Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Cereus question
"Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message .. . In article , Vcoerulea wrote: "Cereoid+10" wrote in message igy.com... Quite correct. However, that's not the point here. The above epiphytes have general, common requirements as do the terrestrials. If gwayner just wants help in growing the plant to blooming, that's all he needs to know. You can call the plant an SOB for all the plant cares about names. There's no reason on earth a person can't grow a plant without knowing its "real" name. The general rules I listed earlier will help him grow just about any of the species fitting the description of night blooming cereus. Just ignore "Cereoid". Most of us do. About 95% of his posts are efforts to 'prove' how superior he is by insulting other people in childish ways, like making fun of their names, while he conceals his own. Thanks for the interesting and knowledgable information about growing this group of epiphytic cacti. One thing you've left out is information on your climate, and where you grow the plants - house, greenhouse, or outdoors. I've grown Epiphyllum oxypetalum a couple of times from cuttings, but it's always gotten too big before it bloomed, so I've had to give it away. I had an Epiphyllum 'Ackermanni' for some years which bloomed spectacularly indoors in April-May every year if I put it outdoors for a few months in the summer. I finally had to give that one away too, because it was taking too much of my limited window space. I'm in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. At any rate I wonder if one reason the original poster is having trouble getting his plant to bloom is for lack of sufficient intense light. Even if it's been in the same window all this time, 20 years is enough for trees to grow big enough to obstruct light, etc. He might consider putting it outdoors in warm weather, very gradually exposing it to sunlight to prevent burning, and if he's in a very sunny climate, keeping it in partial shade all the time it's out. I put my epiphytes where they get sun from about 2pm on, and it's often cloudy or hazy here in summer. Thanks for the advice on Cereoid. I pretty much came to the same conclusion for anyone who can have a temper tantrum online when they don't get their own way. I just felt horribly guilty if I didn't offer some advice to the original poster, if indeed it was a sincere question, when I might be of help. I also can't see anyone wanting to post to this board wanting practical info if all they're going to get is ridicule from some pompas ass (forgive the name calling). My climate is considerably different from yours. I live in South Carolina where the sun is strong even in winter. I grow mostly in a greenhouse with some summering outdoors. Most stay in with cooling from evaporative cooling pads and constant fan circulation. The covering is double-wall polycarbonate which is almost as "clear as glass". We use 50% shade cloth over much of the GH year-round, and add more over various parts as the season progresses. As far as my personal collection goes, I am meticulous in documenting names, crosses, awards, etc and is probably bigger than Cereoid ever grew in his lifetime. Sounds like he only quotes book knowledge and has no practical experience himself. There are a few plants salvaged from various places that my wife or I really enjoy even though they have "no name". I know what they are but may be missing a varietal name. I feel sorry for Cereoid that he can't enjoy what's really important in life. Stop "and smell the roses". Gary |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Cereus question
What does sniffing "cabbages on a stick" have to do with succulent plants?
Man-mad flowers do not help anyone to understand the real world. It is predictable that the "idiot stepchildren" would be offended by being called so and completely miss the point. You should know your limitations and accept that "There is far more in heaven and earth than is even dreamt of in your philosophy". BTW, this is a botany newsgroup not one for pedantic "Master Gardeners" who like talking about themselves. You don't know anything about me Gary and I find you to be a bore with your generic advice. Vcoerulea wrote in message ... "Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message .. . In article , Vcoerulea wrote: "Cereoid+10" wrote in message igy.com... Quite correct. However, that's not the point here. The above epiphytes have general, common requirements as do the terrestrials. If gwayner just wants help in growing the plant to blooming, that's all he needs to know. You can call the plant an SOB for all the plant cares about names. There's no reason on earth a person can't grow a plant without knowing its "real" name. The general rules I listed earlier will help him grow just about any of the species fitting the description of night blooming cereus. Just ignore "Cereoid". Most of us do. About 95% of his posts are efforts to 'prove' how superior he is by insulting other people in childish ways, like making fun of their names, while he conceals his own. Thanks for the interesting and knowledgable information about growing this group of epiphytic cacti. One thing you've left out is information on your climate, and where you grow the plants - house, greenhouse, or outdoors. I've grown Epiphyllum oxypetalum a couple of times from cuttings, but it's always gotten too big before it bloomed, so I've had to give it away. I had an Epiphyllum 'Ackermanni' for some years which bloomed spectacularly indoors in April-May every year if I put it outdoors for a few months in the summer. I finally had to give that one away too, because it was taking too much of my limited window space. I'm in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. At any rate I wonder if one reason the original poster is having trouble getting his plant to bloom is for lack of sufficient intense light. Even if it's been in the same window all this time, 20 years is enough for trees to grow big enough to obstruct light, etc. He might consider putting it outdoors in warm weather, very gradually exposing it to sunlight to prevent burning, and if he's in a very sunny climate, keeping it in partial shade all the time it's out. I put my epiphytes where they get sun from about 2pm on, and it's often cloudy or hazy here in summer. Thanks for the advice on Cereoid. I pretty much came to the same conclusion for anyone who can have a temper tantrum online when they don't get their own way. I just felt horribly guilty if I didn't offer some advice to the original poster, if indeed it was a sincere question, when I might be of help. I also can't see anyone wanting to post to this board wanting practical info if all they're going to get is ridicule from some pompas ass (forgive the name calling). My climate is considerably different from yours. I live in South Carolina where the sun is strong even in winter. I grow mostly in a greenhouse with some summering outdoors. Most stay in with cooling from evaporative cooling pads and constant fan circulation. The covering is double-wall polycarbonate which is almost as "clear as glass". We use 50% shade cloth over much of the GH year-round, and add more over various parts as the season progresses. As far as my personal collection goes, I am meticulous in documenting names, crosses, awards, etc and is probably bigger than Cereoid ever grew in his lifetime. Sounds like he only quotes book knowledge and has no practical experience himself. There are a few plants salvaged from various places that my wife or I really enjoy even though they have "no name". I know what they are but may be missing a varietal name. I feel sorry for Cereoid that he can't enjoy what's really important in life. Stop "and smell the roses". Gary |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Cereus question
Hear that kind of clap-trap all the time and it just isn't true. There is
something sad about people who glibly say that they are stupid and are proud to be that way. Like the man said: "You can't handle the truth"! Horticulture is supposed to be applied botany but few horticulturists are willing to admit their limitations and lack of understanding of how and why things really work. Most mispronounce plant names and are intimidated by "big words". I Don't Like Spam wrote in message ... On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:58:01 GMT, "P van Rijckevorsel" wrote: It is very easy to use words such as "idiot stepchildren". Actually the relationship between horticulture and botany is one of long standing and a fairly complex one. You don't seem to handle complexity very well, do you? PvR Cereoid+10 schreef You seem to be forgetting that this is a botany newsgroup not a butt kissing newsgroup, Rinkytink. In many instances, horticulturists are the idiot stepchildren of botany. Most of what they expound is years out-of-date of botanical knowledge and often incorrect. Their grasp of plant taxonomy and nomenclature is typically nil at best. To most of them any name regardless of its validity is good enough. You should know better. If you know nothing about the subject your opinion means nothing At least people in horticultural fields will get their hands dirty and actually DO something, and try to HELP people, rather than calling names. If horticultural "knowledge" is years out of date, it is because the taxonomists and nomenclaturists keep changing their minds about classifications and names. Scientific names engraved in stone and never changing? HOGWASH! Scientific knowledge an ultimate truth? NO WAY! Both horticulture and botany are a process of refining understanding; neither is perfect, nor are their practitioners. |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Cereus question
Its only complex if you cant tell the forest from the trees, Rinkytink.
Or maybe in your case, the Forrest from the Gump!!!! (I know that pun went completely over your head. Too bad, Bubba.) P van Rijckevorsel wrote in message ... It is very easy to use words such as "idiot stepchildren". Actually the relationship between horticulture and botany is one of long standing and a fairly complex one. You don't seem to handle complexity very well, do you? PvR Cereoid+10 schreef You seem to be forgetting that this is a botany newsgroup not a butt kissing newsgroup, Rinkytink. In many instances, horticulturists are the idiot stepchildren of botany. Most of what they expound is years out-of-date of botanical knowledge and often incorrect. Their grasp of plant taxonomy and nomenclature is typically nil at best. To most of them any name regardless of its validity is good enough. You should know better. If you know nothing about the subject your opinion means nothing |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Cereus question
My goodness, god has crossed Cruciferae with Rosaceae! Maybe now we will
truely have a cabbage rose. How do you profess to know all about me and my philosophy when I can't "know anything about (you)". Horticulture is a complicated application of botany, chemistry, biology, & geology (as in medicine being the practical appllication of medical research). Too bad you never learned the art/science. It's probably just too much for you to handle. If we get back to your narrow world, what do you think about the recent reclassification scheme of dendrobium orchids? "Cereoid+10" wrote in message . com... What does sniffing "cabbages on a stick" have to do with succulent plants? Man-mad flowers do not help anyone to understand the real world. It is predictable that the "idiot stepchildren" would be offended by being called so and completely miss the point. You should know your limitations and accept that "There is far more in heaven and earth than is even dreamt of in your philosophy". BTW, this is a botany newsgroup not one for pedantic "Master Gardeners" who like talking about themselves. You don't know anything about me Gary and I find you to be a bore with your generic advice. Vcoerulea wrote in message ... "Beverly Erlebacher" wrote in message .. . In article , Vcoerulea wrote: "Cereoid+10" wrote in message igy.com... Quite correct. However, that's not the point here. The above epiphytes have general, common requirements as do the terrestrials. If gwayner just wants help in growing the plant to blooming, that's all he needs to know. You can call the plant an SOB for all the plant cares about names. There's no reason on earth a person can't grow a plant without knowing its "real" name. The general rules I listed earlier will help him grow just about any of the species fitting the description of night blooming cereus. Just ignore "Cereoid". Most of us do. About 95% of his posts are efforts to 'prove' how superior he is by insulting other people in childish ways, like making fun of their names, while he conceals his own. Thanks for the interesting and knowledgable information about growing this group of epiphytic cacti. One thing you've left out is information on your climate, and where you grow the plants - house, greenhouse, or outdoors. I've grown Epiphyllum oxypetalum a couple of times from cuttings, but it's always gotten too big before it bloomed, so I've had to give it away. I had an Epiphyllum 'Ackermanni' for some years which bloomed spectacularly indoors in April-May every year if I put it outdoors for a few months in the summer. I finally had to give that one away too, because it was taking too much of my limited window space. I'm in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. At any rate I wonder if one reason the original poster is having trouble getting his plant to bloom is for lack of sufficient intense light. Even if it's been in the same window all this time, 20 years is enough for trees to grow big enough to obstruct light, etc. He might consider putting it outdoors in warm weather, very gradually exposing it to sunlight to prevent burning, and if he's in a very sunny climate, keeping it in partial shade all the time it's out. I put my epiphytes where they get sun from about 2pm on, and it's often cloudy or hazy here in summer. Thanks for the advice on Cereoid. I pretty much came to the same conclusion for anyone who can have a temper tantrum online when they don't get their own way. I just felt horribly guilty if I didn't offer some advice to the original poster, if indeed it was a sincere question, when I might be of help. I also can't see anyone wanting to post to this board wanting practical info if all they're going to get is ridicule from some pompas ass (forgive the name calling). My climate is considerably different from yours. I live in South Carolina where the sun is strong even in winter. I grow mostly in a greenhouse with some summering outdoors. Most stay in with cooling from evaporative cooling pads and constant fan circulation. The covering is double-wall polycarbonate which is almost as "clear as glass". We use 50% shade cloth over much of the GH year-round, and add more over various parts as the season progresses. As far as my personal collection goes, I am meticulous in documenting names, crosses, awards, etc and is probably bigger than Cereoid ever grew in his lifetime. Sounds like he only quotes book knowledge and has no practical experience himself. There are a few plants salvaged from various places that my wife or I really enjoy even though they have "no name". I know what they are but may be missing a varietal name. I feel sorry for Cereoid that he can't enjoy what's really important in life. Stop "and smell the roses". Gary |
Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Forum | |||
question for Cereus | Gardening | |||
Question for Cereus | Plant Science | |||
Cereus-Validus is an offensive troll | Gardening | |||
Cereus question | Plant Science | |||
Not Cereus peruvianus | Gardening |