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Ditto, my apologies for the earlier post. No more politics from me.
-M "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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No, I wouldn't truly say that. It's just that the current administration
has really kicked the civil-liberty-trodding into a higher gear, in my opinion. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... "Ray" wrote in message ... But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place. I agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I say "puppeteers." Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the "puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration ;) Mariana |
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No, I wouldn't truly say that. It's just that the current administration
has really kicked the civil-liberty-trodding into a higher gear, in my opinion. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... "Ray" wrote in message ... But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place. I agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I say "puppeteers." Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the "puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration ;) Mariana |
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I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby, There, I differ with you. If sharing the same opinions, politically or otherwise, was a criteria for any kind of relationship, personal or commercial, then my favorite sister and I would never speak to each other again! Diana |
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Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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No, I wouldn't truly say that. It's just that the current administration
has really kicked the civil-liberty-trodding into a higher gear, in my opinion. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... "Ray" wrote in message ... But Geir. You're assuming that the charges are valid in the first place. I agree with Tennis that the "innocent until proven guilty" theorem is being badly trodden in this country under George II and his cronies, or should I say "puppeteers." Hey Ray, you're saying this as if this kind of abuse, together with the "puppeteers" didn't exist during the Clinton administration ;) Mariana |
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Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a
gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby, There, I differ with you. If sharing the same opinions, politically or otherwise, was a criteria for any kind of relationship, personal or commercial, then my favorite sister and I would never speak to each other again! Diana |
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Ditto, my apologies for the earlier post. No more politics from me.
-M "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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I beg to differ. I most certainly will. It does not matter to me what an
orchid supplier's political outlook is. What's important is that I like the orchids being sold by that orchid vendor.... Mariana "Bobby Baxter" wrote in message . com... Diana, you got it right. This thread is kinda taking the fun out of a gardening forum since we do not expect to get into politics when we visit this forum. I also believe some people will not purchase in the future from certain vendors because of their comments. Bobby Baxter http://thegardensite.com "Diana Kulaga" wrote in message ink.net... I have strong opinions on the thoughts and accusations in this thread, so I'm sorely tempted to get into this, but..........nah. Not worth the loss of camaradarie. Diana |
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True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't
add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't
add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't
add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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I suppose it depends on if you think what happened in Florida
is considered an incident. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley" wrote in Message-Id: iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01: I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, There was a previous incident involving George Norris? |
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Crystal,
My only concern related to the "stringency" with which the inspection stations work has to do with their experience with orchids. I can tell you from personal experience that some know what they're doing better than others. In some cases, clusters of pseudobulbs were torn apart before the formerly-specimen-plants got to me, while in others, they look like they took a course from me on orchid handling and packing. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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The difference is not only in their handling of plants -- as to which my
experience is similar to Ray's -- but in their understanding of the actual laws and regulations. I once made the mistake of calling to find out if I needed CITES docs to ship to a US possession [Guam]; the person I spoke to insisted that I did, and faxed me the regs upon which he was relying -- which stated, as clearly as gov't docs get, on the very first page, that I did not. Although the sale that I lost as a result would have been a nice one, it wasn't big enough to "fight city hall" over. [And although it wouldn't have mattered under the language of the regs, the orchids in question were not species, or even primary hybrids, so there was literally ZERO possibility that they could have been wild-collected.] -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Ray" wrote in message ... Crystal, My only concern related to the "stringency" with which the inspection stations work has to do with their experience with orchids. I can tell you from personal experience that some know what they're doing better than others. In some cases, clusters of pseudobulbs were torn apart before the formerly-specimen-plants got to me, while in others, they look like they took a course from me on orchid handling and packing. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:56:46 GMT, "House of Paisley"
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 21:50:56 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
wrote in Message-Id: : A repost of a link that was posted to Orchid Spring Discussion Board. http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...al/8118304.htm] I found this information interesting: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:21:34 -1000 From: "Bill Bergstrom" To: "Orchid" Subject: [OGD] Arias Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Some of what you have been told about the arrest of Manuel Arias Silva in Miami, some not quite true. George arrive at the show and so did all the plants (quite legal) No Manuel..After extensive phoning Manuel was found to be incarcerated. George went there and was denied any info or visit (typical now days..same as Pepe) The idea was to keep him there in jail indefinitely..No bail, no phone calls no hearing (I guess) George and his wife (in the legal business) turned that all around. They eventually set it up for Manuel (one of the dearest people you would ever want to know..frail,,in terrible health) to be released to Georges custody..In Texas...The prosecution screamed..but bail was set..HOWEVER..he is still cooped up until Monday..Weekend and all that..even though the procedure was finished early Fri. (or so I am told) No charges were totally defined but plenty discovered. NO Kovachii involved..merely Phrags in general and the whole thing going back as long as ten years ago. I had previously heard that it had to do with mislabeling a plant (according to F &W) and maybe because plants of Phrag caudatum Sanderae were labeled falsely as caudatum...If so..F&W is way off base..They are one and the same and, in fact, no one is even calling the plant Sanderae at all anymore..(I guess like the plants I used to sell as Peruviana and Amazonica...names just dissolved away) Point being that much is to be known if, in fact, there are 80 counts against him as I heard..Further..rumor has it that plants were shipped with a Maxillaria designation...The Miami local paper has a longer account..very much filled with damning evidence...It looks bad for both George and Manuel if true..Story has it that George is also to be indicted when he goes home..hopefully with Manuel, who that had evidently hoped to keep in jail to provide info against George..You know...Get him to squeal..or never see the light of day or another Peruvian sunset...What was the name of that book George Orwell put out.??? Hell Cant remember..that time has passed..Or has it? Lastly..from what I hear..A knight in armor has appeared and a lawyer showed up at the show and offered to help Manuel..A lawyer who loves and is quite familiar with Orchids...A definite plus for the situation...We will be hearing about this for a long time to come I fear...I can tell you this for certain. I have known Manuel for 25 years and a finer, more respectable man you will never meet..George and I have had our differences through the years..but I have never heard a breath of his attempting to sell illegal stuff (though the news article says there is evidence that he did) You can take things out of context when you read between the lines on that article...Were they illegal (by someone's standard) Phrags he was discussing in his messages (somehow obtained..hundreds of them) to Manuel..or simply instructions on how to get every day Orchids easily and quickly through the paper work..Only time will tell...My fears are that it is not the actual situation we should be shuddering about..but the process that has brought it about and what that means to our rights and to our privacy. Bill ------------------------------ |
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I'm no orchid vendor, just a small time orchid grower, so I don't really
know which entry points in the USA are tighter on plant inspection. I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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I'm no orchid vendor, just a small time orchid grower, so I don't really
know which entry points in the USA are tighter on plant inspection. I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message .net...
I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana Yabbut that's is a totally different situation. Fortunately, we're not at the point where one needs CITES certificates to take listed plants from state to state. Hawaii isn't a foreign country and NY doesn't worry very much about interstate plant movement from a phytosanitary standpoint. I'm sure Arizona or California would have been very interested if one of those states were your final destination, since they have very strict phytosanitary laws/regs. MG |
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"GrlIntrpted" wrote in message .net...
I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana Yabbut that's is a totally different situation. Fortunately, we're not at the point where one needs CITES certificates to take listed plants from state to state. Hawaii isn't a foreign country and NY doesn't worry very much about interstate plant movement from a phytosanitary standpoint. I'm sure Arizona or California would have been very interested if one of those states were your final destination, since they have very strict phytosanitary laws/regs. MG |
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Mariana,
They didn't care because you were bringing them from within the US - hence, were not "importing" them. Had you been coming in from another country, or even TO Hawaii from elsewhere in the US, it would have been a vastly different situation. Vendor or personal import has little to do with it. In fact, an importation coming to a vendor might get less inspection, as it is often thought (rightly or wrongly) that resellers are smart enough to order from a really clean exporter. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... I'm no orchid vendor, just a small time orchid grower, so I don't really know which entry points in the USA are tighter on plant inspection. I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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I completely respect yours and Rays frustration. Certainly
things can always be improved, and I am not an apologist for the government. Having said that, it is hard to realistically see how the system can be vastly improved. Export countries seem to change their rules whenever they want, there is a bazillion plants of every kind coming into the country. Constant genus changes. Cripes, I cant even call my phone company and get the same answer twice. To me, generally I can't really even find a consistent online source for genus information. Half the time when I consider buying a plant from an importer like George I have to look through pages and pages just to find a small line on the 34th link to see that it has had a genus change, or is also known under a couple of different names and have to plug them all in to find out what the heck it is. Sadly I think the problem will only get worse with more and more types of plants being found and cross-shipped to everywhere on earth. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "Kenni Judd" wrote in message . .. The difference is not only in their handling of plants -- as to which my experience is similar to Ray's -- but in their understanding of the actual laws and regulations. I once made the mistake of calling to find out if I needed CITES docs to ship to a US possession [Guam]; the person I spoke to insisted that I did, and faxed me the regs upon which he was relying -- which stated, as clearly as gov't docs get, on the very first page, that I did not. Although the sale that I lost as a result would have been a nice one, it wasn't big enough to "fight city hall" over. [And although it wouldn't have mattered under the language of the regs, the orchids in question were not species, or even primary hybrids, so there was literally ZERO possibility that they could have been wild-collected.] -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Ray" wrote in message ... Crystal, My only concern related to the "stringency" with which the inspection stations work has to do with their experience with orchids. I can tell you from personal experience that some know what they're doing better than others. In some cases, clusters of pseudobulbs were torn apart before the formerly-specimen-plants got to me, while in others, they look like they took a course from me on orchid handling and packing. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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Oh I am well aware that CITES regulations apply in situations where plants
are being brought from other countries. However, I still feel that they should have inspected the contents of the boxes, after all it is possible to bring in plants that are on the CITES list from other states. Furthermore, it would be wise to at least put the plants through inspection simply to determine that they are pest free. Mariana "Ray" wrote in message ... Mariana, They didn't care because you were bringing them from within the US - hence, were not "importing" them. Had you been coming in from another country, or even TO Hawaii from elsewhere in the US, it would have been a vastly different situation. Vendor or personal import has little to do with it. In fact, an importation coming to a vendor might get less inspection, as it is often thought (rightly or wrongly) that resellers are smart enough to order from a really clean exporter. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... I'm no orchid vendor, just a small time orchid grower, so I don't really know which entry points in the USA are tighter on plant inspection. I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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Oh I am well aware that CITES regulations apply in situations where plants
are being brought from other countries. However, I still feel that they should have inspected the contents of the boxes, after all it is possible to bring in plants that are on the CITES list from other states. Furthermore, it would be wise to at least put the plants through inspection simply to determine that they are pest free. Mariana "Ray" wrote in message ... Mariana, They didn't care because you were bringing them from within the US - hence, were not "importing" them. Had you been coming in from another country, or even TO Hawaii from elsewhere in the US, it would have been a vastly different situation. Vendor or personal import has little to do with it. In fact, an importation coming to a vendor might get less inspection, as it is often thought (rightly or wrongly) that resellers are smart enough to order from a really clean exporter. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . . . . . . . . . . . "GrlIntrpted" wrote in message . net... I'm no orchid vendor, just a small time orchid grower, so I don't really know which entry points in the USA are tighter on plant inspection. I can however tell you that when I brought my orchids from Hawai'i to the mainland, and informed the authorities (both when leaving Hawai'i as well as when I got to NY) that I am bringing orchids with me, they didn't even want to look in the boxes, in fact, they asked for no paperwork at all. Now, I didn't bring anything that "shouldn't" be in my collection, but I found it very odd that they could care less about what was inside of the boxes.... Mariana "House of Paisley" wrote in message news:iHm3c.508962$I06.5523810@attbi_s01... True or untrue, there is something about this story that doesn't add up to me. I gave George the benefit of the doubt after the last incident, but am finding it harder to do so now. If I were in his position I would have wanted my shipments to go through the most stringent import station and specifically requested my imports be thoroughly inspected to avert further attention. Sure it would take longer, but there are other vendors where it takes months to get through the inspection process. I do have to say in his defense that I specifically check each plant I buy from any vendor to make sure it isn't a cites problem and none that I considered buying from his lists seemed to be restricted, but I don't check every plant on his lists, and don't buy Paphs. So take from that what you will. Crystal -- http://home.comcast.net/~xtals/orchid.htm "David Fouchey" wrote in message ... I was working under the assunmption the charges are likely true. If not then I hope he is exonerated. BUT when it comes to fols who ARE guilty of wholesale rampaging through wild stock I have no pity or use for them. MY Humble opinion of course. And Ray I agreee with you on Dubya but this is not the proper forum for that discussion! G Dave |
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HOWDY BUCKAROOS, AFTER MUCH SILENCE, I GUESS I OWE ALL OF YOU SOME KIND OF EXPLANATION OR AT LEAST, OUR SIDE OF THIS STORY. BEAR IN MIND THAT MY EMAILS ARE STILL BEING READ AND MY PHONE PROBABLY TAPPED AND OUR ATTORNEYS HAVE ADVISED THAT WE SHOULD NOT COMMENT ON THIS PROBLEM UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED. HERE THEN IS THE CURRENT SITUATION AS WE KNOW IT. LAST TUESDAY WHEN MANUEL ARIAS CAME TO MIAMI FOR THE ORCHID SHOW, HE WAS DETAINED BY THE IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES ON A WARRANT FROM US FISH AND WILDLIFE. HE WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO THE FEDERAL DETENTION FACILITY IN MIAMI AND NOT ALLOWED EVEN A PHONE CALL. WE HAD TO SPEND 2 DAYS PHONING EVERYONE THERE TO LOCATE HIM AND THEN WE WERE NOT PERMITTED TO SEE OR SPEAK TO HIM. THE FIRST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO SEE HIM WAS AT HIS BOND HEARING. NOW THIS IS A MAN WHO WILL BE 70 YEARS OLD IN MAY, DIABETIC, WITH HEART TROUBLES, FRAIL AND CURRENTLY HAVING SERIOUS TROUBLES WITH ARTHRITIS IN HIS SHOULDERS TO WHERE HE CAN NOT LIFT EITHER ARM. HE WAS PUT IN SHACKLES, FED JAIL FOOD WHICH HE COULD NOT EAT, SLEPT ON A COT AND TREATED VERY POORLY. WE WERE ABLE TO POST A BOND TO HAVE HIM RELEASED TO OUR CUSTODY AND BROUGHT HIM BACK TO TEXAS TO AWAIT HIS NEXT HEARING. HIS BOND TO OUR CUSTODY INVOLES FORFITURE OF MY HOME, CARS, BOATS, DOGS AND FIRST BORN. I HAVE LET MY DAUGHTER KNOW AND SHE IS NOT HAPPY. I AM IN A WORLD OF SH--!!!! IT APPEARS I TOO WILL BE SHORTLY INDICTED. REPORTS IN THE MIAMI NEWSPAPER ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED AND APPEAR TO BE LEAKED BY THE FWS. IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL BOTH BE CHARGED WITH BASICALLY CONSPIRACY TO EXPORT AND IMPORT ORCHIDS ON APPENDIX I WITHOUT THE PROPER DOCUMENTS. THE FACT IS THAT THE APPENDIX I PLANTS ARE ALL ARTIFICIALLY PROPAGATED AND THEREFORE THE APPENDIX I REGULATIONS DO NOT APPLY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE SOURCE OF ALL THIS IS ONE OF MY OWN CUSTOMERS WHO TURNED ME IN AND THEN PARTICIPATED IN A GOVERNMENT STING TO GET ME. THIS IS THEIR STAR WITNESS AND WE WILL BE GETTING THIS PERSON'S NAME AND LET EVERYONE KNOW WHO IT IS. I CAN'T BELIEVE ONE OF MY OWN CUSTOMERS WOULD DO THIS TO ME......Y'ALL HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SO GOOD TO ME AND SO LOYAL. THAT HURTS MORE THAN ANYTHING. HOWEVER IT MAY PALE IN COMPARISON TO JAIL TIME. WE HAVE BOTH SPENT IN EXCESS OF $25,000 IN ATTORNEY FEES NOT TO MENTION MANY OTHER EXPENSES. ATTORNEYS FEEL THAT OUR BEST COURSE IS TO ACCEPT A PLEA TO SOME CHARGE THAT ALLOW US A MINIMUM OF JAIL TIME AND FINES. WHILE I AM A FIGHTER, THIS LOOKS LIKE A MORE REASONABLE COURSE OF ACTION. THE FEDS HAVE UNLIMITED RESOURCES AND IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGHT THEM. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET OUT WITH SOMETHING LESS THAN A FELONY AS IT WOULD TAKE ALL MY RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN AWAY. IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT THING TO BE ADDED TO THE APPENDIX I WILL BE ORCHID VENDORS PROBABLY FOLLOWED BY ORCHID COLLECTORS. THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED BUT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ME THAT WILL DO IT. IT LOOKS LIKE I AM NOW "ROAD KILL", JUST A DARK SPOT ON THE ROAD AFTER THE FEDERAL STEAMROLLER HAS PASSED BY. THIS MAY BREAK ME FINANCIALLY AND WE MIGHT HAVE TO JUST FOLD OUR ORCHID TENT AND DISAPPEAR INTO THE SUNSET. BUT IT WAS FUN WHILE IT LASTED. SO AT THIS TIME I AWAIT A WARRENT BEING ISSUED FOR ME AND MY ATTORNEY WILL SURRENDER ME TO FEDERAL AUTHORITIES WHERE I CAN POST A POST, PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF THAT LEVIED AGAIN A COLOMBIAN DRUG DEALER.....I AM A REAL THREAT TO THE EXISTANCE OF THIS COUNTRY. THEY ARE TRYING TO OFFER ME A BETTER DEAL IF I WILL SQUEAL ON THE REALLY BAD GUYS THAT THEY CAN'T SEEM TO FIND. LIKE THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN. I CAN JUST HOPE THEY HAVE ORANGE JUMPSUITS IN MY SIZE......I AM GUESSING THEY WON'T HAVE KING-SIZE BEDS AT "CLUB FED". ANY OF YOU WHO CAN WRITE IN SPANISH MIGHT CONSIDER SENDING MESSAGES OF SUPPORT TO MANUEL HERE IN MY HOME . HE IS DEPRESSED ABOUT ALL THIS AND CERTAINLY OVERWHELMED BY HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE AND FOREIGN COURT SYSTEM. HE IS A MARVELOUS GENTLEMAN AND LETTERS OF SUPPORT HE CAN READ HAVE RAISED HIS SPIRITS WHEN WE HAVE RECEIVED THEM. PLEASE TAKE JUST A MINUTE AND WRITE HIM IF YOU CAN. THIS IS IT FOR NOW, GOOD GROWING, THE OLD ORCHID FELON |
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