post a photo of this on alt.binaries.pictures.orchids (or on a Web site, and provide us a link here). I would very much like to know what this looks like. Unless of course you have cut it off by now. Thanks, Joanna Unfortunately my camera is on the fritz. I do think I can draw a word picture if you are willing to read carefully. The pot is 6 1//2 inches in diameter. The first 6 leaves are typical Phal. The base of each leaf wrapping the stem and the base of the leaf above. There was an inch of stem between the sixth and seventh leaves. The leaves are about a foot long. The main stem then grew into a spike with two small leaves below the point of branch where the keiki formed. There are 14 inches of stem between the seventh leaf and the branch/keiki. There were two more spikes each of which branched twice. A total of 5 stems at the top. The plant had 18 to 25 flowers on it all last winter. For most of you a white Phal all winter is probably kind of boring. But for me this is far more flowers than I have ever had on an orchid and my wife enjoys the corsages. |
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Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and
potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this. If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot???? Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:y8mCb.318478$Dw6.1089751@attbi_s02... As Ray noted the plant that spikes from the crown usually is a goner. Sometimes it will pup from the side, from a leaf axil. Usually , in my experience, that depends greatly on the health and vitality of the root system. A vigorous root system and the plant may pup. If its flagging, then no pup. K Barrett |
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Phal question??
Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and
potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this. If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot???? Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:y8mCb.318478$Dw6.1089751@attbi_s02... As Ray noted the plant that spikes from the crown usually is a goner. Sometimes it will pup from the side, from a leaf axil. Usually , in my experience, that depends greatly on the health and vitality of the root system. A vigorous root system and the plant may pup. If its flagging, then no pup. K Barrett |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:02:58 GMT, "Ben Lurkin"
wrote: Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this. If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot???? Ben Generally, if Mom Pups it is a dying breath kind of thing. You will try to keep Mom's roots going until the pup has a system of its own and Mom will gradually fade away. When you repot Mom will just be a small pike of roots and a dead stump. So talk kindly to Mom and maybe she will pull thru. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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"J Fortuna" wrote in message
news Ben, Could you post a photo of this on alt.binaries.pictures.orchids (or on a Web site, and provide us a link here). I would very much like to know what this looks like. Unless of course you have cut it off by now. Thanks, Joanna Unfortunately my camera is on the fritz. I do think I can draw a word picture if you are willing to read carefully. The pot is 6 1//2 inches in diameter. The first 6 leaves are typical Phal. The base of each leaf wrapping the stem and the base of the leaf above. There was an inch of stem between the sixth and seventh leaves. The leaves are about a foot long. The main stem then grew into a spike with two small leaves below the point of branch where the keiki formed. There are 14 inches of stem between the seventh leaf and the branch/keiki. There were two more spikes each of which branched twice. A total of 5 stems at the top. The plant had 18 to 25 flowers on it all last winter. For most of you a white Phal all winter is probably kind of boring. But for me this is far more flowers than I have ever had on an orchid and my wife enjoys the corsages. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:02:58 GMT, "Ben Lurkin"
wrote: Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this. If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot???? Ben Generally, if Mom Pups it is a dying breath kind of thing. You will try to keep Mom's roots going until the pup has a system of its own and Mom will gradually fade away. When you repot Mom will just be a small pike of roots and a dead stump. So talk kindly to Mom and maybe she will pull thru. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and
potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this. If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot???? Ben "K Barrett" wrote in message news:y8mCb.318478$Dw6.1089751@attbi_s02... As Ray noted the plant that spikes from the crown usually is a goner. Sometimes it will pup from the side, from a leaf axil. Usually , in my experience, that depends greatly on the health and vitality of the root system. A vigorous root system and the plant may pup. If its flagging, then no pup. K Barrett |
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