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Port Lincoln bush fires S.A
Hi Everyone, maybe you've heard on the news the devastating bush fires
on the Eyre Peninsula SA and specifically around Port Lincoln. The whole area has been gutted and there have been reports of 8 dead and another 12 missing in the area. The fire was traveling at 70 klm per hour yesterday when we had temps of over 41 degrees with gale force Northerly winds. As the winds turned Westerly later yesterday we could smell the smoke as it blew towards us over the Gulf. Some of the regulars who have been here a while would remember Wes Trotman a regular poster here at one time, Wes lived around the Port Lincoln area at that time (I don't know if he still does). I hope you'll join me in wishing Wes and Ros and all their family and friends the best in these terrible times, I havent heard from Wes since he last posted here, I found an email address for him on another discussion group but my email got returned with a "non deliverable" message. So Wes if you are out there mate, let us know you are ok .. and if anyone has kept in touch with Wes, please let him know we are thinking of him. So many natural disasters .... so fragile is life. Pete |
g'day pete,
good to hear from you again we hope that all come through this period well enough. the last i heard from wes & ros was that they where in the throws of selling to move back to the city (health reasons), so not sure if that has happened yet, will keep you posted as wes & ros feature on another forum at times. take care for all concerned len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
Janet Baraclough wrote in
: Scotland is in the grip of severe gales and floods; three killed by gales since yesterday, all high bridges closed and the entire ferry service cancelled.The west -coast island of Barra measured gusts of 126 mph last night. We only got 70 mph here. Keep safe Janet. Geodyne |
pete wrote in
: I hope you'll join me in wishing Wes and Ros and all their family and friends the best in these terrible times, I havent heard from Wes since he last posted here, I found an email address for him on another discussion group but my email got returned with a "non deliverable" message. Fires are never fun to be around. Hopefully all is fine with Wes and his family. I can report smoke settling in the north-west of Sydney yesterday as well, although there have been no media reports as yet. Geodyne |
g'day pete,
wes & ros are now livning in port lincoln havins apparently sold their property some time ago. so far properties in that neck of the woods apparently have escaped the fires as indicated by the poster of this information on another forum. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
Janet Baraclough wrote:
Thanks Pete, I heard about that on the radio news this morning,,glad to hear you're okay. It's a long time since Wes posted. Scotland is in the grip of severe gales and floods; three killed by gales since yesterday, all high bridges closed and the entire ferry service cancelled.The west -coast island of Barra measured gusts of 126 mph last night. We only got 70 mph here. Janet. (Isle of Arran) Hi Janet glad to hear your little bit of paradise escaped the worst of the winds, seems many places are experiencing weather extremes or some kind of force of nature, massive floods in the US and record snow falls/drifts, Saw a mudslide in one US town and of course the worst ...the Tsunamis On Christmas eve the biggest earthquake Tasmania had ever experienced happened 900 klms off the Tassie coast ... I was talking to people about how lucky Tassie was that they hadnt had a Tsunami from that quake when I saw the Indonesian ones, at first I thought it was the same quake or some after shock effect, then I realised it was another one, again the biggest ... I think Ireland has had floods too,??. We had our worst storm that we can remember a few days a go, lost some trees and shed roofs buckled, horses bolted through fences, friends lost many sheds and had severe house damage, luckily no-one hurt but hell it was scary. lost another tree that must have been weakened in the storm when the hot gale force northerlies came the other day (the bush fire day). It makes us realise how insignificant we humans really are when the weather or mother nature decides to throw some huge event our way, theres just nothing you can do except try to stay safe. This year has started off pretty dramatically, lets hope it calms down some. |
len gardener wrote:
g'day pete, good to hear from you again we hope that all come through this period well enough. the last i heard from wes & ros was that they where in the throws of selling to move back to the city (health reasons), so not sure if that has happened yet, will keep you posted as wes & ros feature on another forum at times. take care for all concerned len snipped How do Len Thanks for the info on Wes ... I wouldnt wish a return to the city on anybody but in this case I hope they did, if ya catch him around the place give him my best wishes mate. |
"pete" wrote in message
Hi Everyone, maybe you've heard on the news the devastating bush fires on the Eyre Peninsula SA and specifically around Port Lincoln. Some of the regulars who have been here a while would remember Wes Trotman a regular poster here at one time, Wes lived around the Port Lincoln area at that time (I don't know if he still does). I'm glad to hear that you are OK Pete. I had been wondering about you and Wes. I hope he and his family are OK as well. |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
Scotland is in the grip of severe gales and floods; three killed by gales since yesterday, all high bridges closed and the entire ferry service cancelled.The west -coast island of Barra measured gusts of 126 mph last night. We only got 70 mph here. Gee, only 70 MPH! A mere zephyr! Hope there was no damage to the garden and B&B heaven. |
"len gardener" wrote in message
wes & ros are now livning in port lincoln havins apparently sold their property some time ago. so far properties in that neck of the woods apparently have escaped the fires as indicated by the poster of this information on another forum. Thanks for that update Len. How is your own sale going (or gone)? |
will do pete.
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g'day fran,
all in limbo sort of no one looking so looks like we are here for the long haul, the place looks realy lush and great right now so if we could just get someone on sight with 1/2 a tick they would almost havta buy. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
pete wrote in
: On Christmas eve the biggest earthquake Tasmania had ever experienced happened 900 klms off the Tassie coast ... I was talking to people about how lucky Tassie was that they hadnt had a Tsunami from that quake when I saw the Indonesian ones, at first I thought it was the same quake or some after shock effect, then I realised it was another one, again the biggest ... The Macquarie Island quake wasn't much smaller than the Aceh one though Pete - 8.5, as compared to 8.9. The type of motion at Macquarie is very different to that of the plate boundary in Indonesia, fortunately. If the one in the Balleny Islands in Antarctica ever went off though - those of us in SE Oz should all brace. The end of last year was pretty big to me - we lost 53 distant family members in the tsunami. Hopefully the rest of this year will be somewhat less dramatic. Geodyne |
Geodyne wrote:
pete wrote in : On Christmas eve the biggest earthquake Tasmania had ever experienced happened 900 klms off the Tassie coast ... I was talking to people about how lucky Tassie was that they hadnt had a Tsunami from that quake when I saw the Indonesian ones, at first I thought it was the same quake or some after shock effect, then I realised it was another one, again the biggest ... The Macquarie Island quake wasn't much smaller than the Aceh one though Pete - 8.5, as compared to 8.9. The type of motion at Macquarie is very different to that of the plate boundary in Indonesia, fortunately. If the one in the Balleny Islands in Antarctica ever went off though - those of us in SE Oz should all brace. The end of last year was pretty big to me - we lost 53 distant family members in the tsunami. Hopefully the rest of this year will be somewhat less dramatic. Geodyne I forgot this was your field of expertise .... strange that the Tassie one seemed to have no effects whatsoever and on the radio people were dismissing it as "yeah ...another earthquake" .... a few years ago I felt our house shake for maybe 10 -15 seconds and moments later the news came on saying we had had a 6.5 ??? (maybe it was only 5.6) quake somewhere in the SE of SA ... miles from us but most of the southern part of SA felt it to some degree, I went outside looking for cracks in the ground I was sure there had to be some .... none.... but I can't even imagine what an 8 or 9 would feel like. |
i may have said we are here for the long haul that is the long haul
while we wait for real estate agents to get off their butts and sell land, can't afford to stay but can't afford to walk out either and a lotto win would make us very willing to stay that simple, all comes back to government policy. snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
we are on a pension and as the gov wants to stay in power they have
figured a way to fiddle the books and make it look like our infaltion rate is running at around 3 & 4%, which it isn't! in the last periods fuel has risen by 60% min, fresh meats have risen by 25+%, processed food around 15% and in one stint powdered milk went up near on 30%, then there is the every increasing insurances, road taxes, license fee (now $60aud for 5 years), line rentals for the phone and the list goes on but none of those things has rise by just 3 or 4%. line rentals are around 6% pa medical insurance 11% or thereabouts, so we just can't find that one thing that has only risen by around 4% so we can live off of it. oh i forgot to mention rates and fire levies all increase by at least 10% p.a, the list of thngs you gotta pay is endless. our pensions are tied to the cpi. so now ya know. all pensioners are suffering. snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
"len gardener" wrote in message
all in limbo sort of no one looking so looks like we are here for the long haul, the place looks realy lush and great right now so if we could just get someone on sight with 1/2 a tick they would almost havta buy. Well good luck with it Len. Selling is always a pig of an exercise. Enjoy it while you're waiting. |
"Geodyne" wrote in message
The end of last year was pretty big to me - we lost 53 distant family members in the tsunami. Hopefully the rest of this year will be somewhat less dramatic. That shocking news! I'm very sorry to hear that. |
"len gardener" wrote in message
we are on a pension and as the gov wants to stay in power they have figured a way to fiddle the books and make it look like our infaltion rate is running at around 3 & 4%, which it isn't! in the last periods fuel has risen by 60% min, fresh meats have risen by 25+%, processed food around 15% and in one stint powdered milk went up near on 30%, then there is the every increasing insurances, road taxes, license fee (now $60aud for 5 years), line rentals for the phone and the list goes on but none of those things has rise by just 3 or 4%. line rentals are around 6% pa medical insurance 11% or thereabouts, so we just can't find that one thing that has only risen by around 4% so we can live off of it. oh i forgot to mention rates and fire levies all increase by at least 10% p.a, the list of thngs you gotta pay is endless. our pensions are tied to the cpi. so now ya know. all pensioners are suffering. And not just pensioners. My allowance is buying less all the time. but then I don'e believe anything this governement says and I certainly don't believe what they say about unemployment either - "Lowest unemployment in 28 years" In a pig's ear it's the lowest - the mongrel government just changed how they counted the unemployed when they came to power. |
agreed fran there will be lots in the community suffering in silence,
as by and large aussie have adopted the "i'm alright jack" policy. charity definately does not start at home. and 28 years should mabe be converted to 28% unemployment, they have been fudging that figures since keetings days. but we are finding harder and ahrder to buy food after we pay the necessary bills nothing plush around here just the bare minimum. so take care fran feel free to chat anytime. hope s.a don't get anymore fires. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
well can't do much more than enjoy, would love to stay but just can't
find a rich uncle or win lotto. but each day we amaze at the difference on this block since we put in all those simple management practises, took it from a dry blady grass block to an almost lush mixed pasture grasses block in just on 3 years and no additives like phosphates etc.,. anyhow we gotta do waht we gotta do. nice chatting to you fran as always len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
mmmm yeh first up it takes away the reliance on a motor vehicle,
second we won't have a tractor to keep going when, they break down they cost big bucks, and no use being here if we can't do/finish what we want to do and grow as much of our food needs and repair the habitat etc all takes moeny, this all takes money, and then there's fencing and whole lots of things. it is a whole lot more expensive living in rural even though the rates fro the land are cheaper, every time a tap is turned on a pump starts and sooner or later they need replacing whatever. you probably need to get outside the square to see what i mean. we doing ok whilst we got the true cpi% rises but the fibber rises are starving us and lots of other pensioners off of their properties these people paid taxes all their lives now they can't live with dignity, and the groups who are getting the big help will never work or never pay any taxes . snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
dunno working outside the square is a very common phrase around the
traps, it means you step outside your little world and have a look back in to see how much bigger it realy is a good way to broaden ones horizons, so i won't even mention working outside the comfort zone then hey mmm.. we need a tractor to mow fire breaks and keep around our tree plantings clear for times of fire, as a grass fire could easily kill 3 to 6 years of growth rapidly, and we also need to produce mulch so again yes a tractor is very necessary as we could not keep the watering up or protect the grouind from heat and cold without it, and buying mulch at up to $3 aud a bale is too dear as you need to go and get it or pay delivery so the basic 3 bucks is only the surface cost, then you don't know what weeds may come with it just ask ted he's got kahki weed a very hard weed to get rid of from just bringing in cattle fodder. and also you can't have cattle grazing in among trees under around 3 meters + high they will eat them down so all that effort again will be for nought, probably much more to it than you may comprehend. and the reliance on a motor vehicle is the real big cruncher when there aint no piggy bank to break open and buy another. snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
"Geodyne" wrote in message ... pete wrote in : snip The Macquarie Island quake wasn't much smaller than the Aceh one though Pete - 8.5, as compared to 8.9. The type of motion at Macquarie is very different to that of the plate boundary in Indonesia, fortunately. If the one in the Balleny Islands in Antarctica ever went off though - those of us in SE Oz should all brace. The end of last year was pretty big to me - we lost 53 distant family members in the tsunami. Hopefully the rest of this year will be somewhat less dramatic. Geodyne I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Tara, we lost a couple of people in Phuket to the tsunami. I hope life takes on a far more peaceful rhythm for the rest of the year. Andi |
"sunrise farm" wrote in
: I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Tara, we lost a couple of people in Phuket to the tsunami. I hope life takes on a far more peaceful rhythm for the rest of the year. Andi I'm sorry to hear that as well, Andi. Thanks for your thoughts. Geodyne |
"Fran" wrote in
: "Geodyne" wrote in message The end of last year was pretty big to me - we lost 53 distant family members in the tsunami. Hopefully the rest of this year will be somewhat less dramatic. That shocking news! I'm very sorry to hear that. Thanks Fran. Fortunatley for me, most were very distant family - cousins of my two SsIL by marriage. They are very upset, of course as are we all. It's probably a cold-hearted thing to say, but we're actually counting out blessings because we had 5 immediate family members in Sri Lanka that day - including H's brother and BIL's PIL. Some of them had been in the village where most of the family were lost just a few days before. The other two near family members were SIL's sister and her husband, who is a doctor and was in Sri Lanka for the first time. He immediately volunteered his services after the tsunami hit and spent the rest of his holiday going through affected areas, helping where he could. He said that the level of devastation was total in many places. Tara |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
mmmm yeh first up it takes away the reliance on a motor vehicle, second we won't have a tractor to keep going when, they break down they cost big bucks, and no use being here if we can't do/finish what we want to do and grow as much of our food needs and repair the habitat etc all takes moeny, this all takes money, and then there's fencing and whole lots of things. Is a tractor really essential to grow fruit and veg for two people ? It may not be to grow veg for 2, but if he uses it as a slasher (to keep the grass and thus snake threat low) or has a carryall for fencing equipment or to dig post holes with, or has a blade on it for forming roads, then it could be vital to living on a rural block. And Len is quite right about rural living - it is far more expensive in terms of daily costs. I pay about double the cost of groceries if I shop in the village vs getting in the car and going 30 kms (and fuel here has also recently blown out in cost). |
"len gardener" wrote in message
and buying mulch at up to $3 aud a bale is too dear Bloody hell! Count your lucky stars as that is cheap - round here straw is $8.00 and last time I bothered to ask, (at least a year ago) lucerne bales were $16 each! |
"Geodyne" wrote in message
Thanks Fran. Fortunatley for me, most were very distant family - cousins of my two SsIL by marriage. They are very upset, of course as are we all. Yes. Knwoing the closeness makes it even worse, although Lord knows how abolutley ghastly it has clearly been. It certainly puts other world news and worries into perspective doesn't it? It's probably a cold-hearted thing to say, but we're actually counting out blessings because we had 5 immediate family members in Sri Lanka that day - including H's brother and BIL's PIL. Some of them had been in the village where most of the family were lost just a few days before. I don't think that is cold hearted at all - merely a justifiable relief not to lose even more people who are closer to you. The situation is soo ghastly that it is very hard to comprehend. I can't remember any single other event that has resulted in such a response. Whilst everyone I know has been simply Gobsmacked, they have certainly done something practical to help - like give a generous financial donation and or turn out their cupboards to give to the various appeals. The other two near family members were SIL's sister and her husband, who is a doctor and was in Sri Lanka for the first time. He immediately volunteered his services after the tsunami hit and spent the rest of his holiday going through affected areas, helping where he could. He said that the level of devastation was total in many places. That was very good of him. I hope he wasn't too traumatised by it all. 2 of our local Doctors are Sri Lankan and they know the areas wel and they look stunned and they aren't even therel. Their fund raising/medical aid effort is getting lots of support but that is only one of the local things on the go. I must say that I'm really impressed with how people have reacted. |
yeh fran,
straw is pretty dear up this way not sure but we stopped buying it 2 years ago think it might have got to 12 bucks. this is mulch hay we buy good lucern hay is worth anywhere from 8.80 to 17 bucks. but mulch hay ingeneral has gone from aroubnd 1.5 to 2 bucks 2 years ago, it never goes down either funny that hey. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
yes fran,
exactly anyone on a rural block over about 30 acres is going to need some sort of tractor, there are many things to use one for very seldom i go out onto the property without the tractor like one bloke said to me "the tractor is like your wifes purse is to her you rarely go anywhere without it on the land" and if you don't slash big breaks around you tree plantings the very big risk is that you wil lose the lot to a grass fire should one come, was talking to a bloke in gympie before chrissy they had spring fires around gympie and that is waht happened to him he hadn't yet got his spring slashing doen when a fire came while he was at work took a couple of hundred planted trees. we simply could not afford the loss as there is no cash to rpelace them so the trractor is our insurance policy, did have a carry all but hadta sell it to get some readies for bils only got the slasher attachment now and a trailer. we could opt for the local not very big shop but then there is much they don't have like the fresh meat we want and there is no supplementry medicines no chemist no doctor so for us it is the need for a car to do the 30k to gympis once a week so we notice the cost of fuel our tank sucks up 12 to 15 bucks a round trip, so no friverlous trips for us if we forget something it stays forgotten. we used to visit ted n sheean a bit and shop in maryborough but that is all out now. take care haven't heard anymoer about wes n ros yet. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
don't agree all points insurances out in the aussie bush dearer in
cases than the city, rates cheaper but then you get to use a land fill dump 2 times a week (take your own rubbish ways) fire levy the same as the city fuel costs the same food in regional shops slightly higher at times than the city no variety of stores to force competition. our water doesn't come free or cheap we need pumps to pump it and they have built in obsolescence. oh and we pay an annual levy for that local tip. we've got a couple of pommies living across the road they didn't have mush water storage before they have increases it now but at one stage they where buying in water to flush pee away in the tiolet then they put a subersable pump into that to mist irrigate the cottage gardens silly hey. some otehr things to throw into the hat we drive on dirt roads modern cars aren't built to cope with, when a tree falls across our fence from the road reserv (council owned) they don't want to know about so it falls back on the land owner to remove the tree and fix the fence. still come down to you provide everything yourself out here if use septic you pay for the water and the pump to flush it. we built and eco' home so we don't need wood or cooling so we don't cause wood fire pollution. snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
"len gardener" wrote in message
yeh fran, straw is pretty dear up this way not sure but we stopped buying it 2 years ago think it might have got to 12 bucks. this is mulch hay we buy good lucern hay is worth anywhere from 8.80 to 17 bucks. but mulch hay ingeneral has gone from aroubnd 1.5 to 2 bucks 2 years ago, it never goes down either funny that hey. Well that price you have for straw is most surprising Len. The cheapest form of any mulch round here is straw because it's so bloody useless - no nutrients and it's just a waste product. Anything that would be described as "hay" here is not rubbish as it still has good worm feeding nutrient in it even if spoiled as animal food and thus it is still more expensive than straw even if described as being "mulching hay". |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
from "Fran" contains these words: And Len is quite right about rural living - it is far more expensive in terms of daily costs. I pay about double the cost of groceries if I shop in the village vs getting in the car and going 30 kms (and fuel here has also recently blown out in cost). Agreed so far as transport and shop prices for foods go, but in other ways living in the sticks can be cheaper than urban /city life. Local taxes and all insurances are cheaper, and in a cold climate, there's a big saving in fuel costs from plenty of free wood for heating. Private water and sewage systems (unavailable in suburbs/cities here) are far, far cheaper than the charges for public water/sewage. Well agreed that taxes are cheaper as are most of the insurances if one lives in town, but wood is no longer either free or cheap anywhere within coee of where most of us regular posters in Oz would live. Yes it can be got in some cases but then the cost of taking the vehicle to get it, acquiring and looking after the chain saw, time involved etc all adds up. We gave up getting our own some years ago now as it was cheaper to buy it in bulk and have a big truck bring it once a year - and that is when we have lots of trees and lots of land available to us. And as for water, well that one is a two edged sword in a dry country. As Len mentioned pumps are often a problem and they also aren't free to run. If anything goes wrong with one the difference between the cost of a year's water rates in town and fixing/replacing the pump are gone in one trip to the rural supplier/repairer, and if one has to buy a tank load of water well that is certainly more than the cost on one years town rates (and in the recent drought I heard of people paying up to $5,000 in one year for water outside of town!!!! -about 5-10 times the cost of any town water rate pa.). And I don't know that I'd agree about the cost of sewerage either unless you are talking about ammortising (sp?) the cost over a lot of years (which in Len's case he hasn't yet been able to do). Yes, it could perhaps be cheaper (except for the ongoing mortgage cost which includes interest) if one bought a place with it already installed but certainly not if one had to install it oneself as it casts a packet to get the tank and the water supply to connect to it and then have it all plumbed in - I reckone one would'nt get much change out of about $10,000 from a start up. That would be a lot of years of village rates/taxes. The thing that does give me the pip though when I go to the bigger or big smoke is how cheap things are. Like all stationery items, all shoes and clothes and vegetables! Why bloody vegetables for heavens sake! They grow in the sticks! I think I should just take myself off to the big smoke more often and do a shop till I drop exercise once a year and give the local shops the flick. If the buggers don't support me by trying to keep their prices lower then I dunno why I think I should keep supporting them all the time. |
"len gardener" wrote in message
some otehr things to throw into the hat we drive on dirt roads modern cars aren't built to cope with, when a tree falls across our fence from the road reserv (council owned) they don't want to know about so it falls back on the land owner to remove the tree and fix the fence. Len don't dall for that one! The council IS liable if a tree falls from their land onto your land or fence. We got 2 new gates and Council did the work to repair and replace the fence and gates/gate posts when a tree growing on council land fell down diagonally on top of the two old ratty gates. The old gates ended up in a V shape and so were useless to keep stock in any more. When Himself rang Council to see if they would do anything they didn't even blink and eye but said that they'd be onto it straight away. We expected to get a letter to tell us what they'd do but when we next went out to the other farm they'd already done the repairs. |
Geodyne wrote:
The Macquarie Island quake wasn't much smaller than the Aceh one though Pete - 8.5, as compared to 8.9. The type of motion at Macquarie is very different to that of the plate boundary in Indonesia, fortunately. To expand on that for everyone's understanding, the Aceh earthquake was a result of a release where two plates are colliding, with one going below the other. Incredible forces until something gives. When it gave way, a large section of ocean floor lifted, causing the tsunami. We know the result. The Macquarie Island quake was a result of two plates moving apart, and in that case there was no uplift to cause a tsunami. Not that that earthquake wouldn't have caused massive damage if it was close to population centres. If the one in the Balleny Islands in Antarctica ever went off though - those of us in SE Oz should all brace. Brace or head for the hills??? Can you fill us in on the situation at Balleny Islands? Another point (not to scare but just for a heads up), is that the Indian Ocean tsunami was by no means a big one, as far as tsunamis go. Japan has copped some nasty ones over time, the Krakatoa one was bigger and the one in Alaska (northern pacific) in early 60's was quite a bit bigger. The bummer about larger tsunamis is that twice the size is more like an order of magnitude more powerful / destructive. Bryan |
yeh fran,
at first the straw started at around 6 bucks which i thought was a bit rich then went to around 8 and then 12 that stopped us, nothing in straw as you say only good for bedding for the chooks. we used to get spoilt lucern hay for around 2.50 out ipswich way but in brissy they wanted 6 bucks. once spoilt no good for fodder for animals. when spoilt they call it mulch hay, even sugar cane tops in smaller bails than the mulch hay got up to around 3 bucks i won't buy it at that full of chemical residues anyway . but at present we make all our own hay so no need to bring any from off site. len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
that's waht i reckon fran,
but this is what the shires employed tree cutter said, reckon i could cause a bit of a stink somehow. hasn't happened yet. snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
exactly fran,
buying a chain saw (not cheap) to collect and cut eucalypt timber with si not for the feint hearted then the saw chain needs continual sharpening unless you set up an expensive bench saw. around here through winter you had to wait up to 3 weeks for water to come they where run ragged, lots come out here and over look storage capacity for water then they put in ground water polluting septic systems that use their valuable water. they just can't help pushing that button (what a mind set hey), we have a composting loo and grey water goes to plants nothing wasted here and the material from the loo well what can i say bloody great in the gardens. yes you don't get much change from 10grand for most septics and some are dearer actually i don't think they get any change. for that 3k for a composting loo and 7k buys a lot of tanks well 4 X 5,400 gallon ones that is. anothe thing as well a fire pump is needed with a trailer and tank we can't offord one, then an emergency generator is needed if you get caught in a long blackout ice isn't readily available near by you have to save your food and you need to draw water, plus if there's a fire what do you do if you have an electric fire pump, the list goes on. and lots of this advice can't be gleened before you move to rural. so you find it very rapidly that it can be very very expensive exercise, we hope to set up an online business to help people in looking for good land and to educate them about what moving to rural realy means, it simply doesn't mean somewhere to run a couple of nags for the kids and more room for the kids to make whoopee in. and no bush spirit anymore well least ways not in qld all other folk out here are here for their own ends and they pretty much keep to themselves, some even turn phones off or down and won't answer them after about 11pm so pity help the neighbour who need urgent help hey? i sorta remember better days in rural but like the degregated land that is all gone. because of a lack of stores there is also things that you can't get when you want them. take care fran len snipped -- happy gardening 'it works for me it could work for you,' "in the end ya' gotta do what ya' gotta do" but consider others and the environment http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gardenlen1/ my e/mail addies have spam filters you should know what to delete before you send. |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
Well, for 18 years we used to cut 20 tons of hardwood every year. I read this last night but for some reason it wasn't till this morning that what you actually worte hit home. What the hell were you doing with 20 tons of hardwood each year? We get 4 ton and that is for 6 months of fires? |
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