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newsgroup reader/ changing browsers
Hi all,
OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett |
"K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. Hi K, Changing your reader from OE doesn't fix the problem of your ISP changing Usenet access. Except for the problem of changing your email address, maybe you'd be better off changing ISPs. If you look for a new ISP, I recommend Verizon. As a freelance writer and photographer, I travel a lot and have never been anywhere I couldn't get a local access number for dial-up connection. Verizon also gives me access to every newsgroup. I use MS Outlook which invokes OExpress for a news reader, but not email. I use the tools and rules features to cut down on SPAM and reject obnoxious posters. Virus and worms are dealt with by Norton Anti-Virus which automatically checks (in the background) for updates every time I go online and forces an update weekly, whether it needs to or not. Regards, Casey Wilson Freelance Writer and Photographer |
K,
I just got switched to Giganews also. What I like is that the pictures on abpo apparently stay for about 3 weeks instead of a day or less. Bob "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message news:6YADd.253$SS6.132@trnddc07... "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. Hi K, Changing your reader from OE doesn't fix the problem of your ISP changing Usenet access. Except for the problem of changing your email address, maybe you'd be better off changing ISPs. If you look for a new ISP, I recommend Verizon. As a freelance writer and photographer, I travel a lot and have never been anywhere I couldn't get a local access number for dial-up connection. Verizon also gives me access to every newsgroup. I use MS Outlook which invokes OExpress for a news reader, but not email. I use the tools and rules features to cut down on SPAM and reject obnoxious posters. Virus and worms are dealt with by Norton Anti-Virus which automatically checks (in the background) for updates every time I go online and forces an update weekly, whether it needs to or not. Regards, Casey Wilson Freelance Writer and Photographer |
K,
I just got switched to Giganews also. What I like is that the pictures on abpo apparently stay for about 3 weeks instead of a day or less. Bob "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message news:6YADd.253$SS6.132@trnddc07... "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. Hi K, Changing your reader from OE doesn't fix the problem of your ISP changing Usenet access. Except for the problem of changing your email address, maybe you'd be better off changing ISPs. If you look for a new ISP, I recommend Verizon. As a freelance writer and photographer, I travel a lot and have never been anywhere I couldn't get a local access number for dial-up connection. Verizon also gives me access to every newsgroup. I use MS Outlook which invokes OExpress for a news reader, but not email. I use the tools and rules features to cut down on SPAM and reject obnoxious posters. Virus and worms are dealt with by Norton Anti-Virus which automatically checks (in the background) for updates every time I go online and forces an update weekly, whether it needs to or not. Regards, Casey Wilson Freelance Writer and Photographer |
K Barrett wrote:
Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett Read my sig line! I changed to the free programs Firefox and Thunderbird a while ago and I LOVE THEM!!! (And yes, I was shouting there.) As to viruses, as far as I am concerned, nothing beats having a good virus scanner. I have AVG running and it scans all incoming and outgoing mail. Mozilla should be less vulnerable to viruses, but I can't vouch for that since I know too little about it. Firefox stops pop-ups unless you choose to allow them. Thunderbird, the mail and newsreader, blocks remote images in email, so they load much faster and without those annoying ads. Thunderbird also has a very good junk mail filter. Firefox also lets you use RSS feeds, which is a time and energy saver. Apparently you can read RSS feeds in Thunderbird, too, but I haven't looked into setting that up yet. What I will say is that you need a teensy bit more than just beginner user knowledge to get them up and going the way you want. I found it easy, but I found computers easy from the very beginning (how can I say this without sounding like I am bragging?). Give it a try. I will bet you will be pleasantly surprised. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
K Barrett wrote:
Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett Read my sig line! I changed to the free programs Firefox and Thunderbird a while ago and I LOVE THEM!!! (And yes, I was shouting there.) As to viruses, as far as I am concerned, nothing beats having a good virus scanner. I have AVG running and it scans all incoming and outgoing mail. Mozilla should be less vulnerable to viruses, but I can't vouch for that since I know too little about it. Firefox stops pop-ups unless you choose to allow them. Thunderbird, the mail and newsreader, blocks remote images in email, so they load much faster and without those annoying ads. Thunderbird also has a very good junk mail filter. Firefox also lets you use RSS feeds, which is a time and energy saver. Apparently you can read RSS feeds in Thunderbird, too, but I haven't looked into setting that up yet. What I will say is that you need a teensy bit more than just beginner user knowledge to get them up and going the way you want. I found it easy, but I found computers easy from the very beginning (how can I say this without sounding like I am bragging?). Give it a try. I will bet you will be pleasantly surprised. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
K Barrett wrote:
Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett Read my sig line! I changed to the free programs Firefox and Thunderbird a while ago and I LOVE THEM!!! (And yes, I was shouting there.) As to viruses, as far as I am concerned, nothing beats having a good virus scanner. I have AVG running and it scans all incoming and outgoing mail. Mozilla should be less vulnerable to viruses, but I can't vouch for that since I know too little about it. Firefox stops pop-ups unless you choose to allow them. Thunderbird, the mail and newsreader, blocks remote images in email, so they load much faster and without those annoying ads. Thunderbird also has a very good junk mail filter. Firefox also lets you use RSS feeds, which is a time and energy saver. Apparently you can read RSS feeds in Thunderbird, too, but I haven't looked into setting that up yet. What I will say is that you need a teensy bit more than just beginner user knowledge to get them up and going the way you want. I found it easy, but I found computers easy from the very beginning (how can I say this without sounding like I am bragging?). Give it a try. I will bet you will be pleasantly surprised. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
When I switched to Comcast as my ISP, it came with Giganews, and I
find it anything but difficult! It has more groups, long retention times, even for binaries, and I've not had a problem in several years. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett |
When I switched to Comcast as my ISP, it came with Giganews, and I
find it anything but difficult! It has more groups, long retention times, even for binaries, and I've not had a problem in several years. -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett |
In article .com,
"K Barrett" wrote: computerectomy --disclaimer-- i am only a very minor computer geek, however..... i'm using something called MT-newswatcher right now; no worms, virii, greek equines etc. some quirks, but nothing worse than anything else i've used. shows pictures beautifully, and i've been able to post pics with no problem (other than doing it so infrequently that i keep forgetting how...) the browser of choice on the machine is firefox; no popups, no malignancies so far. (also available: IE, netscape, safari, and some stuff i don't recognize. mozilla seems fine.) (yes the computer's owner is a graphics dude who creates web pages.) carrier is comcast, giganews, i use comcast's mail utility for my personal account. caveat: this is a mac G5. YMMV. --j_a |
In article .com,
"K Barrett" wrote: computerectomy --disclaimer-- i am only a very minor computer geek, however..... i'm using something called MT-newswatcher right now; no worms, virii, greek equines etc. some quirks, but nothing worse than anything else i've used. shows pictures beautifully, and i've been able to post pics with no problem (other than doing it so infrequently that i keep forgetting how...) the browser of choice on the machine is firefox; no popups, no malignancies so far. (also available: IE, netscape, safari, and some stuff i don't recognize. mozilla seems fine.) (yes the computer's owner is a graphics dude who creates web pages.) carrier is comcast, giganews, i use comcast's mail utility for my personal account. caveat: this is a mac G5. YMMV. --j_a |
Kathy,
I am confused - I *pay* to use giganews because my ISPs news servers are such crap. Why would your ISP switching to Giganews cause problems? I've found good ole Outlook Express to work fine for newsgroups but I definitely recommend Firefox as your browser. You'll wonder why you didn't switch before. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. [...] |
Kathy,
I am confused - I *pay* to use giganews because my ISPs news servers are such crap. Why would your ISP switching to Giganews cause problems? I've found good ole Outlook Express to work fine for newsgroups but I definitely recommend Firefox as your browser. You'll wonder why you didn't switch before. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org "K Barrett" wrote in message oups.com... Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. [...] |
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:36:25 +0100, Reka
wrote: K Barrett wrote: Hi all, warning - clipped lines ahead. Read my sig line! I changed to the free programs Firefox and Thunderbird nothing beats having a good virus scanner. Firefox stops pop-ups unless you choose to allow them. Thunderbird, the mail and newsreader, blocks remote images in email, so they load much faster and without those annoying ads. Thunderbird also has a very good junk mail filter. Reka....... Ok. Now John and I have been with Mozilla for several years and several upgrades. My only objection to this change over is the split of Firefox from Thunderbird.. what names. I can not hit 1 icon and have the whole mess loaded. G We use Agent to read and post to news. I have not tried the new Mozilla, although I have seen the entry on my laptop. I know it is available. I would not do it any other way. The last upgrade from 'Mozilla' vanilla to Foxfire and Thunderbird I did and it was just a click on icon to download and update my system. Yes, you will have a bit more to do. You have to get your data out of IE before it blows up. It is not difficult. Keep playing with the junk and spam filters and you can train Thunderbird to delete to Junk 99% of the junk for you to scan for the occasional slip when it puts OGD into the Junk file. G Although some of those slips are on the too hot to read days. Good spell check too. It used to be a second download and an add on now it is part of the program. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:36:25 +0100, Reka
wrote: K Barrett wrote: Hi all, warning - clipped lines ahead. Read my sig line! I changed to the free programs Firefox and Thunderbird nothing beats having a good virus scanner. Firefox stops pop-ups unless you choose to allow them. Thunderbird, the mail and newsreader, blocks remote images in email, so they load much faster and without those annoying ads. Thunderbird also has a very good junk mail filter. Reka....... Ok. Now John and I have been with Mozilla for several years and several upgrades. My only objection to this change over is the split of Firefox from Thunderbird.. what names. I can not hit 1 icon and have the whole mess loaded. G We use Agent to read and post to news. I have not tried the new Mozilla, although I have seen the entry on my laptop. I know it is available. I would not do it any other way. The last upgrade from 'Mozilla' vanilla to Foxfire and Thunderbird I did and it was just a click on icon to download and update my system. Yes, you will have a bit more to do. You have to get your data out of IE before it blows up. It is not difficult. Keep playing with the junk and spam filters and you can train Thunderbird to delete to Junk 99% of the junk for you to scan for the occasional slip when it puts OGD into the Junk file. G Although some of those slips are on the too hot to read days. Good spell check too. It used to be a second download and an add on now it is part of the program. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
"K Barrett" wrote in
oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
"K Barrett" wrote in
oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and
OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "dusty" wrote in message ... "K Barrett" wrote in oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
I am with you Ray, albeit, I have a computer guru that helps me.
He did make Mozilla Firefox my default browser but can still use IE. I use Outlook Express for reading my news groups. I personally feel that a lot of problems users have is due to the fact that their computers are not set up correctly. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "dusty" wrote in message ... "K Barrett" wrote in oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
Eric Hunt wrote: Kathy, I am confused - I *pay* to use giganews because my ISPs news servers are such crap. Why would your ISP switching to Giganews cause problems? I've found good ole Outlook Express to work fine for newsgroups but I definitely recommend Firefox as your browser. You'll wonder why you didn't switch before. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org WOW!! Thanks to everyone who has commented!! This is great info! I'm replying to everyone by replying to Eric's message so include any of your further input here if you want. (don't think I'm ignoring you, *G*!) Eric, I'm able to get Usenet via Giganews only if I use my primary email address... well, I don't use my primary email address online. I use a Hotmail address, thinking it blocks any spambots or email harvesters. Seems to have worked so far, or maybe I'm deluding myself.... So far it looks like Mozilla is the way to go. K Barrett |
Eric Hunt wrote: Kathy, I am confused - I *pay* to use giganews because my ISPs news servers are such crap. Why would your ISP switching to Giganews cause problems? I've found good ole Outlook Express to work fine for newsgroups but I definitely recommend Firefox as your browser. You'll wonder why you didn't switch before. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org WOW!! Thanks to everyone who has commented!! This is great info! I'm replying to everyone by replying to Eric's message so include any of your further input here if you want. (don't think I'm ignoring you, *G*!) Eric, I'm able to get Usenet via Giganews only if I use my primary email address... well, I don't use my primary email address online. I use a Hotmail address, thinking it blocks any spambots or email harvesters. Seems to have worked so far, or maybe I'm deluding myself.... So far it looks like Mozilla is the way to go. K Barrett |
Ok, that's most of what is going on here. The way I have my computer
set up is to hide my primary email address and to show a Hotmail address. I also don't use Outlook Express as my default email program. I use Eudora. I'm sure if someone was truly interested they could find my primary address as well as anything else they'd want to know about me. But I'm trying to hide from email harvesters, and so far I think its worked. K Barrett |
Ok, that's most of what is going on here. The way I have my computer
set up is to hide my primary email address and to show a Hotmail address. I also don't use Outlook Express as my default email program. I use Eudora. I'm sure if someone was truly interested they could find my primary address as well as anything else they'd want to know about me. But I'm trying to hide from email harvesters, and so far I think its worked. K Barrett |
I agree too. With any browser or operating system you need to keep up with
the security patches. Keep your spam and virus checker up to date and make sure your firewall/router is configured correctly. Most isp providers now add an extra level of protection on their servers too, but that is not an excuse for letting your software get behind the hackers. :-) No matter which you use. Some of the off brands I have seen named do offer a bit more flexibility than outlook express (and I have tried a few) but I guess I can't argue if somebody wants to tell me they are safer for some reason. Discussing Browser/operating systems is a bit like discussing politics and religion. Or viruses and whether ladyslippers are real orchids. It can get touchy. I am a live-and-let-live person in a do-as-I-say world. I am using outlook 6. something as my email program and it connects to an old outlookexpress as the news reader. Don't have any problems. Most of my spam and virus control is on my server/domain and not on my personal computer behind the firewall. By the time something gets to my computer it has been picked at several times already. I had switched to giganews, leaving behind my adelphia news servers because they were crappy. Then adelphia outsourced it's news servers to giganews and saved me 9 or 10 dollars a month. They do control a lot of the spam and I never see pictures posted to the text newsgroups. Also they have the longest retention rate for binary (Abpo) newsgroups, like 45 days. I say, KB, figure out how to configure your current newsreader to use giganews and see how it works out before making too many changes. "wendy7" wrote in message news:wRSDd.15973$yW5.9549@fed1read02... I am with you Ray, albeit, I have a computer guru that helps me. He did make Mozilla Firefox my default browser but can still use IE. I use Outlook Express for reading my news groups. I personally feel that a lot of problems users have is due to the fact that their computers are not set up correctly. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "dusty" wrote in message ... "K Barrett" wrote in oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
I agree too. With any browser or operating system you need to keep up with
the security patches. Keep your spam and virus checker up to date and make sure your firewall/router is configured correctly. Most isp providers now add an extra level of protection on their servers too, but that is not an excuse for letting your software get behind the hackers. :-) No matter which you use. Some of the off brands I have seen named do offer a bit more flexibility than outlook express (and I have tried a few) but I guess I can't argue if somebody wants to tell me they are safer for some reason. Discussing Browser/operating systems is a bit like discussing politics and religion. Or viruses and whether ladyslippers are real orchids. It can get touchy. I am a live-and-let-live person in a do-as-I-say world. I am using outlook 6. something as my email program and it connects to an old outlookexpress as the news reader. Don't have any problems. Most of my spam and virus control is on my server/domain and not on my personal computer behind the firewall. By the time something gets to my computer it has been picked at several times already. I had switched to giganews, leaving behind my adelphia news servers because they were crappy. Then adelphia outsourced it's news servers to giganews and saved me 9 or 10 dollars a month. They do control a lot of the spam and I never see pictures posted to the text newsgroups. Also they have the longest retention rate for binary (Abpo) newsgroups, like 45 days. I say, KB, figure out how to configure your current newsreader to use giganews and see how it works out before making too many changes. "wendy7" wrote in message news:wRSDd.15973$yW5.9549@fed1read02... I am with you Ray, albeit, I have a computer guru that helps me. He did make Mozilla Firefox my default browser but can still use IE. I use Outlook Express for reading my news groups. I personally feel that a lot of problems users have is due to the fact that their computers are not set up correctly. -- Cheers Wendy Remove PETERPAN for email reply Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "dusty" wrote in message ... "K Barrett" wrote in oups.com: Hi all, OK, this is on topic only because we're all reading this group on computers, so I have a computer question. My ISP changed to Giganews, making access to Usenet difficult. Therefore I'm taking this opportunity to research changing from Outlook Express to some other news reader. I'm also taking this opportunity to finally stop using Internet Explorer as a browser. Something I intended to do 4-5 yrs ago, heh. I'm considering Mozilla/Firefox and Agent. (Unless Mozilla has its own newsreader... hadn't thought of that) Any input as to ease of use or frequency of attacks by popups/worms/viruses etc with these alternate programs? Like would they be more/less open to attack? I find I have gotten stuck in my ways and only understand programs of the 1995-1998 vintage, so I'm anticipating a steep learning curve, as well as frustration and hair pulling when I make this switch. Its hell getting old. K Barrett I hated OE from day one and never could get it to work right or be as secure as I like. I use Xnews as a news group reader it's freeware and easy to use. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/xnews.html I've heard that Giganews is supposed to be a great sevice but I've never tried it. If you want a new NNTP client (Newsgroups) I use the totally uncensored Tera News the low cost package is a one time fee of $3.95 which allows you to download 50 meg a day. the retention varies from 3 to 8 days. The also have a ton of other packages here. note the $3.95 packages is at the bottom of the selections. https://secure.usenetbilling.com/new...?referredby=10 89565316&action=Create+New+Account&vendor=teranews hope this helps |
Ray wrote:
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
I think it's part of Microsoft's security patch two (SR2) It added a popup
blocker and a firewall. I have had to turn off Microsoft's pop-up blocker because my Google tool bar does this already and I have the Microsoft firewall turned off because I already have one I like. "Microsoft: busy building in all the stuff you want after somebody else things of it first." "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2
-- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! .. "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Ray and Al,
When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? Scottie "Ray" wrote in message ... It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Here, Microsoft Window's XP home edition is running on a Hewlet Packard
something or other. It came installed on this computer. I do not have any original disks and was not asked to provide one during the installation of the SP2. Your results may vary. I would check out Microsoft's website for problems installing the SP2 if you suspect there is anything out of the ordinary with the edition of your operating system. I would check out this website for information only if my day was already as bad as I could possibly imagine, but sometimes you have no choice. it is rumored that lots of people had trouble upgrading. For my own part, after the computer rebooted itself, it took like 45 excruciating minutes to reorganize it's insides before the new version came up and then I had to pretend it was an initial installation and set up everything all over again, from the log on screen to the pop-up blocker, passwords and firewall, etc. All the installed software, like my email and newsgroup readers were not affected outwardly by the upgrade. I take that back, the explorer browser had to be configured for "privacy concerns" We have just reached the limit of my computer knowledge. Goodnight....and happy orchid growing. Oh yes, and back up everything important first. "Scottie" wrote in message ink.net... Ray and Al, When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? Scottie "Ray" wrote in message ... It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Here, Microsoft Window's XP home edition is running on a Hewlet Packard
something or other. It came installed on this computer. I do not have any original disks and was not asked to provide one during the installation of the SP2. Your results may vary. I would check out Microsoft's website for problems installing the SP2 if you suspect there is anything out of the ordinary with the edition of your operating system. I would check out this website for information only if my day was already as bad as I could possibly imagine, but sometimes you have no choice. it is rumored that lots of people had trouble upgrading. For my own part, after the computer rebooted itself, it took like 45 excruciating minutes to reorganize it's insides before the new version came up and then I had to pretend it was an initial installation and set up everything all over again, from the log on screen to the pop-up blocker, passwords and firewall, etc. All the installed software, like my email and newsgroup readers were not affected outwardly by the upgrade. I take that back, the explorer browser had to be configured for "privacy concerns" We have just reached the limit of my computer knowledge. Goodnight....and happy orchid growing. Oh yes, and back up everything important first. "Scottie" wrote in message ink.net... Ray and Al, When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? Scottie "Ray" wrote in message ... It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Ray,
Right now you can get viruses on your system simply by using IE to browse web pages. There are THAT many security holes. A hole was just discovered this week in the latest IE 6 with XP Service Pack 2 that is really bad, for example. Firefox isn't squeaky clean, but it was written with security in mind and it's open source, so anyone can patch the thing if they want to. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org "Ray" wrote in message ... Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? |
Hello Scottie!
If you have XP , a good antivirus, a good firewall and a good anti spyware, you do not need to upgrade to XP service pack 2! I`m running a Compaq presario with pentium 4, 2,5 ghrtz with Xp home. I use AVG antivirus, Zone Alarm firewall and Microsoft antispyware beta 1. Never had any problem! Claude "Scottie" wrote in message ink.net... | Ray and Al, | | When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? | | Scottie | "Ray" wrote in message | ... | It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 | | -- | | Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com | Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! | . | "Reka" wrote in message | ... | Ray wrote: | Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and | OE? | | IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts | of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. | | Am I missing something THAT significantly different? | | *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The | Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? | But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules | with Thunderbird. | | -- | Reka | | This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! | http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html | | Reclaim Your Inbox! | http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ | | Rediscover the Web! | http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ | | They're free! | | | | | |
Hello Scottie!
If you have XP , a good antivirus, a good firewall and a good anti spyware, you do not need to upgrade to XP service pack 2! I`m running a Compaq presario with pentium 4, 2,5 ghrtz with Xp home. I use AVG antivirus, Zone Alarm firewall and Microsoft antispyware beta 1. Never had any problem! Claude "Scottie" wrote in message ink.net... | Ray and Al, | | When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? | | Scottie | "Ray" wrote in message | ... | It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 | | -- | | Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com | Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! | . | "Reka" wrote in message | ... | Ray wrote: | Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and | OE? | | IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts | of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. | | Am I missing something THAT significantly different? | | *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The | Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? | But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules | with Thunderbird. | | -- | Reka | | This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! | http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html | | Reclaim Your Inbox! | http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ | | Rediscover the Web! | http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ | | They're free! | | | | | |
Al and Claude,
I have 20 machines to maintain at work, and all but two are running XP-Pro, SP1. Our network is running several complicated firewalls and antivirus programs on the server -- it's a public library where anyone can come in and pop any floppy or cd into the machine and read it, but not load it, or go to any website. Every night, everything the public has done is erased. My tech guru, who works with all the libraries in the Houston area, has advised me to avoid SP2 as long as possible, so I've just been doing the regular Win Update, but I know the day is coming. Right now I have two, possibly three down, with some kind of spyware which has put them in a permanent loop on boot, so I have to go in Monday and reload the OS on those, and I thought I might try SP2, just to make life fun. I have had reports from friends and library patrons that the original cd's were required, but although I've searched MS Update, several tech sites, and asked all the gurus I know, that doesn't seem to be the case. My home machine did not come with the original MS XP cd, just a snapshot recovery cd, and I haven't devoted any weekends to loading it at home, either, mostly because I don't want to take the time to do the backup to cd's necessary (I have XP home and it doesn't offer the built-in backup option XP-Pro does, and I'm too cheap to buy a good backup system). I sure hate to hear the 45 minutes to get running part of your message! That will take forever at work. Scottie "Al" wrote in message ... Here, Microsoft Window's XP home edition is running on a Hewlet Packard something or other. It came installed on this computer. I do not have any original disks and was not asked to provide one during the installation of the SP2. Your results may vary. I would check out Microsoft's website for problems installing the SP2 if you suspect there is anything out of the ordinary with the edition of your operating system. I would check out this website for information only if my day was already as bad as I could possibly imagine, but sometimes you have no choice. it is rumored that lots of people had trouble upgrading. For my own part, after the computer rebooted itself, it took like 45 excruciating minutes to reorganize it's insides before the new version came up and then I had to pretend it was an initial installation and set up everything all over again, from the log on screen to the pop-up blocker, passwords and firewall, etc. All the installed software, like my email and newsgroup readers were not affected outwardly by the upgrade. I take that back, the explorer browser had to be configured for "privacy concerns" We have just reached the limit of my computer knowledge. Goodnight....and happy orchid growing. Oh yes, and back up everything important first. "Scottie" wrote in message ink.net... Ray and Al, When you updated to SP2, was the original XP cd required? Scottie "Ray" wrote in message ... It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 -- Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . "Reka" wrote in message ... Ray wrote: Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but what's wrong with IE and OE? IE has a popup blocker that's quite effective, and I have all sorts of mail rules set up that block the vast majority of spam in OE. Am I missing something THAT significantly different? *I* must be missing something. Which IE has a popup blocker??? The Google toolbar blocked mine, but IE?? But I don't even have to go through the hassle of setting up rules with Thunderbird. -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:12:02 -0800, "Eric Hunt"
wrote: Ray, Right now you can get viruses on your system simply by using IE to browse web pages. There are THAT many security holes. A hole was just discovered this week in the latest IE 6 with XP Service Pack 2 that is really bad, for example. Firefox isn't squeaky clean, but it was written with security in mind and it's open source, so anyone can patch the thing if they want to. -Eric in SF www.orchidphotos.org One of the Judges tonight said that the Tech at her office updated her machine to Sp2 and she no longer has any of the email addresses for the rest of the judging center. To say she was unhappy is mild. She was out for his head. Back up and print special files you may have to re-input. And it is a huge memory HOG. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php |
Ray wrote:
It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 Ah...I understand...nothing for us using the old 98! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Ray wrote:
It was automatic with the Win XP SR-2 Ah...I understand...nothing for us using the old 98! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Susan Erickson wrote:
One of the Judges tonight said that the Tech at her office updated her machine to Sp2 and she no longer has any of the email addresses for the rest of the judging center. To say she was unhappy is mild. She was out for his head. Back up and print special files you may have to re-input. And it is a huge memory HOG. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php It's an agreement between Gates and the computer firms to force you to buy a new, better computer, I swear! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
Susan Erickson wrote:
One of the Judges tonight said that the Tech at her office updated her machine to Sp2 and she no longer has any of the email addresses for the rest of the judging center. To say she was unhappy is mild. She was out for his head. Back up and print special files you may have to re-input. And it is a huge memory HOG. SuE http://orchids.legolas.org/gallery/albums.php It's an agreement between Gates and the computer firms to force you to buy a new, better computer, I swear! -- Reka This is LIFE! It's not a rehearsal. Don't miss it! http://www.rolbox.it/hukari/index.html Reclaim Your Inbox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Rediscover the Web! http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/products/firefox/ They're free! |
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