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Hi All,
I found a fish behind a plant today, and it's one of my largest Comets. It looks pretty bad. I've posted images he http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html They're really large images, so they're slow to download, but you can keep clicking on them to zoom in. I only have a 10 gallon tank that I can quarantine this fish in. Is the stress of moving it to that alone going to kill it? I've got it set up with .02% salt and good water. What should I try? I'm concerned about a salt dip because it may just be too much for it. The fish is very lethargic, but it does splash about and such when I netted it. This was one of my best fish. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Dave |
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:22:29 EDT, Pond Addict wrote:
Hi All, I found a fish behind a plant today, and it's one of my largest Comets. It looks pretty bad. I've posted images he http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html They're really large images, so they're slow to download, but you can keep clicking on them to zoom in. I only have a 10 gallon tank that I can quarantine this fish in. Is the stress of moving it to that alone going to kill it? I've got it set up with .02% salt and good water. What should I try? I'm concerned about a salt dip because it may just be too much for it. The fish is very lethargic, but it does splash about and such when I netted it. This was one of my best fish. Any help is appreciated. Dave I got a jump on this one, as Dave e-mailed me directly: I replied If moving it does kill it, it was really weak, nothing would have saved it. So yes, move it, use pond water and add the salt, a bit at a time. I can see why you want to save it, gorgeous fish. Any possibility that this is spawn damage? Have you seen chasing going on in the pond? Dave responded that it could very well be spawning, there is some foam around the waterfall, and this fish has been a favorite chasee in the past. So he's currently going with the aquarium, salt and waiting. Hopefully all this little gal needs is some rest. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I discussed this with Jan, and she thinks that it might be due to
spawn damage. This fish is the "female of choice" in the pond it would seem, and I've seen signs of the fish getting busy lately, so that could be. On Jan's advice I'm going to bring the fish into the inside tank containing just pond water and raise the salt .05% per day until it reaches to .3%. Since I first posted, the fish has been swimming around the pond, which is encouraging. Unfortunately that makes it pretty tough to catch! I've also noticed it's interested in eating, so maybe it's not so far gone after all. Thanks, Dave |
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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:14:45 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: Since I first posted, the fish has been swimming around the pond, which is encouraging. Unfortunately that makes it pretty tough to catch! I've also noticed it's interested in eating, so maybe it's not so far gone after all. Dave How's the fish today? ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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How's the fish today? ~ jan
Unfortunately, it's evasive. I tried to catch it various times yesterday--even trying to lure it with food, but it was too clever for me or my net was too slow. I tried again last night and actually got in the pond with enough outside light on to see it swimming around and I almost got it once. That one miss was enough for it to learn to stay in the center of the pond the rest of the time I was out there. I eventually figured that since I was going to be out cleaning up the pond today that I'd try to get it today instead. My fish tend to be leery of things on the shore but if you get in the water with them, they come right up. Some kind of misguided feeling of security or overwhelming curiosity I guess. That fish really swam around quite a bit after I removed it from behind the plant yesterday. I wonder if it had somehow become stuck back there and some of its damage had come about as a result of that. Today, I was out there at noon and not one fish was to be seen. It was a heavily overcast day, and I think that had a lot to do with it. By 2:00 they started appearing and they were everywhere by 3:00. However, I didn't see that particular fish. I'd be more concerned about that if all of the other fish hadn't gotten such a late start on the day. I have a feeling it was down under the big rock resting, rather than dead somewhere because it was actually behaving pretty well yesterday afternoon and last night. The part of the pond that contains the fish is about 20' x 25' with a 6' drop in the middle, so it's tough to catch them unless they're really doing badly or they venture into the shallow water (which is about a 2' edge around it). And for better or worse, they have some good hiding spots. Anyway, I'll let you know once I know more, but so far that one's being evasive. Oh, and from what I saw last night, the fish are definitely mating. Dave |
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Having said that... I just saw it. It's swimming around much more
energetically now. I'm wondering if I should just let it recover out there and keep an eye on it, not that it's giving me much choice at the moment. |
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Pond Addict wrote: How's the fish today? ~ jan Unfortunately, it's evasive. I tried to catch it various times yesterday--even trying to lure it with food, but it was too clever for me or my net was too slow. I tried again last night and actually got in the pond with enough outside light on to see it swimming around and I almost got it once. That one miss was enough for it to learn to stay in the center of the pond the rest of the time I was out there. I eventually figured that since I was going to be out cleaning up the pond today that I'd try to get it today instead. My fish tend to be leery of things on the shore but if you get in the water with them, they come right up. Some kind of misguided feeling of security or overwhelming curiosity I guess. That fish really swam around quite a bit after I removed it from behind the plant yesterday. I wonder if it had somehow become stuck back there and some of its damage had come about as a result of that. Today, I was out there at noon and not one fish was to be seen. It was a heavily overcast day, and I think that had a lot to do with it. By 2:00 they started appearing and they were everywhere by 3:00. However, I didn't see that particular fish. I'd be more concerned about that if all of the other fish hadn't gotten such a late start on the day. I have a feeling it was down under the big rock resting, rather than dead somewhere because it was actually behaving pretty well yesterday afternoon and last night. The part of the pond that contains the fish is about 20' x 25' with a 6' drop in the middle, so it's tough to catch them unless they're really doing badly or they venture into the shallow water (which is about a 2' edge around it). And for better or worse, they have some good hiding spots. Anyway, I'll let you know once I know more, but so far that one's being evasive. Oh, and from what I saw last night, the fish are definitely mating. Dave A great way to catch fish in this large an area is to use bird netting. Anchor one side to the side of your pond. Drape the netting across and weight the middle with small rocks. When you see them over the netting, raise it as quickly as possible. Helps to have two people. San Diego Joe 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons. Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo. |
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How's the fish today? ~ jan
Unfortunately, it's evasive. Dave Almost sounds like leaving it alone will be okay. The aquarium would give it the rest it needs, but it sounds like it has perked up on its own. I hope it continues to improve. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Another day, another decision. I watched it a bit today and it looks
both better and worse. For better, the left side of the fish doesn't seem to show trauma any more. The other side looks worse, but it's almost like how a bruise looks worse a day or two later before it starts looking better. Not sure if that's good or bad. I also noticed that the eye that was a glazed isn't glazed as much anymore but there's a little bit of blood in the area surrounding the eye (maybe 1 cm going from 5 o'clock - 6 o'clock). I'm not sure what that means. There's also a visible trauma spot on the gill behind the right eye. If you look at the original right side photo and zoom in, you can see the start of that. Does that damage look indicative of anything in particular? There's a small crack in the gill cover, so I'm thinking (hoping) that maybe it was caused by external force rather than something beneath the surface. I've decided to bring the fish inside. I very nearly had it today but I didn't have the inside tank ready, so I missed the chance. I'll try once more tonight, but I'm not hopeful. I think I can get it tomorrow though. Also, my microscope came, so if I do manage to catch this fish, I'll take some scrapings from it and see what shows up. Dave |
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getting stuck is VERY VERY stressful for a fish. once it is loose tho, they do
recover pretty fast as long as the water is clean. getting their slime coat back on after it is rubbed off is priority. the longer they were trapped, the longer time for cooties to get to the skin inside the slime coat and more damage. it is typical of spawning that fish get trapped by objects in the pond. they also can end up jumping INTO plants and may not be able to get back out of the pot easily. Ingrid On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:53:19 EDT, Pond Addict wrote: That fish really swam around quite a bit after I removed it from behind the plant yesterday. I wonder if it had somehow become stuck back there and some of its damage had come about as a result of that. |
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I have seen the kind of bruising you are talking about on spawning koi. It happens.
LEAVE IT ALONE. as long as you have a bit of salt in the water it will do better outside than in. If you bring it in you will have to do a clean up as the parasites will explode in the warmer water of the aquarium and http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/c...m%20the%20pond frankly, the aquarium is not as clean as the pond water after a couple days. In my experience the only good hospital tank is a 100 gallon rubbermaid stock tank with a heavy duty gravity filter and webbing over the top to keep the fish in. What you might need is an "in the pond" netted area for isolation of spawn damaged fish to give them a break from being battered. Ingrid On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:06:01 EDT, Pond Addict wrote: The other side looks worse, but it's almost like how a bruise looks worse a day or two later before it starts looking better. Not sure if that's good or bad. I also noticed that the eye that was a glazed isn't glazed as much anymore but there's a little bit of blood in the area surrounding the eye (maybe 1 cm going from 5 o'clock - 6 o'clock). I'm not sure what that means. There's also a visible trauma spot on the gill behind the right eye. If you look at the original right side photo and zoom in, you can see the start of that. Does that damage look indicative of anything in particular? There's a small crack in the gill cover, so I'm thinking (hoping) that maybe it was caused by external force rather than something beneath the surface. I've decided to bring the fish inside. I very nearly had it today but I didn't have the inside tank ready, so I missed the chance. I'll try once more tonight, but I'm not hopeful. I think I can get it tomorrow though. Also, my microscope came, so if I do manage to catch this fish, I'll take some scrapings from it and see what shows up. Dave |
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Ok, I'll leave it out there for now. Although I didn't manage to get
it last night, I did see it being pursued very aggressively. I think it's continuing to get beaten up every night. I started the bead filter and UV yesterday. Even though the water chemistry is good, I'm pretty sure there's "something bad" living in the water. I'll take some scrapings today to see if I can figure out what needs to be treated. If I can't see find anything to treat, I'm thinking of bringing the salt up to .2% to aid with stress and healing. Good idea? Unnecessary? Thanks for the input. Dave |
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I took scrapings from 3 fish, but didn't see anything that even
closely resembled flukes or any other parasite activity I've read about. The mucus all looked normal and there wasn't a lot of activity on the slides. I did see this thing: http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum2.html I'm not sure what it is. I saw a few of those. Are they just worms? Also, is there a good source (book or online) for deciphering what I'm looking at under the microscope? I'd like to learn more about what I'm seeing. The injured fish is still swimming around, but has started resting (right side up) with its fins against the bottom of the pond. It looks worn out, but it's still eating and still swimming. It's just taking more breaks. Dave |
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I believe that what you are looking at in the scope is just a string of
algae. They will show up in the slime quite frequently. If it doesn't move, don't worry about it. -- RichToyBox http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html Zone 7A/B Virginia "Pond Addict" wrote in message ... I took scrapings from 3 fish, but didn't see anything that even closely resembled flukes or any other parasite activity I've read about. The mucus all looked normal and there wasn't a lot of activity on the slides. I did see this thing: http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum2.html I'm not sure what it is. I saw a few of those. Are they just worms? Also, is there a good source (book or online) for deciphering what I'm looking at under the microscope? I'd like to learn more about what I'm seeing. The injured fish is still swimming around, but has started resting (right side up) with its fins against the bottom of the pond. It looks worn out, but it's still eating and still swimming. It's just taking more breaks. Dave |
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:59:43 EDT, "RichToyBox"
wrote: I believe that what you are looking at in the scope is just a string of algae. They will show up in the slime quite frequently. If it doesn't move, don't worry about it. Movement is key, I don't find anything unless it is moving... ;-) Some interesting websites I ran into while googling for parasite pictures: http://badmanstropicalfish.com/disease.html http://www.akca.org/library/diease4.htm http://www.microscopy-uk.org.uk/inde...tro/index.html This looks like a great source, found the 2 above from it, unfortunately a lot of the links are broken, but worth further clicking if one is interested: http://www.koitime.com/Content/microscopy.htm ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I posted a new picture of the damaged fish:
http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html The left side of the fish now appears to have healed. The blood by the right eye is also gone, and the damaged area on the right gill looks much better. The upper-right-center area continues to show a lot of damage. Looking at the old and new pictures, does that area appear to be healing OK on its own? The fish is active again today. Thanks for the feedback on my microscope observations & the links. Dave |
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I bumped the salt up to .2%. I'm concerned about a bacterial infection
or parasites camping out in the remaining area that's visible in the latest picture. It looks like the fish may be down to the flesh there... Even if I'm going to leave the fish in the pond, should I maybe take it out and dip it? If so, how long and what strength? Dave |
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On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:43:30 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: I bumped the salt up to .2%. I'm concerned about a bacterial infection or parasites camping out in the remaining area that's visible in the latest picture. It looks like the fish may be down to the flesh there... Even if I'm going to leave the fish in the pond, should I maybe take it out and dip it? If so, how long and what strength? Dave Don't dip. Area appears to be healing, you do not want to strip the scab off. If it changes, looks worst, post another picture. My biggest concern would be the males damaging that same spot again, as it is in a tender state at the moment. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Ok, I'll leave it be. It just looks so bad. The fish is eating more
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I'm posting new images. The brown area has spread and there appears to
be loose skin around it. It looks worse to me. http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html The 4/14/08 images are the new ones. You can zoom in on them, although they were taken late in the day and are a bit grainy. The fish is continuing to eat well and is no longer lethargic. Some Medicarp arrived at the end of the day today and I started feeding it that. Dave |
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Hi Dave,
I'm still thinking the fish is healing.... but I've posted your website at the KHA bulletin board and will let you know what the more experience people say, if any intervention is necessary. ~ jan On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:03:40 EDT, Pond Addict wrote: I'm posting new images. The brown area has spread and there appears to be loose skin around it. It looks worse to me. http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html The 4/14/08 images are the new ones. You can zoom in on them, although they were taken late in the day and are a bit grainy. The fish is continuing to eat well and is no longer lethargic. Some Medicarp arrived at the end of the day today and I started feeding it that. Dave ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I'm still thinking the fish is healing.... but I've posted your website at
the KHA bulletin board and will let you know what the more experience people say, if any intervention is necessary. ~ jan Thanks for doing that. It does seem to be *acting* healthy. If it didn't have that painful looking wound, I'd think there was nothing wrong with it. Maybe the loose "skin" I see is just damaged tissue that's being replaced. I'm not sure. |
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it could be loose slime coat too, altho skin sloughing is possible. Ingrid
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:30:37 EDT, Pond Addict wrote: I'm still thinking the fish is healing.... but I've posted your website at the KHA bulletin board and will let you know what the more experience people say, if any intervention is necessary. ~ jan Thanks for doing that. It does seem to be *acting* healthy. If it didn't have that painful looking wound, I'd think there was nothing wrong with it. Maybe the loose "skin" I see is just damaged tissue that's being replaced. I'm not sure. |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:30:37 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: I'm still thinking the fish is healing.... but I've posted your website at the KHA bulletin board and will let you know what the more experience people say, if any intervention is necessary. ~ jan Thanks for doing that. It does seem to be *acting* healthy. If it didn't have that painful looking wound, I'd think there was nothing wrong with it. Maybe the loose "skin" I see is just damaged tissue that's being replaced. I'm not sure. One very experienced KHA has replied so far, he says it could be healing. His only suggestion would be to pull any loose scales and use iodine... but you could be okay to just wait. If the fish has an infection you should see veining in the fins, and even throughout the body, in 2-3 days. I'm thinking as long as this has gone on, you may already be pass the 2 day limit. So hanging in there may be best for the fish in the long run. Do keep salt in the water as any open sore like that makes the kidneys work very hard, salt helps. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I noticed a definite change today. It looks like there's a split in
that bad area, but I'm having trouble getting a good look, or a picture of it. I'll post one as soon as I have it. I checked and the salt is at .28% which is a little higher than I'd planned, but just as well. Dave |
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Ok, the picture is up there now:
http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html The 4/17/08 images are new. It's actually only one image, followed by a close-up of the damaged area from that image. It was really hard to get *any* pictures of this fish today, thus the poor quality. Observations: The wounded area is lighter than it has been and has rips in what was previously the "loose skin." Pink "flesh" is visible past the rips. Also, some algae has transferred to the area that's tearing off. The fish still behaves normally. Thanks, Dave |
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:04:07 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: Ok, the picture is up there now: http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html The 4/17/08 images are new. It's actually only one image, followed by a close-up of the damaged area from that image. It was really hard to get *any* pictures of this fish today, thus the poor quality. Observations: The wounded area is lighter than it has been and has rips in what was previously the "loose skin." Pink "flesh" is visible past the rips. Also, some algae has transferred to the area that's tearing off. The fish still behaves normally. Thanks, Dave It looks like the area has been re-injured. I'm thinking you're going to have to catch this fish, do a salt dip, put it in aquarium with salt at 0.3% and order some Tricide-Neo. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:11:27 EDT, ~ jan wrote:
Dave, have you been able to catch fish? I've gotten more answers and most agree that what the fish has over the wound now is bad stuff and needs to be removed. They suggest scrubbing the wound with Malachite Green or at least hydrogen peroxide. Then sealing the wound with denture adhesive, or there is a product out there called Bio Bandage for fish. Do bring fish in, salt 0.3%, warm up to 78F after salt dip. Do you have info for salt dip? ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Thanks for the info, Jan.
I was away, so I haven't caught the fish yet. But, the Tricide-Neo arrived today. Should I still use that and if so, is that in place of the salt dip? I have the .3% water ready for the fish... when I catch it. My salt dip info in my Koi Health & Disease book says 50 Tablespoons to 5 Gal. for a max 7-10 min unless the fish is stressing/flipping over, then move to quarantine, and repeat every 12 hours for 3 dips total. Is that what you were thinking? I'm hoping to catch the fish today using the "bird netting" method Joe mentioned. I think that's the only way I'll ever get it. The algae on the wound is gone, and the area is a lighter orange now. The fish is still eating and active. |
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:26:29 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: I was away, so I haven't caught the fish yet. But, the Tricide-Neo arrived today. Should I still use that and if so, is that in place of the salt dip? Salt dip first, put in aquarium, let it rest a bit. Then clean wound with H2O2 and use the Tricide-Neo following the directions. You'll need DI water. I found it easier to make the gallon amount, and have DI water on hand to rinse fish before and after. My salt dip info in my Koi Health & Disease book says 50 Tablespoons to 5 Gal. for a max 7-10 min unless the fish is stressing/flipping over, then move to quarantine, and repeat every 12 hours for 3 dips total. Is that what you were thinking? 3% is the amount you're shooting for, usually 5 minutes max. 1 time, to get any parasites off the fish. Just went back and look for new info. Recommendation is to scrub the wound with a salt paste and then rinse with saline. That's if what it has is a fungus growing on the wound. IMhO, you still need to salt dip, clean wound, and use the Tricide-Neo. I'm betting that will do the trick, especially since fish is acting so healthy otherwise. Keep me posted. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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I'm worried about putting denture adhesive on the fish... I'm not sure
if what I got is the right stuff or not and it just seems like a really foreign substance. Given my experience of killing the fish by doing too much, that part makes me nervous. We only have chain pet stores which are poorly stocked for fish first aid, so I ordered some bio bandage and malachite green for at least next time, if not this time. I came very close to catching it yesterday, but my bird netting was a bit too short and the daylight ran out. I got a larger roll of bird netting and I'm sure I'll get it today. Once I catch it, I'll take some better pictures and make some slides prior to dipping. What is DI water? Thanks, Dave |
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I got it in. It looks really bad. That eye is glazed over again.
I checked under the microscope for bad things, and didn't see any with slides made from the wound area, as well as normal swipes. I gave it a salt dip but had to pull it out at 4 minutes. It was on its side and shocky with its mouth stuck open. I put it in the aquarium and after maybe 5 or 10 minutes it came around. It's now swimming, but clearly annoyed at being confined. Man, that wound is a bloody-looking mess. http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html See the 4/22/08 image. I put a large one up there since I finally got a good view of things. The other side of the fish looks good. Dave |
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This was an E-mail reply to Dave, but in case other were interested in what
I was suggesting: I got the fish in. I've taken a picture and posted it at the usual place: http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html See the last picture. Oh yes, that definitely needs to be scrubbed. Your choice if it is salt paste or H2O2. I've always used H2O2 myself. Course don't get it in the gills. at .36%. Is that ok? Yes, that's fine. How do I clean the area with the hydrogen peroxide? Do I want to remove the loose stuff, or just swab the wound gently? Have paper towels and Q-tips on hand. In a circular motion scrub the area, go under and remove any loose scales around the edges. Rinse, dab dry, and put in the Tricide Neo. This is all easier to do if you put the fish to sleep with Finquel, but if you haven't had a class in using it, I'm hesitant to suggest it. But if you want to try, I'll try to talk you thru using it. As far as the Tricide-Neo, put solution in a bag, then fish, and hold bag up so fish is immersed. In reality it isn't as bad as it seems. Or you could scrub, iodine, antibiotic-type ointment and denture adhesive powder (sorry, it wasn't till later I saw that it was the powdered form that is suggested not the other version) and wait 3 days while the fish is fasting so it doesn't mess up the Tricide-Neo, but we could also lose precious time if we wait. If you choose the above, you won't scrub it again prior to the Tricide-Neo dipping. And DI water is just distilled water? Yes. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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Thanks for the info. I put in a few pieces of medi-carp when I put the
fish in the tank, and I only see one now, so it looks like the fish is eating again. I'm going to take that as a sign that it's relaxed enough for the next step. I'll do the hydrogen peroxide and Tricide- Neo. I have Finquel here, but I'm concerned that I won't notice if the fish is in distress if I sedate it, so for this dip I'll keep it alert. Given the reaction it had to the salt dip, I think that might be best. I'm a little confused about the last part about fasting. Am I supposed to stop feeding the fish while I'm treating it? Thanks, Dave |
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Whew. Ok, I've cleaned and dipped the fish. We both survived, although
I think it was more stressful for me. Photos at the usual place: http://homepage.mac.com/pondstuff/PhotoAlbum1.html I also included a left side shot that shows how much better the fish is on that side. Looking at the post-salt-dip shot and the latest right side shot, it looks like the wound got pretty cleaned up by the hydrogen peroxide. There wasn't a lot of loose matter to remove. I'm noticing more blood in the fins now. I'm not sure if that happened before or during the Tricide-Neo dip. The fish didn't seem to mind the dip at all. The fish is active and PO'd at me. I'm bringing the tank temp up to 78 F. Dave |
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Well, morning came and the fish is still alive! It's swimming around
quite actively and looks pretty good. I still see blood in the tail and fins. Most notably in the tail. The water in the tank is a little cloudy this morning. I'm not sure if that's a reaction from raising the temperature or if it's being caused by the food from yesterday, but I'll do a partial water change in a bit. |
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red in the fins is both stress and bad water. Use the tub to tub method
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/d...htm#TUB_TO_TUB this will move the fish away from bacteria and wastes in the water. Make sure there is a bit of salt in the water to help heal and help osmotic pressure. Just to be on the safe side, do the peroxide dip to make SURE to get rid of gyros and dacs. http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/d...m#peroxide_dip 10, 10, 10 I REPEAT 10 SECONDS ONLY you CAN use mercurochrome on a swab on the wound. also, make sure the "tub" or whatever is netted on the top so that fish doesnt jump. Ingrid On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:58:42 EDT, Pond Addict wrote: Well, morning came and the fish is still alive! It's swimming around quite actively and looks pretty good. I still see blood in the tail and fins. Most notably in the tail. The water in the tank is a little cloudy this morning. I'm not sure if that's a reaction from raising the temperature or if it's being caused by the food from yesterday, but I'll do a partial water change in a bit. |
URGENT - Another sick fish
Are the blood streaks I'm noticing in the fins and tail most likely
caused by septicemia or some other bacterial infection? If so, do I need to do something more than a Tricide-Neo dip for that? My understanding is that T-N doesn't help with systemic bacterial infections. Or, can stress also cause a fish to bleed like that? I'm dipping for the second day in a couple of hours. Today the fish seems less mad at me and quite relaxed. It's active and the wound area looks less raw. It's more "faded" red than "I'm going to bleed all over you" red. I think the eye might be a little better too. There's like a growth, almost like a bump of skin, on the outside of it in the center. Maybe a bacterial infection? The eye seems to be working fine otherwise. Slime coat is good, and has been from the beginning. My biggest concern right now is the blood streaks I'm seeing in the extremities. I'm hoping that the fish isn't failing internally while I'm treating its external issues. Water is at 78 degrees, .34% salt. By the way, I never mentioned how I caught the fish. I used lawn stakes to anchor one end of the bird netting along the shore, then sunk it across the pond with small stones and waited for the fish to cross over so I could scoop it up. I spent maybe 2 hours setting all this up and was patiently waiting and admiring my foolproof trap when the fish got spooked by me and went into the same corner where I originally rescued it. In the end, I caught it with a hand net. Figures. Dave |
URGENT - Another sick fish
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:47:15 EDT, Pond Addict
wrote: Are the blood streaks I'm noticing in the fins and tail most likely caused by septicemia or some other bacterial infection? Imo, it is just stress from the Tricide-Neo. I've seen fish bleed from the gills due to the stress. I wouldn't do anything more than you have since you scraped & scoped the fish and didn't see anything on the slide. The main thing is watch the water quality in the sick tank. What I'm reading so far is it sounds like the fish is responding well to the Tricide Neo. ~ jan ------------ Zone 7a, SE Washington State Ponds: www.jjspond.us |
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