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Thanks for the complement. I am happy you (and hopefully others) find
it useful. The small project of indexing our own small collection of orchid books (about 170 at last count) to help my wife find a picture seems to have gotten out of hand over the last few years. I sometimes wonder whether I should keep doing it since it takes a lot of time. Comments like yours tell me it is worth continuing to do. As far as the few hits go, I am sure there are a lot of reasons - not the least of which is that FCC's are few and far between to begin with. Also, I have learned, from typing over 120,000 records, that even though pretty clear guidelines or rules exist for typing the name of a plant, they are often not followed, even by people and organizations that should know better. Plants that have been awarded sometimes appear in picture lables without the award designation, either because the book was printed before the plant was awarded or the author and publisher simply didn't put it in. Of the 120,212 records in the database, only 1,976 of them have the string FCC in them and of course that is not 1,976 different plants because pictures of some plants appear many times (e.g. Blc. Malworth 'Orchidglade' appears 29 times with the FCC designation but is in the database 35 times in total including once with no award designation at all. Also, when the plant is awarded by multiple organizations, the way it is shown in the label may vary. A common way seems to be FCC/AOS-RHS or FCC/RHS-AOS but I have also seen it printed as FCC/AOS, FCC/RHS and the variations go on from there. The lack of consistancy makes it difficult to find all the hits without doing multiple searches and without being clairvoyant enough to guess all the search strings to use. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:54:27 GMT, "Gene Schurg" wrote: Bob, First of all...great site you have. I use it often to check names of plants and where to go to find a picture. My point of this thread is that I would expect that a plant awarded an FCC from the RHS (or other group) should also score very high by other organizations. At least that is what I thought until this discussion. I find it interesting that a search of your files only yielded a short list of plants with FCCs from both organizations. It appears that a plant with an FCC from AOS may not get equal consideration by the RHS and vice versa. Not that any of this really matters in the big scheme of things....just interesting observation. Good Growing, Gene "Bob Betts" wrote in message ... I don't know how often the AOS and other organizaitons award and FCC to the same clone but it is not unheard of. A quick search of my picture reference database found pictures for 11 different plants given FCC's by both the AOS and RHS. That doesn't include plants which received FCC's from both organizations, but were not labeled with both in the book or catalogue at the time of publication of the picture. The plants I found we Angulocaste Tudor 'Bill Rinaman' Brassolaeliacattleya. Norman's Bay 'Low' Cymbidium Bourgondian 'Chateau' or 'Chateaux' Doritaenopsis Red Coral 'Fuschia' Laelia tenebrosa 'Walton Grange' Paphiopedilum Winston Churchill 'Redoubtable' Phragmipedium Memoria Dick Clements 'Jersey' Sophrolaeliocattleya. Falcon 'Alexanderi' Sophrolaeliocattleya. Falcon 'Westonbirt' Vuylstekeara Cambria 'Plush' Vuylstekeara Edna 'Stamperland' On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:53:32 GMT, "Gene Schurg" wrote: Susan, I'm not sure I understand your point. If a plant gets an FCC/RHS then AOS judges will pass on scoring it? If this is what you are saying then is an FCC/RHS as "valuable" as an FCC/AOS? Somehow it doesn't seem that way. Gene "Susan Erickson" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:36:36 GMT, "J Fortuna" wrote: P.S.: Another thought: "K Barrett" wrote in message news:9npqd.110410$5K2.16436@attbi_s03... If you looked in Wildcatt for previous AOS awards remember that Wildcatt doesn't include any of the awards from the Register of Awards (the RA). So there's a whole mess o' previous awards that aren't listed. Both Kath and Joanna have points. I am going to try for another couple. Ever been the second to say something is beautiful? Most people don't want to reinforce another's position. So most judges will pass on a plant that has a high award or a reasonably high award. They will think they are not going to score the plant higher, so it is a waste of time to score it. Sometimes it is a case of "that is such an old cross we should be looking for something new and better." Few stop to ask if there is new and if it is better. All that said... Joanna's point that RHS and AOS judging is different. RHS judging never looks at the flower (even in ribbon judging) until the plant has pasted muster. If the plant is not in good shape the flower can not be at it's best. I recently ribbon judged with an RHS judge on our judging team. It was very interesting. Kath said it took one judge to nominate something for scoring. It also often takes one nay sayer to stop a judging. If one of the senior judges says something very negative about a breeding line, plant age, or style, often the process will stall. It is after all an educated opinion of the condition of the flower and/or plant on a specific day at a specific time in the bloom cycle of the plant. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
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