On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:02:58 GMT, "Ben Lurkin"
wrote:

Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and
potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this.



If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them and
compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot????



Ben

Generally, if Mom Pups it is a dying breath kind of thing. You
will try to keep Mom's roots going until the pup has a system of
its own and Mom will gradually fade away. When you repot Mom
will just be a small pike of roots and a dead stump. So talk
kindly to Mom and maybe she will pull thru.


SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

"Susan Erickson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:02:58 GMT, "Ben Lurkin"
wrote:

Thanks to both of you for the information. I removed the keiki today and
potted it and repotted the mother plant. One more question about this.



If the mother plant forms pups, will it be best to try and remove them
and
compost the mother or should I plan on a larger pot????



Ben

Generally, if Mom Pups it is a dying breath kind of thing. You
will try to keep Mom's roots going until the pup has a system of
its own and Mom will gradually fade away. When you repot Mom
will just be a small pike of roots and a dead stump. So talk
kindly to Mom and maybe she will pull thru.


SuE
http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php

Ditto.

K Barrett

I agree with all that has been said about plants going 'tubular' due to
culture problems. But from what I've seen Phals can go "tubular" for a
variety of other reasons.

Based on what I have seen, going tubular in some cases is just a natural
part of the plant's growth cycle and should be expected. I find many
Doritis and Kingidium species have this sort of growth habit where they will
only bloom off a plant a few times in the normal fashion before going
tubular and then sending out multiple new growths. These new growths
develop to blooming size quickly (as little as a year) and the whole cycle
is repeated. With these plants, it just does not take many years before
they have established themselves into a large clump or you have a bench full
of divisions. I do not find this growth habit very common with Phals as
described by Sweet, but I have seen a similar but slower growth cycle with
some aphrodite, venosa, and equestis plants. I posted a picture on ABPO of
a Drlla Nina (Drlla = Doritis X Kingidium) which has this type of growth
habit and has been allowed to grow without being divided.

I also see a fair number of tubular Phals which have come out of cloning or
stem propping. Typically these plant's first blooming come out as tubular.
In some cases this going tubular is just one of the problems that is showing
up as a result of bad cloning work. But in other cases, these plants put up
a new growth while in tubular bloom that when grown out always blooms
normal. On ABPO I posted a picture of a Phal Cassandra stem prop. It's
first blooming was tubular. But as can be seen in the picture the new
growth is sending out a normal bloom spike.

A couple of years back I had a large batch of a single clone that I was
growing in two different greenhouses. When the plants came into bloom, the
plants in one greenhouse basically all bloomed normal while maybe a third of
the plants in the other greenhouse bloomed tubular. The only difference in
the treatment of the plants that I can remember is the plants in the
greenhouse that bloomed tubular got some extra fungicide treatments. I do
not know if this was the cause or not.

Pat

Pat,
Could you define "going tubular" please -- since it is in response to this
thread I assume that it refers to either
a) growing a spike from the center of the crown
or
b) having pups (are those the same thing as "basal keikis"?)

Sorry, I am still learning some of the orchid lingo. Recently came across
the term "fasciation" which I had never heard before --for those of you who
have not either, check out the article at http://tinyurl.com/zl62 (or
URL:http://orchidweb.org/publications/bu...asciation.html)

Thanks for helping me out with the terminology here,
Joanna

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
...
I agree with all that has been said about plants going 'tubular' due to
culture problems. But from what I've seen Phals can go "tubular" for a
variety of other reasons.

Based on what I have seen, going tubular in some cases is just a natural
part of the plant's growth cycle and should be expected. I find many
Doritis and Kingidium species have this sort of growth habit where they
will
only bloom off a plant a few times in the normal fashion before going
tubular and then sending out multiple new growths. These new growths
develop to blooming size quickly (as little as a year) and the whole cycle
is repeated. With these plants, it just does not take many years before
they have established themselves into a large clump or you have a bench
full
of divisions. I do not find this growth habit very common with Phals as
described by Sweet, but I have seen a similar but slower growth cycle with
some aphrodite, venosa, and equestis plants. I posted a picture on ABPO
of
a Drlla Nina (Drlla = Doritis X Kingidium) which has this type of growth
habit and has been allowed to grow without being divided.

I also see a fair number of tubular Phals which have come out of cloning
or
stem propping. Typically these plant's first blooming come out as
tubular.
In some cases this going tubular is just one of the problems that is
showing
up as a result of bad cloning work. But in other cases, these plants put
up
a new growth while in tubular bloom that when grown out always blooms
normal. On ABPO I posted a picture of a Phal Cassandra stem prop. It's
first blooming was tubular. But as can be seen in the picture the new
growth is sending out a normal bloom spike.

A couple of years back I had a large batch of a single clone that I was
growing in two different greenhouses. When the plants came into bloom,
the
plants in one greenhouse basically all bloomed normal while maybe a third
of
the plants in the other greenhouse bloomed tubular. The only difference
in
the treatment of the plants that I can remember is the plants in the
greenhouse that bloomed tubular got some extra fungicide treatments. I do
not know if this was the cause or not.

Pat

Joanna,

By tubular, I mean spike from the crown. Not sure where I picked up the
term or if it commonly used.

In this thread 'pups' are being used to describe basal keikis. In my post I
referred to basal keikis a new growths. I have 5 dogs and want no more.

Pat

"J Fortuna" wrote in message
...
Pat,
Could you define "going tubular" please -- since it is in response to this
thread I assume that it refers to either
a) growing a spike from the center of the crown
or
b) having pups (are those the same thing as "basal keikis"?)

Sorry, I am still learning some of the orchid lingo. Recently came across
the term "fasciation" which I had never heard before --for those of you
who
have not either, check out the article at http://tinyurl.com/zl62 (or

URL:http://orchidweb.org/publications/bu...asciation.html)

Thanks for helping me out with the terminology here,
Joanna

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
...
I agree with all that has been said about plants going 'tubular' due to
culture problems. But from what I've seen Phals can go "tubular" for
a
variety of other reasons.

Based on what I have seen, going tubular in some cases is just a natural
part of the plant's growth cycle and should be expected. I find many
Doritis and Kingidium species have this sort of growth habit where they
will
only bloom off a plant a few times in the normal fashion before going
tubular and then sending out multiple new growths. These new growths
develop to blooming size quickly (as little as a year) and the whole
cycle
is repeated. With these plants, it just does not take many years before
they have established themselves into a large clump or you have a bench
full
of divisions. I do not find this growth habit very common with Phals as
described by Sweet, but I have seen a similar but slower growth cycle
with
some aphrodite, venosa, and equestis plants. I posted a picture on ABPO
of
a Drlla Nina (Drlla = Doritis X Kingidium) which has this type of growth
habit and has been allowed to grow without being divided.

I also see a fair number of tubular Phals which have come out of cloning
or
stem propping. Typically these plant's first blooming come out as
tubular.
In some cases this going tubular is just one of the problems that is
showing
up as a result of bad cloning work. But in other cases, these plants
put
up
a new growth while in tubular bloom that when grown out always blooms
normal. On ABPO I posted a picture of a Phal Cassandra stem prop. It's
first blooming was tubular. But as can be seen in the picture the new
growth is sending out a normal bloom spike.

A couple of years back I had a large batch of a single clone that I was
growing in two different greenhouses. When the plants came into bloom,
the
plants in one greenhouse basically all bloomed normal while maybe a
third
of
the plants in the other greenhouse bloomed tubular. The only difference
in
the treatment of the plants that I can remember is the plants in the
greenhouse that bloomed tubular got some extra fungicide treatments. I
do
not know if this was the cause or not.

Pat