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Hi..

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..
Biotope
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Thanks this is a very useful explanation!

Unfortunately my English skills are very limited.

But there might possibly be subtle differences between your
and our understanding of "habitat" and biotop(e)..

The German understanding of habitat is mostly
auto_ecologically motivated (due to Carl von Linné's
understanding of habitat)..

In our understanding of habitat a habitat were able to be
composed of (or by?) several biotopes while a biotope might
provide several different habitats..! LOL

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I'll say it again. That channel cat was the most fun fish I ever had. People
would see him and say, "What was that?" He grew huge and he surely knew when
feeding time was. I would slap the water and he would stir and come around.
He liked the pelletized koi food.
I would like to try some perch. I know someone who keeps them in an aquarium
(against the law here, I think).

"Mac Cool" wrote in message
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Does anyone keep fish other than Koi or Goldfish in their pond? Anything
like sunfish or other domestics? If so, what are your general
comments/thoughts/precautions about doing so? Thanks.

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On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:25:04 CST, Marco Schwarz
wrote:

Hi..

[...biotope...]

Well "biotope" does mean as much as "habitat"..

HTH..

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.

Thanks,

Hal

Sunfish in ponds?
 

While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

Jim

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Phyllis and Jim wrote:


While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

We've probably all seen ponds overfull of carp. I don't think they can be
described so much as "habitat killers" as "habitat modifiers". They make
the environment over to match what they like. Sort of like people...
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:06 -0600, Derek Broughton wrote:

Phyllis and Jim wrote:


While - attention - goldfish, koi and sunfish are well known
to be first class biotope killers..

Habitat killers, meaning they destroy their habitat or environment?
I'm not sure I understand that either, but it's an interesting idea.


I understand how koi dig and muddy the pond. I am not sure how
goldfish and sunfish doi that. Our goldies would multiply fast, as
would sunfish. How do thoase species destroy habitats?

We've probably all seen ponds overfull of carp. I don't think they can be
described so much as "habitat killers" as "habitat modifiers". They make
the environment over to match what they like. Sort of like people...

I've seen many larger natural ponds seeming overrun with carp and golds to
the point where you could almost walk across them where the ecosystem of
the pond adjusted nicely. I wouldn't recommend carp or goldies for the
backyard pond. Koi seem to do well in that environment.

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

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What is the reason you are not recommending goldies for backyard
ponds?

We have koi, goldies and mosquito fish in a 4,000 gal system. We get
a small number of fry who are kept alive by being sucked into the berm
ponds via the filter system. Only two have ever grown up in the main
pond. The goldies are thriving, however. Huge and active.

Jim

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"Kurt" wrote in message
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I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.
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I would say it's the mosquito fish. Some goldfish fry survive in even my
small 150g ponds. Smaller than that and I seldom see any fry. Ether the
fish get them all, or the filter sucks them in.
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:41:09 CST, Kurt wrote:

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

Depending on the mosquito fish type, they are voracious on other species
fry and eggs. I had 1 mosquito fish in a kiddy pool and never saw any frog
spawn, even though there were plenty of frogs hanging around. Took out that
one fish, and all of a sudden I had frog eggs. While they were in the koi
ponds, never any koi fry either. Luckily they died off when I went to
constant slow flow in the winter. Apparently they couldn't take that slow,
but very cold water, flow at the surface. I don't miss them. ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State

Sunfish in ponds?
 

Hmmmm,

I wonder if all my mosquito fish are why I have no fry.

Jim

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~ jan wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:41:09 CST, Kurt wrote:

I've got over 20 medium and large goldfish + at least 30 mosquito fish
in my 800 gal pond. Though I've got lots of plants (dense areas to hide
for all), never have goldfish fry. Haven't ever. Someone's eating the
fry and it can only be gold or mosquitofish.

Depending on the mosquito fish type, they are voracious on other species
fry and eggs. I had 1 mosquito fish in a kiddy pool and never saw any frog
spawn, even though there were plenty of frogs hanging around. Took out that
one fish, and all of a sudden I had frog eggs. While they were in the koi
ponds, never any koi fry either. Luckily they died off when I went to
constant slow flow in the winter. Apparently they couldn't take that slow,
but very cold water, flow at the surface. I don't miss them. ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State

Makes sense to me. Actually just as well since my fish load is pretty
high right now. I originally put about 20 goldfish (pet store feeder
fish) in with my 4 large original in expecting some to not make it, but
they all did, as far as I can tell!

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